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#50@Pudge: No need to be a prick.
#46@Richard Wade: Peavy may feel that they were just going through the motions with no true intention of signing them. They may have done it simply to keep fans such as yourself, content.
Then again, maybe Didi is right and Peavy is a moron. Maybe he has a Philip Rivers streak in him and will be arguing with fans in another month or two.
Also, if the problem with the offense is Khalil and the catchers, then why is the team last or close to last in nearly every offensive category. Two players are not solely responsible for that much weakness.
50: Cameron wanted more than the one year deal offered as I remember it.
49: Thanks, Richard. My point is that Peavy basically threw his teammates under the bus with his offensive comment.
BTW, I’m liking this lineup. It’s different and Hairston actually starts against a lefty pitcher.
People, please keep the name calling to a minimum.
Disagreement is fine but no need to disrespect the other posters.
You wonder if the Padres would be better off trading Peavy. Unless he learns how to relax, I fear that he’ll never be a “clutch” pitcher. It certainly seems that he gets too excited and overthrows everything in big games. As it stands right now, the Padres are never going to go very far in the playoffs as long as Peavy is their perceived ace. In a 7 game series, they have to win 4 of the 5 games he doesn’t start. In a shorter series, they have to win every game he doesn’t start. Unfortunately they haven’t been good enough the past 4 years to overcome his postseason failures.
Ok I went to the cowboyjoewest.com site as suggested by Matt–very bored. You can buy his CD (7 tracks) for 12.99 or buy ALL 7 tracks individually for only $8. If I had this kind of marketing plan I would have a short fuse too!
#55@Schlom: Jake is a dominant pitcher in his prime, with a favorable contract. Should the Padres chose to move him, they would get some serious talent in return.
After top of 6th …
Pitches-strikes – A Miller 92-55; R Wolf 90-61.
Ground balls-fly balls – A Miller 7-3; R Wolf 5-7.
Batters faced – A Miller 25; R Wolf 21.
… time to PH for Wolf here? This one’s a tough call given how well Wolf is pitching and how unpredictable the bully is ,,,
I have to say the filter that GY uses is very odd. Crap doesn’t work, nor can you say the name of my favorite pitching coach, Dick Pole or my favorite NASCAR driver Dick Trickle. Yet prick seems to be OK. I wonder if poo works?
#56@David V: That’s pretty funny.
We need more power Scotty.
#53 what player does’nt want more than 1 year. and how did that work out with Edmunds. If all we are going to sign is desperate players who will take one year then we will surely be in this same spot again and again.
Hairston with a nice 2.062 OPS in July. 9 hits in 16 at-bats with 4 HR and 7 RBI.
#59@Schlom: That is too funny!
52: Looking at the roster in the beginning of the season, did you expect the offense to be this bad? The big question mark I had was CF and 4th-5th starter.
I thought LF was going to improve from last year (getting there), RF was going to be just fine (and it is), 1B, SS, 3B would regress a little (and SS by a lot now, 1B is great & 3B is improving), 2B was going to be better (and it is), catching to be about average (and it’s not). CF so far is average after the disaster that was Edmonds.
The problem still is the back end starters and the bullpen mostly. Yes, no game can be won without scoring runs and the Padres have been poor this year. But can you really say the FO was not planning to upgrade the offense (after all they did try to get Fukudome as well). Their biggest failure is in not having a backup plan in case Edmonds didn’t work out and how they dealt with his missing Spring Training.
Our back-end starters are just not very good (Banks may or may not change that).
#65@Didi: Jody Gerut has actually been a pretty good back-up plan in center. The error seems to have been waiting so long to go to the back-up plan.
62: How is it working out for the Dodgers with Andruw Jones? The Padres offered him a one year deal as well and I’m glad that he turned it down. One cannot be deviating from a plan especially when the budget is limited. Look how Edmonds worked is right. That was a waste of resources in the end (prospect and money and he’s playing well for another team).
Check how Cameron is doing in Milwaukee. Had he been playing for the Padres, we would be complaining, too. As a matter of fact, we were complaining about his performance last season especially after his slow April-May start.
Well Gregg to the Cubs is probably out now. I wonder just how much of a market there is for our sledge.
66: Agreed. They should have let Edmonds rehab more in the beginning of the season and see how Gerut was handling the job since he did have a good Spring Training as opposed to none for Edmonds.
68: Depends on whether the Cardinals want to get into the fray or not in the NL Central. Or the Phillies in the NL East. I wouldn’t count out the Braves nor the Mets yet. Pedro Martinez looks done last time I checked.
Man, are you guys believing this? We’ve got no problem piling on teams, but cant get a tying run, stranding runners on third with 1 or 0 outs the end of the ballgame last night.
I think Peavy’s “personality disorder” is just the tip of the psychological issues we’re facing in ’08. (bi-polar, multiple personality disorder, trandference, etc.)
That said, I’m loving the last 20 min. Reminds me of what it feels like to enjoy baseball. You gotta suffer the lows to enjoy/recognize the highs. Go baseball!
#65@Didi: The high strikeout low OBP of Kouz and Khalil has bothered me for quite some time. They both seem like vulnerable hitters who are a gamble. Scott Hairston and PMac in LF bothered me since March. I remember thinking that Maddux at 42 might be finished. I didnt expect Hoffman to continue to decline so much. I was very critical of the Edmonds trade.
On a funny note, I remember taking heat from others for being so negative because I thought the team would win about 76-78 games this year. In retrospect, I was extremely optimistic.
59: that ‘s a hoot.
WOW, Maddux could have used 3 runs last night to win his 351st. Man, that’s rough.
Yes to offensive explosion.
70 I was thinking the same thing with the Phillies. Down the stretch I would much rather have Maddux then Eaton in the rotation. To say nothing of Meyer. Ditto on Pedro, that 4th year the soxs balked on lookes pretty smart.
The Wolf put on a nice show for all the scouts, tonight.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with one year deals, especially for pitchers. Obviously it’s going to be harder to get offensive players that do well on one year deals because they are more stable.
In fact, if I were the Padres front office, I’d try to sign at least two starters every season to one year deals. If they do well (and pitching half their games in Petco Park is going to really help them out) they can let them walk and get a draft pick for them. Or if the Padres do poorly, they can trade them for prospects (which is pretty much the same thing). To me, it’s a win-win situation because it’s hard to get burned on an one year deal plus the pitchers value could be perceived as higher then it really is.
It’s obviously going to be much harder to find offense players, especially as Petco will effect them negatively so much.
67: Cameron’s average and on-base percentage may be down, but his power numbers are very good. Since June 1 his OBP has gone up as well, and he has slugged a very impressive .532. His current OPS surpasses what Gerut has done this season and also what Cam did last season as well. His 14 homers would be second on this team, and that’s after missing nearly all of April. His power numbers surely would be a bit lower playing in Petco Park, but I think the speed and defense that Cam brought to this team would be welcomed with open arms.
72: That’s about the number of wins I thought the Padres was going to get, too. I didn’t think the team out of Spring Training was capable of winning more than 83 games. Looks like both of us were optimistic.
I remember there were quite a few here that were critical of the Edmonds trade. I was counting more on the other gamble (Gerut) to work out. Still it was two too many gambles. No one thought Greene was going to tank like this. I was a proponent of PMac and still am but he’s never going to get 400 AB with the Padres now that he’s sent down. I can see that his defense is average at best. Let’s hope Chase’s defense improves as the season goes on.
BTW, the Padres batted around twice tonight. Wow. When was the last time that happened?
Andrew Miller did OK after the first inning. Didn’t he throw 40 pitches there? He wound up with only 92 after 5IP which means he only threw 52 in the next 4 frames. A bit disturbing were it not for the piling-on runs.
Go, Myrow, go. I’m glad to see this. He’s been destroying AAA for the last 2 seasons.
I came in a little late to the discussion in the earlier thread, but I saw a little sentiment that competing in 2009 is the way to go. I want to compete as much as anyone, but at what cost? Is building a team capable of winning 86 games next year and the years after favorable than taking some risks, but perpetually having a team capable of winning 96 in 2011? I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to be the team that wins the bad division every year and hopes for the best in the playoffs. I want to be the team that everyone else in the NL is gunning for, the team others are trying to catch. Maybe this isn’t feasible for the San Diego Padres with the way MLB is structured, but I would at least try.
Also this is obviously one game, but I’d expect Portland to be a bit closer than 8 games out with the performance they’ve put on tonight.
Our offensive problems are solved !
Hats off to Brian Myrow, who probably should have hit his first ML homer ages ago.
#81@parlo: Careful there, don’t jinx it.
#78@Didi: Unless you have a lot of prospects or can spend a lot of free agents, gambling is the only way to go. And it can certainly work, look at the Cardinals, except for Pujols (obviously a huge start), Glaus, and Ankiel, the entire lineup is retreads. Their pitching staff only has 4 non-retreads, Wainwright, McClellan, Isringhausen and Lohse (although he could be considered a retread). It worked out pretty well for them (although I guess it’s probably a lot easier to fill out your offense when you have Albert Pujols in the middle of it).
77: That’s good for Cameron. I’m happy for him. He’s a good CF and seems to always enjoy playing to me. Five of those HRs was in Houston bandbox, btw. Not saying he wouldn’t have hit them, just that his opportunity to play in that park would have been fewer has he signed here.
And Jody Gerut is no slouch in CF so far, his HR-mishap notwithstanding.
If I was Edgar, Adrian, Hairston, Kouzmanoff or Headley, I would talk to Jake after the game and say: “Enough runs for you?”
Then: “We’ll try to get one or two the next time you pitch.”
But they probably won’t do that, because they are not bafoons like Peavy.
#86@Kevin: Good point, ’nuff said.
#80@Bryan: Yeah, unfortunately, the D-back get to play a series against Columbus.
Did anyone else catch the Hoffman video they showed?
84: Yeah, I don’t know how the Cardinals do it every season. Must be something in the water around there. I keep thinking they’d fall off and they would surprise me … again.
Looking at the move that was done today, it seems to me that the Padres have decided to get all the AAA players some auditions. I’d much rather see what we have and who can play/contribute than keep throwing out Tony Clark to PH.
On one hand, it sucks that both catchers are out (not that they were doing much), on the other hand, we get to see if Hundley is the real deal and if Carlin can be a capable platoon/backup. Nice to see if Ambres and Myrow can play at this level.
I’m liking the Brewers blueprint. Their cashing out on the prospects to get a talented rent-a-player for WS push is one thing that I hope the Padres can do in the future.
#89@Kevin: You mean Trevor W Hoffman???
89: What video?
Hairston: four home runs in last 12 at-bats.
93: Yeah, he’s mad that Harry wasn’t playing him more in June.
BTW: how did Thatcher look?
#37@Oside Jon: Heck of a game tonite. Too bad TD had to pass out early, he woulda loved that one, hope all is well on his end.
#91@130tom330: Yeah, that was cool.
#90@Didi: We ought to be able to get something for Clark and his .385 OBP, right?
#50@Pudge:
Do we really miss Cameron. Is he out of his slump?
Cameron: 225/.308/.485
Gerut: .277/.346/.393