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August 19, 2008 at 9:28 am
As reported by Field39 in last night’s comments, yesterday’s Eugene Emeralds and AZL Padres games were noteworthy for James Darnell’s debut Eugene and Mat Latos was dynamite in a five-inning stint and Logan Forsythe returned.
As reported at MadFriars …
James Darnell debuted with a two-out single in his first at-bat as an Emerald and came around to score. Batting third and playing the hot corner, Darnell went 2-for-4 with a walk. A second-round pick in this year’s draft, Darnell hit .306 with 19 HR and 81 RBIs for South Carolina. His RBI total is the fourth highest in a single-season by a Gamecock player. He started all 63 games this year at third base for the Gamecocks. Darnell also led the conference in RBI in SEC games with 40 RBI in 30 conference contests.
Mat Latos would have pitched to the minimum over five innings but a pair of errors led to two base runners. He did not allow a hit or a walk over five scoreless frames, striking out nine. Latos struck out the side around an error in the second and fanned the side in the fifth. It was his highest strikeout total since whiffing 10 on August 29, 2007 while with Eugene. Latos has struck out 17 over his last nine innings, as Monday was his longest start since May 18.
Logan Forsythe was back in action after suffering a broken thumb diving into first base in his third professional game with Eugene. After striking out in his first at-bat, he drew a walk and in the sixth as the first of three straight batters to get hit by a pitch. Forsythe, drafted 46th overall by the Padres, completed his junior season second on the Razorbacks in batting average at .351 after leading the squad as a sophomore. For the second straight season he led Arkansas in hits (65 in 2008) and drew 46 walks while fanning 26 times. He also added eight doubles and seven homers while stealing 11 bags in 14 attempts.
… that’s 3 guys who are still a ways away from San Diego … but seem more likely than the typical players at the lower levels to reach the big club … exciting.
August 19, 2008 at 9:54 am
#1@LynchMob: I know it’s just the AZL, but that is exactly the reason why everyone is so high on Latos. To be able to pitch five nearly-perfect innings and strike out nine of the 15 outs in any league is pretty impressive.
The other guy to watch out for is Fort Wayne’s Jeremy McBryde, who now has 20 BB’s and 135 K’s in 121.2 IP. Gotta love those peripherals, which are probably the best in the organization this season. Check out what he’s done in his last six starts: 4-1, 2.25 ERA, 36 IP, 26 H, 5 BB, 45 K. After talk that he could get yanked from the rotation a few months ago for not using his changeup enough, he’s really been dominant. I’m guessing he’s using his changeup more.
August 19, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Maybe I’m behind on this, but Maddux to the Dodgers. Its a yard sale for the divorce, right. At least that makes sense, kinda. Can somebody es plain?
August 19, 2008 at 1:26 pm
What’s up with CY? Any truth to rumors he might be shut down?
August 19, 2008 at 1:33 pm
If this was already talked about, I apologize.
My take on this article; it would seem that Moores (John) is moving back to Texas and dropping he control of the Pad’s. It also appears that Becky is slowly taking over the Padres.
Could be sump’n, might be nut’n; who knows!
http://www3.signonsandiego.com.....es/?padres
August 19, 2008 at 1:42 pm
#5@PF4L: Hmmm, what a mess … here’s something I found interesting …
As co-owner, she stated she has funded half of the team’s capital calls this year, estimated by her to be more than $30 million in joint payments.
… $30 million in cash calls this year? That can’t be, can it? What might that mean?
August 19, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Methinks we Pad fans may be in for a very unstable and potentially disastrous off-season. If the Pad’s are sold to a truly local interest, then maybe that bodes well for the future, but if John and Becky squabble over who they should sell it to then it might take forever with the result that no real decisions are made payroll or roster wise.
On another somewhat related topic, An interesting comment was made in the feedback from a reader of Podesta’s blog. She said that (and I paraphrase) to the Aldersons, Podestas, Towers et al, it is a job, but to us fans this team is our first love.
While they (management) can and likely would get a new job if and when the Pad implode, we fans cannot easily find a new team to root for. While I have no animosity for the Angels I am born and raised in SD so they are out fo the question. Plus, I will never, repeat, never, root for the doggers.
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3031950757212286354&postID=6644458831065658363
I am not suggesting that the Pad’s are going to implode, but I do see some storm clouds on the horizon. I almost (but not quite) hope Mr. Selig will step in and ensure stability on the running of the team and the decision making.
August 19, 2008 at 1:56 pm
LynchMob - A huge mess and I think we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg on this. I would not be surprised to see the Padres ownership/control question in the courts for a long time.
By the way, how do you link a previous comment in the one you are writing?
August 19, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Sorry, if you covered this earlier, but does anyone know if we still have to pay Maddux’s salary, like Boston is with Manny and Cleveland is with Blake?
Hopefully, we at least got rid of salary and got 2 potentially decent prospects.
Got to see Maddux’s last start as a Padre on Friday.
August 19, 2008 at 2:05 pm
#7@PF4L: It doesn’t sound like either one wants to sell the Padres; they both seem to want to run it and then hand it over to their daughter. The hard part will be valuing it correctly so that whoever ends up without it is properly compensated. If they can’t figure out a way to do that, they may have to liquidate it.
To link back to a previous post, click the curvy arrow next to the time stamp.
#6@LynchMob: $30 million in cash calls? No (conditional). Alderson tried to make a huge pile of hay about a $10 million cash call a couple of years ago. Does anyone think Labor Hawk John Moores would have let an opportunity to pubicly bemoan the state of baseball finances pass by if he’d written a check for that much?
Unless they’re doing some special accounting tricks or the Padres bought their own private island to go along with the Dominican facility, they couldn’t need a $30 million cash infusion. With kick-ins from the minority owners, that’d be near half the opening day payroll.
August 19, 2008 at 2:06 pm
#6@LynchMob: In the tradition of bitter divorces, you may have John pumping money into the team, to keep it away from Beckey.
August 19, 2008 at 2:08 pm
#9@Cabrillos: No details have been released yet.
August 19, 2008 at 2:15 pm
#9@Cabrillos: Hopefully the Padres are paying all of his salary and getting high end prospects. Realistically, I don’t think so.
August 19, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Capital Call (also known as a draw down) is the legal right of an investment firm or an insurance firm to demand a portion of the money promised to it by an investor[1][2]
For example, when an investor buys into a real-estate fund, that fund’s managers may wait some time before using the investor’s money to buy real estate, either because they are waiting for real estate prices to be favorable, or because they are researching new deals. When they are ready to actually buy real estate, the fund managers may issue a capital call, requiring investors who have committed money to the fund to actually transfer that money over.
Not sure if this is normal or not. Any finance guys out there?
Basically, Padre FO is in batten-down the hatches mode for the upcoming financial sheet storm headed their way because of the divorce. Lower costs, dump weighted contracts, run lean and mean until something shakes out, which, as noted, could be years.
Completely unfair, but when I hear about Becky Moores, I think of that lady owner from the movie Major League who was trying to kill off the team. Hell, she might be a better owner then John for all we know.
August 19, 2008 at 2:17 pm
#10@Tom Waits: According to the article the Padres are over half of the community property. They will have to come to a power sharing arrangement, or sell the team. Hopefully, they resolve it quickly.
August 19, 2008 at 2:25 pm
#15@Field39: If both of them place a higher value on preserving the team for their daughter, they’ll figure something out. Somebody will take less than 50%, or they’ll work it another way.
The key question is, do both of them want their daughter to have the team badly enough that they’ll make that kind of compromise? Only they know the answer to that.
August 19, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Maddux deal is official: Two PTBNL or cash considerations. The cash part may be what held things up with the commissioner’s office.
Usually when cash considerations are part of the equation, the prospects are not top-notch. We’ll see what DePo has to say, although he probably can’t be remotely specific.
August 19, 2008 at 2:43 pm
BTW, that def is from Finance Wiki.
August 19, 2008 at 2:53 pm
#14@PM: Don’t let Lance see you use then in place of than ;>)
August 19, 2008 at 3:26 pm
The roster move to replace Maddux on the roster: activating Brett Tomko! Schlom will be thrilled. No word if Tomko is stepping into the rotation or if there’ll be another move when we need a starter.
August 19, 2008 at 3:43 pm
#17@Tom Waits: Yeah, the cash considerations line is the kiss of death. But realistically we weren’t getting anyone major from the Dodgers. Hopefully we get a live arm from A instead of a fifth outfielder from AAA.
August 19, 2008 at 3:52 pm
#21@Ben B.: What gives me a little encouragement is the rumor that the deal had to be approved by the commissioner’s office. That usually only happens when there’s more than a million dollars involved. I could see the deal being:
Padres trade Maddux and 1 million dollars to LA now.
Padres have the right to two PTBNL (from an agreed-upon list) or 1.5 - 2 million dollars from the Dodgers after the season.
August 19, 2008 at 4:36 pm
We had no leverage with the Dodgers. If we got a substantial prospect back, I would count it as a pretty big win.
August 19, 2008 at 4:41 pm
DePodesta’s got a post up talking about the trade. Obviously he can’t comment on the non-Maddux players in the deal, but he does say they weren’t under pressure to move Maddux’s salary and that they did the trade to get players back. Those are both good signs.
August 19, 2008 at 4:47 pm
#22@Tom Waits: If they realy are running lean and mean for the next few years im thinking it will be the latter…
August 19, 2008 at 4:49 pm
#24@Ben B.: yeah but what is Depo supose to say? He really needed to get rid of maddux’s salary because we are slashing prices next year and oh by the way 2009 season tickets on sale friday!
you always have to take Depos blog with a grain of salt on that kind of stuff.
August 19, 2008 at 4:54 pm
#26@Steve C: I don’t think he’d go on record saying the Padres wanted players if it was going to be that easy to prove him wrong.
The amount of money involved with Maddux doesn’t seem to be enough that they’d move him to the Dodgers without getting what they wanted back.
August 19, 2008 at 5:00 pm
#26@Steve C: Sure, but there are lots of good PR-y ways to say that they’ll take the money. “We’ll continue to evaluate the possible players involved and at the end of the season we’ll decide which will do more to help the Padres win.” He could have left the line about not being pressured to move Maddux’s salary out. During the Wolf trade he basically confirmed that it was about saving money to spend in other areas. You do have to take what he says with a grain of salt (it’s not like we’re getting star prospects back), but there’s a difference between taking with a grain of salt and assuming he’s lying to us.
August 19, 2008 at 5:05 pm
#26@Steve C: In fact, the exact exchange was:
Commenter: “This concerns me. I am reading that the trade is for two players or Cash Considerations? Please tell us it is not the latter! If this is the case, this orginazition will lose a lot of face by completing such a transaction. I understand you can not elaborate about the players involved, but can you confirm that it is for 2 players and not cash?”
Paul DePodesta: “We want players. There was no other reason for us to trade Greg.”
That’s absurdly direct.
August 19, 2008 at 5:32 pm
The FO has had some time before the trade dl to evaluate and discuss the players with LA. They’re not on the ml roster, so how long will it take? BTW did SD get cash or a player in the Cust deal? or did the comp. just sorta fade away?
August 19, 2008 at 6:22 pm
On 4SD, Towers is being interviewed and just mentioned Hayhurst along with Geer and Ramos as possible young arms to be brought up.
Interesting indeed. I know that most of us here are really pulling for Hayhurst to get to the show at least once and this could very well be his season.
August 19, 2008 at 6:33 pm
More details on the Maddux deal on the U-T Padre blog. The Padres will select two players from a list of five. The players are lower level minor leaguers, so no James McDonald, but at least it won’t be 40 man roster refuse. The players on the list were given a cash value so if they get hurt the Padres can opt for the cash instead.
http://www3.signonsandiego.com.....de/?padres
I’m rooting for Hayhurst to take the start.
August 19, 2008 at 6:41 pm
#31@Jeremy: Tomko was activated…
I’m totally rooting for Hayhurst as well. I wonder if he’ll still be allowed to write if he gets the call. MLBPA may not care for that.
August 19, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Mike Cameron has caught fire. His performance this year with the Brewers (116 OPS+)is nearing his 2006 performance with the Padres (121 OPS+).
August 19, 2008 at 6:45 pm
To get Maddux, the Dodgers traded him to San Diego for two Minor Leaguers to be named or cash considerations, probably after the season ends. The teams will share the cost of the remaining $2.3 million of Maddux’s $10 million contract. Maddux had a no-trade clause, but told the Padres he would waive it for the Dodgers so he could remain close to his Orange County home.
http://sandiego.padres.mlb.com.....mp;c_id=sd
August 19, 2008 at 6:46 pm
#34@JP:
C’mon, JP. He strikes out a ton.
August 19, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Gerut: 127 OPS+
August 19, 2008 at 6:47 pm
#33@Masticore317: Allowed to write?
August 19, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Opponents hit .285 against Banks.
August 19, 2008 at 6:51 pm
#36@Stephen: I know. I met a Brewers fan in a recent Chicago trip that said he liked Cameron but tempered his enthusiasm with “but, he sure strikes out a lot”. Cameron is still a good player though, especially with his defensive work. We saw a nice sample of his defensive work with his recent trip to Petco.
August 19, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Strikeouts are not a big minus. It’s better than GIDP.
August 19, 2008 at 6:57 pm
#40@JP: JP, next time you are in Chicago could you pick me up a six pack of Shlitz and a six pack of Old Style?
August 19, 2008 at 7:00 pm
#42@Turbine Dude: I am going to go next year to see the Pads play the Cubbies. I would be more than happy to pick up some classic brews for you.
August 19, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Will Banks make it out of the first?
August 19, 2008 at 7:03 pm
#41@Kevin:
I can’t help it with the not so obvious sarcasm. Sorry.
OK, who couldn’t stop themselves from perusing the comments on the U-T story? Lowest-common denominator rant. Don’t even know what to properly critique KT about. (Worst trading GM in the league, for ex.)
August 19, 2008 at 7:03 pm
#43@JP: I grew up with my dad having the fridge stocked with Shlitz and when I was stationed at Great Lakes Training Center, we all drank Old Style. Can’t find the stuff in SD. Thought it would be cool to take my dad a ice cold six pack over to his place and suprise him.
August 19, 2008 at 7:15 pm
#45@Stephen: You mean you were being sarcastic?
August 19, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Unfortunately, the Padres can only be a spoiler team for the NLW this year.
August 19, 2008 at 7:16 pm
#46@Turbine Dude: You got it buddy
August 19, 2008 at 7:21 pm
#47@Kevin:
That’s what I get for typing here and eating there. Yes, I like Cameron.
August 19, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Pads should just run Sean Kazmar (23 yrs old) out there everyday at short. No need to see any more of Rodriguez who has never hit much at any level.
Iguchi has picked it up a bit at the plate. Maybe we bring him back next year at a dirt cheap price.
August 19, 2008 at 7:29 pm
#23@Alan: We had all the leverage, they needed pitching, we didnt have to trade him.
August 19, 2008 at 7:45 pm
I guess the Padres had to find out about Banks, especially after his great start, but is it safe to say that he has marginal big league stuff ?
August 19, 2008 at 7:55 pm
#53@JP: Very safe.
August 19, 2008 at 8:14 pm
#53@JP:
No, Clay Hensley has marginal big-league stuff. Josh Banks is a lousy pitcher. He won’t win ten more games in his major league career.
The Padres roatation for nex year is Peavy, Young and, ummm….well, hell I dunno. This team is going to be bad for a long time.
August 19, 2008 at 8:18 pm
#55@David Coonce: “This team is going to be bad for a long time.”
I tend to disagree. I, like GY am a glass half full kinda dude. I think we’ll see some big changes between now and the start of spring training ‘09. That’s just my feeling especially after seeing KT’s demeanor during the pre-game interview tonight. But then, what the hell do I know.
August 19, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Checking in late….working in L.A. As I went into my customers East L.A. location, the first thing I heard was “dude we got Maddux”. I said, “Oh yeah, I heard that yesterday but it wasn’t complete. Is it now?”. Anyway, I said, “Maddux is a good guy…..good luck”. Pissed I was that we (Padres fans) have nothing to talk about except the all time saves leader (believe it or not they said Trevor is the bomb and they would take him over any of their previous closers) and Tony Gwynn, I shut my trap. Of course we have more to talk about than that, but not in LA territory. I needed to get the hell outta there. From a motel 6 on an iphone…….Out of touch with reality…..
August 19, 2008 at 8:39 pm
#19@PF4L:
I’m the Spelling & Grammar Police!!!
August 19, 2008 at 8:53 pm
#53@JP: I prefer Beak to Banks, and I’m not sure if that’s saying a whole lot.
August 19, 2008 at 8:54 pm
#59@Masticore317: That’s not saying a lot, but I’d agree with it.
August 19, 2008 at 8:58 pm
#58@Lance Richardson: When you chastised him for his grammar misque I thought to myself “I am now know that Lance has been aware (not to mention disgusted) with everyone of my mistakes”.
Not to mention my misguided opinions…
August 19, 2008 at 9:00 pm
hey, they could trot tomko out there every fifth game…..
no im making a horrible joke, that would be just mean.
August 19, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Jody Gerut keeps hitting. I dont know why they have quad-A myrow on the roster. P-Mac can do the same thing and play more positions.
August 19, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Gerut delivers again.
Myrow needs to justify his roster spot right now !
August 19, 2008 at 9:19 pm
#63@SDSUBaseball: I agree with you on this one. The Myrow roster spot perplexes me.
August 19, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Another hit for the Gerut guy, maybe he should get some more at bats.
August 19, 2008 at 9:21 pm
#64@JP: Are you at all becoming a believer in Gerut? It seemed like not too long ago you were wondering why he was a starter.
August 19, 2008 at 9:25 pm
#66@Field39: I understand Gerut is a lefty, but he hasnt really struggled against lefties and if you want to get Hairston in the line-up, why not give Headley a day off here and there.
August 19, 2008 at 9:28 pm
#68@SDSUBaseball: I have seen enough of Scotty. I want to see Jody starting the rest of the way in center.
August 19, 2008 at 9:32 pm
#66@Field39: #67@SDSUBaseball: #69@Field39:
I’ve been a Gerut fan since day one. Hairston is on again, off again. I don’t know what to make of him.
August 19, 2008 at 9:49 pm
#67@SDSUBaseball: How could I not be a believer at this point? It’s easy to jump on the Gerut bandwagon now. The guy has performed.
August 19, 2008 at 9:57 pm
We got a ballgame now ! Headley having much better at bats as the season rolls on…..
As far as my negative Gerut outlook….coming into this season, the guy hadn’t really played in 3+ seasons and is 30 years old so it was hard to be a believer as far as projecting him as a part of the Padres future but the guy would not be denied and is VORP is in the upper 1/3 of all mlb’ers as far as centerfielders……
Oh no….is the game over ? Who rolled into another GIDP ?
August 19, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Rodriguez took a ball for a good ride but ended at least 15ft from the wall. Still good fight, what can I say?
I think its time they move Banks to the bullpen where he might be better suited. his early great start was a glitch, not a consistent occurrence. He might be an outstanding long relief/middle reliever who can work 2+ innings. Bring up Geer and LeBlanc
August 19, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Observations from the seats behind the San Diego bullpen (without reading the comments):
Tonight’s game reminded me of a little league game - 10 walks in 8 innings - with the Padres striking out that many times. Not quite sure how many the D’Backs staff walked, but it had to be at least six.
Giles has a really weak arm - Young scoring on that sac fly in the first seemed rather sad. Yes his OBP is great and he does a great job catching fly balls and playing the walls, but I always thought your right fielder was supposed to have the best arm in the outfield.
There was a group of fans chanting “Let’s go Beavers” in the ninth - classic!!
Hopefully tomorrow’s game is more “professional” from section 205.
August 19, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Valiant effort at the end, but there are too many guys on the roster that can’t hit (2 C’s, 2 SS’s) to carry 12 pitcher and still have good hitters up in key at bats in the ninth.
On Myrow, it’s way too few at bats to judge whether or not he can hit in the majors. It’s unfortunate that he’s probably never going to get a fair opportunity to prove himself in the majors, and especially not on this team with Adrian entrenched, but you might as well let him stay in the majors for the rest of the year. At least Myrow’s hit at some level, unlike Kazmar, Rodriguez, Hundley, and Carlin.
August 19, 2008 at 11:01 pm
#74@Sean Callahan: It’s amazing how shallow that ball was hit and still Giles threw a parachute. #75@Ben B.: Your probably right about Myrow - the Padres are trying to groom him into a pinch hitting role without being able to give him enough at bats to really feel comfortable. Tough situation for Myrow.
August 19, 2008 at 11:13 pm
#75@Ben B.: On the flip side, when you are a career minor leaguer and you get one last chance - you almost have to make an immediate splash (ig- Jody Gerut or even Edgar Gonzalez). It may not be fair but it is a reality.
August 19, 2008 at 11:15 pm
#77@JP: correction : of course, Gerut is not a career minor league player and had 20-25 at bats before he got rolling in 2008. Myrow only has 18 or so at bats so yes, it is way early to call him done yet.
August 20, 2008 at 1:25 am
#78@JP: I dont think its way too early when you have P-Mac hitting well in portland and he already proved he can hit MLB pitching OK and play better defense at more positions than Myrow.
August 20, 2008 at 6:01 am
#79@SDSUBaseball: I get the defensive arguement, but P-Mac has a major league line of:
.208/.324/.330
Sure, it is only 220ab’s, but how has he “already proved he can hit MLB pitching OK”?
August 20, 2008 at 6:02 am
#80@Coronado Mike: I meant to include that while P-Mac plays more positions, he can not really be considered a defensive player.
August 20, 2008 at 5:21 pm
pmac is f-ing horrible. easily my least favorite player in the padres org.
next would be like ledezma and rodriguez