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I appreciated the discussion in today’s earlier thread … which I believe was sparked by DePo’s invitation for comments along the lines of “buy vs sell for 2008″ in his latest blog entry …
http://itmightbedangerous.blogspot.com/2008/07/wanna-play-gm.html
Here’s a repeat of my thoughts from that thread …
I’ve been surprised at how much communication from the Padres’ FO has indicated they have not yet made the “buy vs sell†decision for 2008 … it’s obvious to me which way this decision should lean … and I’m 99.99% sure that the reality inside the FO is different from their public communications (and I fully understand and support how/why that’s the case) …
So, what I’m left to ponder is what’s been touched on a bit here today … make moves now for 2009 or 2010 or 2011?
It’s clear to me that the Padres’ ownership and management works towards having a team each year that is most likely to compete for the division and/or wild card while minimizing the risk of having a season which is as bad as 2008 has turned about to be (which begs an obvious question) … which says to me that what they are really doing right now is investigating options to make the 2009 team as good as possible within their risk (and budget, obviously) constraints.
I wish they’d have more of an attitude of “plan for a run at a World Series†… but I understand both how risky and hard that is. Perhaps they even think that’s what they are doing … perhaps that *is* what they are doing … but that’s sure not what it looks like to me.
I don’t claim to know what it takes to make and execute such a plan … it took Boston *many* years to figure out how to do it … clearly the Yanks have struggled doing it lately … so it’s not just a money issue … and I’m not even sure that the Twins nor the A’s have such a plan (I think they are just better at the “be a good team every year†model) … and the Tampa Bay model has many of its own risks and downsides (ex. sucking bad enough and long enough to have so many high draft picks that you almost can’t avoid creating a team that seems to be young and talented enough to make a run at several World Series’) …
I guess I’ve always thought that the key was to keep having a good team and be ready, willing and able to buy the right free agent hitter at the right time … a Bonds-type … a Vlad-type … a Manny-type. They are few and far between … so perhaps this is the Padres’ plan … they just have not yet found the guy they want … I was OK with it not being Carlos Lee, nor Soriano … (and we all knew it certainly wasn’t Barry Zito ) … it seemed like it might have been Miguel Cabrera … who might it be in the near future?
In the mean time, the team tries its best to stay poised … to take a few shots at drafting or signing and developing that guy …
I think the things that have hurt the 2008 Padres, beyond the oft-mentioned injuries (Jake, CY, Bard) and regressions (KG, Bard, Barrett, bully) are the events from 2007 which led to not retaining Jenga and Cameron …
Did anyone catch Peavy on 1090′s pregame show? He basically killed the organization for 4 or 5 minutes or so…
Among the comments:
“I told Greg, ‘it’s tough to win games here.’ We’ve never, since I’ve been here, had an offensive powerhouse.”
“I feel bad for them (Wolf and Maddux) pitching so well, and losing… maybe if they go somewhere else, they’ll fall in love over there.”
“We know this team isn’t going to be a player in free agency, it’s not like we have 6 or 7 prospects on the cusp.”
“Our future isn’t as bright as other organizations” (paraphrased, i forget the entire comment)
#2@Richard D.: Not very encouraging coming from our star pitcher.
#2@Richard D.: Ouch. He’s telling it like it is though….Thanks for transcribing.
#3@Turbine Dude: Yeah…my thoughts exactly.
Giants just lost to the Mets 0-7.
#3@Turbine Dude: But his comments do seem to reflect the general perception of the fans … in that regard, perhaps it’s beneficial to get those thoughts out there … I hope they are more negative than things really are …
#2@Richard D.: I’ve been disappointed with Peavy’s attitude this season, saying the season was over after a month and now this.
He is supposed to be a team leader, and he has to play in San Diego for some time.
#7@LynchMob: I would hope Peavy would be smarter than the fans.
#7@LynchMob: #9@Kevin: I tend to agree with both of you at the same time.
OT: I belive I will *try* to watch this game from my bed. I haven’t slept in 38 hours (sick family member). I’ll see you guys tommorow. Go Padres!
#8@Kevin: Well, he’s certainly laying the groundwork for fans not being as sorry to see him go when he ultimately does.
#12@Richard Wade: It sounds to me, like he is laying the ground workd for being gone, sooner rather than later
#13@Field39: His off the field behavior won’t be missed.
Heard, (From a reliable source, Kevin…) that the Pads called Chip Ambres, Myrow and Thatcher today. That the FO sent Guevara and Mac down, and that Tomko is on the DL. Does this mean OG will face a longer DL stint as well?
Any opinions of this development?
#15@130tom330: NO, NOT Thatcher!
Good thing Randy got that pesky lead-off batter… Only chasing one after 6 pitches…
Hermida homer. 1-0.
#15@130tom330: Deck chairs on the Titanic.
#14@Richard Wade: Remember Peavy’s comments in last year’s paper, about how he expected to be a free agent because the Padres wouldn’t pony up the cash…..
And similar comments in Sports Illustrated….
I mean, do we praise him for his honesty… or criticize him for throwing his team “under the bus”? Tough question to answer…
I think Peavy may feel that the FO has lied to him about their plans to improve the team. I am sure it is frustrating for him this year when Kouzmanoff is batting 5th, and Scott Hairston is sometimes the leadoff hitter. I seem to remember the offensive liabilities being discussed when Peavy was negotiating last year. He wanted to be sure the club was committed to improving the lineup. This would not be the first time that the FO has compromised their credibility.
#21@parlo: The FO has been very clear, that they are going to build this team via the farm system. I don’t see a credibility issue.
Peavy cultivates the image of a winner, a team player, a leader, good ‘ol boy (words)… We’ll see how long that can compete with the actual guy; who doesn’t have to obey posted no-parking signs, cusses himself out for failure to produce up to his own standards (actions). If he’s that critical of himself, how long should he hold in his criticisms of his teammates
That said, IMHO, its nice to see someone on the ball-club who’s not afraid to voice his frustration (god knows we’ve embraced the opportunity). Cant blame a guy for calling a spade a spade, least he’s a realist.
#21@parlo: Peavy’s none too bright if he feels lied to.
Headley with some RBI’s. Thats fun to watch. Section 130 just came back alive. Been a bit dead out here lately.
Meanwhile back at the ranch. Lamar with a bases clearing double.
You can believe that what Jake is publicly saying, is mildly what the players on the team and outside the organization are thinking and saying. Who has been the first Padre to criticize his comments?
#23@130tom330: I’m told he’s been known to yell at his teammates and tell them they suck, etc.
#22@Field39: I didnt realize that you were present at the negotiations. My apologies
#29@parlo: They have been very clear publicly what their intentions are.
#27@malcolm: Nice call Nevin. Rhino called, wants his opportunity back!
#28@Richard Wade: Yeah?! I’ve been doing that all year, hasn’t worked for me yet…
#29@parlo: Alderson says it every week on the radio.
28. Only 3 starters tonight on the opening day starting lineup. Does anyone know how unusual this is this early in the year?
Peavy should look at the f’n scoreboard right now.
Portland 4 Florida 1.
Nice start boys.
#23@130tom330: 100% agreement.
#35@malcolm: lol, good one there!
#32@Field39: Alderson says a lot of things every week on the radio. That doesnt make them true. It also doesnt mean that they are the same things that are said in private. If the FO reassured Peavy that they would improve the offense, then he most likely feels that he has been mislead. They may have told him a whole BS story. Who knows.
Sabathia in line for the win if they hold it.
#15@130tom330: Bernie Wilson has caught up to you.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=3479179
#39@parlo: They’ve rather obviously made attempts to improve the offense. A big part of the reason the offense is bad this year is the implosions of Khalil and the catching corps(e).
Also, fun note: Brian Giles, Adrian Gonzalez, Edgar Gonzalez, Jody Gerut, Scott Hairston, Kevin Kouzmanoff and Tony Clark have all been above average hitters so far this year.
#33 Year/Padre July 8 starters in opening day lineup. 07-6, 06-6, 05-5, 04-6, 03-5. We had Bradley this day last year and Vinnie this day 06. Any ideas for teams with less than 3 opening day starters in the July 8 lineup?
#42@Richard Wade: You forgot the replacement of MB and Cameron with Jim Edmonds/Gerut and Scott Hairston. Those were both significant downgrades IMO.
I dont really feel like rehashing the entire offseason again. My point is simply that Peavy may well feel disgusted with the FO. There is a credibility problem with the FO, and perhaps Peavy feels what many fans are feeling these days.
#45@parlo: They attempted to re-sign Cameron and made a run at acquiring Fukudome. Just because they couldn’t come to terms with those guys doesn’t mean they didn’t “attempt to improve the offense.”
Peavy, when frustrated is a moron. He needs to read GY’s annuals.
It’s nice to be able to speak your mind but he’s also the representative of the organization. What does he think Adrian been doing since becoming a Padre?
To say that the offense has been crappy since he got here is wrong. The offense has been better than the opponents since Petco Park open until this year. And it’s taken a dive this year. Yes, that is true. The pitching hasn’t been as good as previous seasons either, especially the bullpen.
I just started watching the game and looking at this thread so I just saw those comments by Peavy.
Not only is it very disappointing that a “team leader” would say stuff like that but it’s completely wrong! Anyone that can look deeply into the statistics knows that the strength of this team during their 4 year run has been the offense, not the pitching. In fact, as bad as the offense has been this season, the pitching is just as bad. It’s not like I expect Peavy to be very intelligent either but I’d expect that he’d have a rudimentary knowledge of what has made this team good over the past 4 years.
Also, one of the main reasons the Padres haven’t been successful in the postseason over this 4 year run is because he’s been so bad in the the playoffs. In his three playoff starts (including the game in Colorado last year) he’s pitched 16 innings, given up 29 hits, 11 walks, 5 HR and 19 earned runs with 11 strikeouts. That’s a 10.69 ERA. Maybe the Padres would be players in free agency if he pitched more like Curt Schilling or Josh Beckett in the postseason. Until he does something when it really counts, he should probably just keep his mouth shut.
#47@Didi: The offense has outperformed the pitching in four of Peavy’s previous six seasons, though the offense has only been good in two of those seasons.
#46 Richard are you on the payroll or cashing dividend checks?
Cameron and his agent don’t believe they tried to resign him.