IGD: Padres @ Diamondbacks (5 Sep 07)
Wed, Sep 5, 2007
by Geoff Young
| time: | 6:40 p.m. PT |
| tv: | 4SD |
| sp: | Jake Peavy (16-5, 2.10) vs Livan Hernandez (9-9, 4.67) |
| pre: | Padres.com, B-R.com |
I’ve just picked up the new Jason Falkner CD, I’m OK You’re OK
Speaking of which, Jake Peavy gets the call on three days rest in the finale at Arizona Wednesday night. Peavy lobbied to have his turn pushed up a day, giving us all a good excuse to wring our hands over potential bad outcomes. Here’s hoping our worries will have been over nothing…
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September 5, 2007 at 5:55 pm
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September 5, 2007 at 5:56 pm
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September 5, 2007 at 6:27 pm
I was just looking at today’s standings and realized that there are only two close races in MLB. The NL Central and NL West. The AL really has nothing close right now (I know, that is always subject to change.).
Everybody at work today was talking about Jake going on 3 days rest. I don’t understand all the titty-whinning over this. Like Randy Jones said, that was the norm back in his day. When was it decided that a five man starting rotation was needed? Ack! I digress…Glad to have Tomko back despite his crappy numbers.
September 5, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Okay, so my thinking is that we’ll know pretty quickly tonight if starting Jake on a 3 days rest was a good idea. Also, I would imagine that Buddy will limit his pitch count to under 100, but I could be wrong.
September 5, 2007 at 6:37 pm
I think Jake will still be good for 120-130 pitches. I hope it doesn’t take that many, though.
September 5, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Maybe Jake shoulda pitched out to Jackson. Got himself jacked up (pun not intended).
September 5, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Ugh. Peavy missed his spot on that one, left the pitch right over the middle of the plate….
September 5, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Good to see the bats haven’t flown back to the cave (lame, but best I could do on the fly here). Bard continues to kill it with RISP.
September 5, 2007 at 7:09 pm
OG got a lot of that. Unfortunatly not enough.
September 5, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Milton gave that one a ride just now - another long, loud out. Nice ot see Jake pitch efficiently through the previous half-inning.
September 5, 2007 at 7:29 pm
These fly balls are just dying to quick.
September 5, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Bard got his bell rung.
September 5, 2007 at 7:43 pm
A 2 out, 2 strike pitch. That hurts.
September 5, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Great, we moved up Jake for this? We’ve got to win this game.
September 5, 2007 at 7:50 pm
This has turned out to be the resounding failure many of us no doubt worried it would be.
September 5, 2007 at 7:51 pm
I thought that he was going on three days rest to skip pitching in Colorado in order to increase his chances of winning the Cy Young — which I think is a good idea. However giving up 4 runs to this horrible lineup doesn’t help too much. But he can’t be great every game, can he?
September 5, 2007 at 7:54 pm
Well, let’s see if the top of the order can do something with the lead runnre here. Third trip through, do they have Hernandez figured out?
OG *smoked* that one…first and third, no out (gulp)…
September 5, 2007 at 7:55 pm
17 - my bad, 2nd and 3rd…still, gulp…
September 5, 2007 at 7:57 pm
Don’t swing at the first pitch and hit into a double play Milton!
September 5, 2007 at 7:57 pm
The silver lining, will be no more talk of Jake on 3 days rest. All though some may find this too small a sample size for their taste.
September 5, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Bases loaded and nobody out. Please score!
This is my first post btw
September 5, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Waited until the 4th pitch so I guess that’s an improvement. Not exactly the approach you want there, throwing you bat at a pitch to make contact with the bases loaded and nobody out.
September 5, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Bases loaded, 0 out dbl play for just one run. At least we got a run!
September 5, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Damn it, Milton. You went a foot outside the strike zone to hit that pitch. Ahead in the count,too.
September 5, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Kind of baffled as to why Bradley seems to be in love with throwing his bat at the ball …especially ahead in the count.
September 5, 2007 at 8:01 pm
VIVA EL HOMBRE
September 5, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Now that’s what I’m talking about!!!
September 5, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Thank you Adrian for that go ahead run!!!!!!!!!!!
September 5, 2007 at 8:02 pm
That last at-bat shows why Bradley is maddening. What exactly was he doing there? The absolute worst thing in that situation is to hit into a double play and Bradley ensured that he’d do that with that awful swing. As you can see from Gonzalez AB, a strikeout is way better than a weak groundball. So why make that swing?
September 5, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Just silly. And Agon loves Bradley so much he decides to swing at the same pitch, but at least without making an out.
September 5, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Glad to have the lead, but this could have been the Chuck Norris death blow inning.
September 5, 2007 at 8:03 pm
To quote Yoggi Berra, ‘It ain’t over ’till it’s over.’
September 5, 2007 at 8:03 pm
21: Welcome. And good night, I’m hitting the sack while we have a lead.
September 5, 2007 at 8:05 pm
Cubs up 6-2 in the bottom of the 8th.
September 5, 2007 at 8:06 pm
#21: Welcome, Jason.
September 5, 2007 at 8:09 pm
Jake needs to stop nibbling and go after these guys. He’s got to trust his stuff.
September 5, 2007 at 8:12 pm
Jake looks tired.
September 5, 2007 at 8:12 pm
Just off Cammy’s glove too. Drat!
September 5, 2007 at 8:13 pm
Who’s up in the pen?
September 5, 2007 at 8:14 pm
#39: Thatcher and Brocail
September 5, 2007 at 8:15 pm
Conor Jackson is like Kryptonite to Jake.
September 5, 2007 at 8:16 pm
So now let’s hope they don’t bring Jake back for game 4 in the NLDS….
September 5, 2007 at 8:16 pm
Thanks for the welcome guys. Unfortunately I don’t get channel 4 so I have no way of watching the Padres on TV so I have to listen to them on the radio. The only times I actually get to see them is when I either go to the game or they’re in a nationally televised game which hardly ever happens.
September 5, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Byrnes is quick. Smart move to not try and throw him out at 2nd.
September 5, 2007 at 8:19 pm
#43: Let us know if you want any video details. Glad to help if we can. Several people in here following on internet as well.
September 5, 2007 at 8:19 pm
this looks on the verge of getting ugly
September 5, 2007 at 8:20 pm
This is not good. Bases loaded, 0 outs for Brocail.
September 5, 2007 at 8:21 pm
Well hopefully this will convince them that starting a pitcher on three days rest who throws max effort on every pitch may not be the best idea. 4 innings +, 10 baserunners. Ugly. Cassell could have given us this.
September 5, 2007 at 8:22 pm
45: Thanks for the offer. Sometimes I’ll watch the archive game on mlb.tv but only if they win and/or they’re at home so they have their home announcers.
September 5, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Shows the difference between pitching in Petco vs. pitching in Arizona. Most of those long flyballs would have been outs here instead of home runs and doubles.
September 5, 2007 at 8:34 pm
That really was a nice catch by Salazar. Kouz looked at him in disbelief.
September 5, 2007 at 8:39 pm
San Antonio Missions won game #1 of their playoff series against Frisco (Rangers). Geer had a quality start and Headley hit a blast.
September 5, 2007 at 8:54 pm
That was high and away. Should have been ball four.
September 5, 2007 at 8:55 pm
53: Two pretty bad calls that AB.
September 5, 2007 at 8:56 pm
Ball four was the same exact pitch as the previously called strike! WTF?
September 5, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Can we at least do something with this RISP?
September 5, 2007 at 9:03 pm
#56: I guess not.
September 5, 2007 at 9:05 pm
Terrible AB by Bradley. Asbolutely terrible. Horrible swing by Cameron on the 3-2 pitch. We should have at least gotten one run back there. Instead we come away with nothing.
September 5, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Just got in, was dreading the score and had my fears confirmed.
Because of Jake’s hubris, not only are the Padres going to be a game out of first, but Peavy probably cost himself the CY award. This is where a manager - especially one who was once a pitcher - is supposed to step in and say, “nope, sorry. You’ve pitched on 4 days rest all season - you’re not going to pitch on 3 days rest in September.”
Jesus, Anybody could have seen this coming. If the Padres miss a playoff spot by a game, then Black should go. It’s that simple. You don’t fuck around in a game this important, with your most important pitcher.
September 5, 2007 at 9:15 pm
59 - I still go on the theory that this was a trial for the playoffs - they (and Jake) now know that Jake CAN’T pitch effectively on 3 days rest so won’t be tempted to do it in the playoffs.
Of course, that won’t stop Morgan et al from postulating about it ad nauseum.
Yes, that assumes we make the post season, but I think we have a pretty good shot at this point and a single game shouldn’t make a difference.
If it does, then I’m sure Black didn’t make the decision on his own. KT & SA would have had some input…
September 5, 2007 at 9:17 pm
#60: I’m going to have to agree with you on that assesment.
September 5, 2007 at 9:19 pm
#60
Agreed - I was mostly just venting after coming home and dreading this score - and having that dread confirmed. Obviously there are other moments that have been awful this season - the homer to S. Drew with 2 outs in the 9th after Jake struck out 16 in 7 innings, the blown save vs. the Mets, etc. But this one was an obvious bad idea.
September 5, 2007 at 9:20 pm
And, on at least a decent note, Philly, LA and Colorado all lost tonight. So that’s something. I just hate rooting for other teams to lose. It seems so unseemly.
September 5, 2007 at 9:23 pm
The Pads are still 3 games up on the WC, and only a game out of first if the score holds.
September 5, 2007 at 9:27 pm
I took the complaints about negative posters last month too personally, so have resolved to look at things more optimistically.
Of course, the fact that I will now have to listen to my wife gloat about the DBacks being in first place makes me depressed….
September 5, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Does anyone know our record vs umpires?
September 5, 2007 at 9:38 pm
Rally cap time - three runs an inning is all I ask…
September 5, 2007 at 9:38 pm
#66: Against Joe West and Phil Cuzzi, not very good.
September 5, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Looks like we are going to have to do a job on Colorado and LA.
September 5, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Whoa! OK, rally cap on!
September 5, 2007 at 9:46 pm
That’s it. Good night folks.
September 5, 2007 at 9:51 pm
Too bad. At least starting Jake on three days rest allowed us to skip the fifth spot in the rotation, so everyone starting in Coors gives us a good chance to win. Germano-Dessens, Maddux-Francis (please don’t start Blum against the lefty, Black), and Young-Fogg. And then Jake gets the first game against the Dodgers on five days rest.
September 5, 2007 at 9:52 pm
Worst loss of a year (passing the recent blown Mets game ) - looks like a desperation move good bad. I’m still mad they didn’t completely blow that old scrub out of the water. Five runs in five innings is the best they could do?
September 5, 2007 at 10:22 pm
59: What you said is factually incorrect and silly on about 10 levels. I won’t detail them.
The No. 1 reason the Peavy moved can’t be questioned too much is because the alternatives were no good. The team has no No. 5 starter right now. Yes, Peavy pitched poorly tonight, but whoever would have pitched instead may have done the same or worse.
September 5, 2007 at 11:20 pm
59: He lost the Cy Young from one start on short rest? Really? Who is going to win it now?
September 6, 2007 at 8:31 am
3: Do you understand the worries now? Mislabeling them as titty-whinning doesn’t change the facts.
September 6, 2007 at 9:32 am
Obviously every one now thinks starting Peavy on short rest was a bad idea … well … that’s not how I see it … I think it was a good decision with bad results … Peavy looked strong in recent starts … he did well in one previous short rest start … the alternatives were bad … as far as I know, Black and Balsley and all other people with input into the decision were thumbs-up, and they made the decision based on more information than we have … I was OK with the decision …
One thing I learned (or was reminded) is that it can’t matter that Jake says he “feels good” … that’s not a predictor of “good results” …
September 6, 2007 at 9:44 am
77: Going on short rest against the 2004 Diamondbacks, who finished 51-111 (seriously, 111 losses that year) is different than going on short rest against a good team.
We were in first place. We have the better team. I saw no reason to panic before last night. If Cassell was good enough to start against the Dodgers last week, how can he be a bad option against the Diamondbacks? Not an optimal option, but the falloff from Peavy to anybody else is steep.
The real problem with the decision is that it was made without foresight. Was nobody in the front office looking at the schedule until after Saturday’s game was over? Jake could have been pulled after the 5th inning Saturday.
September 6, 2007 at 11:06 am
78 … if “nobody in the front office looking at the schedule until after Saturday’s game was over”, then that indeed is a “real problem” … I don’t think that was the case … just appears that way based on the limited information we have …
One other related note was I heard/read somewhere that now Jake is on schedule to pitch the final game of the season, if necessary … which means that if it’s not necessary and the Padres have a playoff spot clinched, then he’s on schedule for Game 1 of the NLDS … which seems like a good thing …
September 6, 2007 at 11:44 am
79: If they let him throw 25-30 pitches more than needed on Saturday and were thinking of having him go yesterday, then the vaunted Padre brain trust needs a tune-up.
September 6, 2007 at 12:48 pm
80 … well said … you’ve framed a lose-lose proposition … either they hadn’t forethought about the schedule and the possibility of going with Jake on 3-days rest … or they let Jake go too long on Saturday in the face of a short-rest-start possibility. Let’s see if we see any quotes in the next coupla days which provide further insight into this … either way, a tune-up is never a bad idea … do you have a suggestion for how one might go about doing such a tune-up? I might/could use one myself …