IGD: Padres vs Diamondbacks (2 Aug 07)
Thu, Aug 2, 2007
by Geoff Young
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Go Padres!
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August 2, 2007 at 8:09 am
Day game at home = not great for Peavy
All 5 of Peavy’s losses this year have come at petco, 3 of witch were during day games.
August 2, 2007 at 8:17 am
Man I hate Peavy in day games. It would be nice if he could come out and get back on track with CY on the DL. A dominating performance by Peavy might do wonders for this team.
August 2, 2007 at 8:50 am
Peavy’s got to be the stopper here. We’ve got to get this thing going again. Who starts in RF today — Hairston or Machowiak? Here’s hoping it’s the latter!
August 2, 2007 at 8:59 am
Re: 3 why not NOG?
August 2, 2007 at 9:00 am
Re: 4 I meant OG
August 2, 2007 at 9:15 am
I wish GY would get back. I’m thinking we need a “step back away from the cliff” entries.
August 2, 2007 at 9:21 am
Re: 6 I just keep telling myself they did the same thing last year, and they still won the division, but I’m not sure how much longer I can keep believing it.
August 2, 2007 at 9:24 am
5.
He hurt his ankle pretty bad last night making a great play. It looked to me like his knees took some pain also so it wouldn’t surprise me if he was down for a game or 2. I think the question is who plays left because Bradley will probably move over the right. I think it will probably be Mackowiak since Petit is a righty. I think this might make KT look good for strengthening his bench a day before Giles goes down. Hopefully it works out.
How good does the Milton Bradley aquisition look? That guy is a freaking man and has been the single bright spot on this roster for the last few games. I am almost to the point where I think they may want to start looking into some type of 2 or 3 year extension for the guy. It’s probably a little too early for that right now but if he keeps playing like this you would think that we would almost have to look into it right? He is from LA so he would be close to home. He hates the Dodgers and he would get to play them 19 times a year. San Diego is a low key market and he wouldn’t be under a microscope. I’m just saying I could see him him wanting to work something out here and I can definitely see the Padres wanting to look into it.
August 2, 2007 at 9:27 am
2: Was Jake not dominaing his last time out?
August 2, 2007 at 9:28 am
Re: 9 he was but Jake has not done well at home day games this year, but then again not good for jake is 7 IP and 3 ER with 7 SO.
August 2, 2007 at 9:37 am
10: Exactly, i wouldnt say he has been bad. We just need to score the runs. Its a day game, we normally put up a good amount of runs. I dont know why they arent doing it for Jake in day games. His day game numbers really arent all that bad 2.68 ERA, he just isnt getting any support so he is 4-3 in day games this year
August 2, 2007 at 9:44 am
I never said jake was doing bad during day home games I just said he was not doing great (which he is in every other setting) during day home games.
his home ERA is 3.36 while his away ERA is 0.98, I would say that there is a noticeable difference there.
August 2, 2007 at 9:46 am
8: He is such a dynamic player when he’s hungry (if not a Jose Reyes-level dynamo). You have to think the Pads are/will be thinking of him as possible CFer next year. Is he good enough for center? I dunno but I remember when the Dodgers signed JD Drew there was some question of who would play center or right and Drew went to right, IIRC.
August 2, 2007 at 9:49 am
Re: 8 I could see the Pads working out a 1 year deal with Bradley to play CF next year, I dont see either side wanting to go over 1 year though.
August 2, 2007 at 9:51 am
it would be nice to score a few f’ing runs for jake today…that would be super.
and no brocail today thanks
August 2, 2007 at 9:52 am
13.
Yeah I don’t know how great he would bein center (I am still convinced the Padres are going to kick the tires on Eric Byrnes) but he could probably play it pretty decently. He is probably Cammy’s back up in cf now so it’s definitely an option.
August 2, 2007 at 10:00 am
Re: 16 I agree’d with you on Bynres untill Bradley started playing well, I dont think the Padres will go after Bynres now because he will want a 3-5 year contract (which he will be able to get with another team), where I think they will be able to get Bradley to sign a 1 year “hey let me prove to everybody I can play a full year without a blowup” deal. The Padres will never commit to more years than they have to because the last few long term deals they have done have blown up in thier face (with the exception of Trevor).
August 2, 2007 at 10:01 am
16: Eric Byrnes thinks he deserves Gary Matthews Jr money, aka Stupid Money.
Unless the Padres internal defensive metrics show him to be a terrific CF, they’re not going to sink 15-20% of their payroll into a single player coming off a career year.
August 2, 2007 at 10:03 am
wow lets call up hillenbrand haha
hes got 4 games and hes 1 for 15(only a single) thats ballin!
POR PCL .067 4 15 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 .067 .067 .133
August 2, 2007 at 10:06 am
9.
Yes he was dominant the last time out but the last few starts before that not so much. If he can come out and put together another Jake-Like performance I think it would go a long way. Since the AS break he has not been sharp and CY has basically been our ace. With CY out Jake needs to step back up and take this team over. Pitching is going to carry this team and if we are going to go anywhere Jake is going to have to be a big part of it.
August 2, 2007 at 10:06 am
Padres Prospect Report
You will not see the sexy July 31st blockbuster trade. But the reality is, the Padres made one of those too, they just did it two weeks early (which apparently doesn’t count among Padre faithful). Since joining the Padres Milton is hitting .371/.463/.657.
Wednesday, August 1, 2007
AAA
Yordany Ramirez: 5 AB, 1 R, 3 H, 1 RBI; 2 SB
Pete Laforest: 4 AB, 1 R, 1 H, 1 RBI; HR, SO – typical day
Will Startup: 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 SO, 0 HR – Padre debut
AA
Colt Morton: 5 AB, 2 R, 3 H, 3 RBI; 2 HR, SO
Will Inman: 6.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 5 BB, 4 SO, 1 HR – weird line
High-A
No significant performances…
Low-A
Cedric Hunter: 5 AB, 0 R, 0 H, 0 RBI; BB, 2 SO
Cory Luebke: 4.0 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 5 SO, 0 HR – Low-A debut
Short Season-A
Danny Payne: 3 AB, 0 R, 0 H, 0 RBI; 3 SO – kept off base!
Rookie
No significant performances…
Commentary:
The Texas League San Antonio Missions were the first Padre organization team in clubhouse tonight and they picked up a “W.” Every other team lost…
August 2, 2007 at 10:10 am
18.
You are probably right but Byrnes loves is here and is not going to get Mathews money. Once he is out on the market for a while he might have a change of heart.
August 2, 2007 at 10:14 am
Pete Laforest is rediculous!
August 2, 2007 at 10:19 am
Byrens wont get Gary Matthews Jr Money because the CF market will be so saturated but I could see a team like the Chi or SF giving him 4years/$40 mil to play RF for them. Here is where I think the CF will fall:
Hunter - NYY 5y/$85
Jones - Bos 5y/$80
Cameron - Atl 3y/$33
Rowand - CWS 5y/65
August 2, 2007 at 10:23 am
24.
That’s pretty much Gary Matthews money minus a year. I expect Hunter to pull about that maybe more but I honestly have no idea what to think with Jones. Cammy is probably a good bet too but I think you are way off on Rowand.
August 2, 2007 at 10:25 am
Another interesting tidbit (Peter, you may have mentioned this — feel free to flog me if so) for tonight is that Robert Woodard is making his first start for Portland.
Woodard pitched pretty well in the College World Series for North Carolina, and after only a few outings at Eugene, he’s on the bump tonight for the Beavers against Nashville. That will be a game on which to keep an eye.
August 2, 2007 at 10:29 am
22, 24: Why wouldn’t he get Matthews money? A lot of teams want CF and he’s having a better 2007 than Matthews’s 2006.
The top free agent CF last year were:
Edmonds
Matthews
Pierre
Roberts
Next year’s class is:
Eric Byrnes ARZ
Mike Cameron SD
Kosuke Fukudome, Chunichi, Japan
Torii Hunter MIN
Andruw Jones ATL
Aaron Rowand PHI
A lot of teams are going to be looking for CF.
I dropped players in both years who aren’t top-end, which includes Bradley, Erstad, etc. If Juan Pierre and Gary Matthews got 9-10M per, Eric Byrnes sure can.
August 2, 2007 at 10:36 am
who will be looking for a CF in the offseason with money to burn? CWS, Bos, NYY, Atl, and Balt. I dont even think Byrens will be playing CF next year.
GMJ and Peire got big money deals becuse they were the best two CF available on the open market Byrnes is 5th maybe sixth this season.
August 2, 2007 at 10:36 am
There’s something I don’t like about Byrnes. Yeah he plays hard but I think some of that is false hustle, like diving into first when there wasn’t even a play. And then there’s boneheaded plays like trying to stretch a routine single into a double. I’d rather resign Cameron or break the bank for Jones.
August 2, 2007 at 10:38 am
No reason for the Pads to panic yet. Last year they actually dipped beneath .500 after the 120 game mark, though they will need more than 88 wins this year to win the Division. They need to get going sure, but they still have time to right the ship.
August 2, 2007 at 10:41 am
OT: Mets called up B-Law
August 2, 2007 at 10:44 am
29.
I totally agree with you on the false hustle thing. He basically admitted it yesterday on the radio. He was talking about playing at Yankee Stadium and he mis-read a fly ball. Once he started running for it he said he realized he wasn’t goin to get to it but because he had mis-read it off the bat he was just going to dive for it anyways and he missed catching the ball by a yard or two.
He annoys me to no end!
August 2, 2007 at 10:47 am
28: Lots of teams have money to burn. Baseball’s rolling in cash now.
You listed 5 teams on your own, with 6 top free agents. More teams than that will be looking for CF.
The Yankees may decide to trade Damon and grab someone else.
Philly might want Rowand back, or a big name instead of using Victorino.
SF now knows what SD knows, that Roberts is stretched in CF. If they don’t resign Bonds they have 20M to spend.
Texas has a hole there and isn’t afraid to spend.
Some scouts think Pence is stretched at CF in Houston, and they have all that money they’re not paying Pettite and Clemens
anymore.
Baltimore can usually be counted on to spend on free agents, even if unwisely, and they’re currently using Cory Patterson.
Some of those teams will go with second-tier guys, some may fill the spot from within, but there are still more teams in need than there are top free agents.
August 2, 2007 at 10:48 am
29.
I’m totally with you there. I can’t stand Byrnes.
He’s like some kind of pathetic clown.
August 2, 2007 at 11:01 am
I dont see him going to SF because with bonds finaly being gone I think they are going to go with a youth movement and they just traded for a young CF.
I think philly will go with Victorino because they know Rowand is not worth big money and they are going to save teh cash to sign Howard to a long term deal.
I didnt really think of the rangers but they refused to give GMJ 5y/$50 so I cant see them giving Byrens that kind of money.
The astros are not hurting for OF between Pence, Lee and Scott, they also have to many other holes to fill in the IF and BP.
I don’t see Byrens making a return to Balt after the debacle a few years ago.
August 2, 2007 at 11:03 am
35: None of those teams have to give Byrnes the money. They’re going to be bidding on the other free agent CF, though. There’s more demand than there is supply.
August 2, 2007 at 11:08 am
Well part of my point was that I dont think Philly, or Houston will be looking for a CF.
August 2, 2007 at 11:12 am
Speaking of Damon and the Yankees, do yuo guys think there is any shot of the Padres trading for Damon if the Yankees take over at least half of his contract?
August 2, 2007 at 11:18 am
38.
He might be cool in left. But if they were not picking up a ton of money HELL NO!
August 2, 2007 at 11:19 am
well no way would the Pads do it if the yanks didnt pick up atleast 7 of the 13 mil, but he would only be signed though 09, he can play CF and lead off if he stays healthy.
August 2, 2007 at 11:22 am
I seem to recall a knock on Byrnes from his days as an Athletic–his playmaking ability is more about hustle than being a polished, expert route-taker.
August 2, 2007 at 11:28 am
40.
I wouldn’t trust him to play center. I think that’s why the Yanks are thinking about moving him. He would probably be above average left fielder though. $5 mil a year through 2009 might be cool.
August 2, 2007 at 11:29 am
37: And they might not be, but then again, they might. Even if you take them out of the equation, there are a lot of teams looking for CF, and very few teams can legitimately say they can’t afford one. Might not want to pay one (us), but they can afford to if they wanted.
August 2, 2007 at 11:31 am
Do you think the Pads would look to get rid of Barrett?
August 2, 2007 at 11:33 am
Re: 43 thats what I meant “want” to afford one I know every team can afford one.
Re: 44 Barrett is gone at the end of the season (hello draft pick).
August 2, 2007 at 11:34 am
As someone who lives in Oakland, I remember Byrnes in CF very well. He took bad routes but made a lot of awesome catches. He threw his body all over the field, which resulted in him consistently being banged up and slumping after hot starts. He’s much better suited to LF, where he can defer to the CF and not wear himself out so much.
Bradley has in my experience always been a good but not great centerfielder. I’d be happy to have him there since he might be considerably cheaper than those other guys, but I also wouldn’t mind if the Padres actually spent some money on two good outfielders next year, whoever they happened to be.
August 2, 2007 at 11:34 am
As someone who lives in Oakland, I remember Byrnes in CF very well. He took bad routes but made a lot of awesome catches. He threw his body all over the field, which resulted in him consistently being banged up and slumping after hot starts. He’s much better suited to LF, where he can defer to the CF and not wear himself out so much. Also, he doesn’t currently play CF, Young does.
Bradley has in my experience always been a good but not great centerfielder. I’d be happy to have him there since he might be considerably cheaper than those other guys, but I also wouldn’t mind if the Padres actually spent some money on two good outfielders next year, whoever they happened to be.
August 2, 2007 at 11:35 am
I wouldn’t suprise me if the Pads do a half ass job this off season patching the holes that they have (LF, CF, 2B, SP), selling at the deadline next year and calling up all the top guys in Aug.
August 2, 2007 at 11:36 am
Sorry for the duplicate post, the first one can be deleted!
August 2, 2007 at 11:49 am
Mackowiak is leading off and starting in right. Bard gets the start behind the plate, NOG at second, and Ensberg at third.
August 2, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Boston won’t be in the market for a CF. They have Jacoby Ellsbury ready to take over…
August 2, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Re: 51 you dont think they will make a run at Jones?
August 2, 2007 at 12:14 pm
51: Ellsbury has a 697 OPS in AAA. They might use him, but they’ve got more money than Yoko Ono and they don’t rebuild.
August 2, 2007 at 12:15 pm
Re: 53 kind of what I thought
August 2, 2007 at 12:18 pm
hey peter any idea why the Pads moved Michael Epping up to LE form FtW? he’ws hitting he was hitting .217/.300/.409 in low A ball
August 2, 2007 at 12:25 pm
Justin Upton starting in Right field for the D-Bags today!
August 2, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Oooopppsss!!! Actually not starting today.
August 2, 2007 at 12:34 pm
55: no…
53: Sure, but Ellsbury hit:
AA (2007): .452/.518/644
AA (2006): .308/.387/.434
Hi-A (2006): .295/.375/.414
His career minor league numbers are: .306/.387/.423
If Boston does sign Andruw (I don’t think there’s any chance of it), we should trade for Ellsbury.
August 2, 2007 at 12:45 pm
58: Numbers which translate to acceptable but hardly great production for a rookie. That’s not to run Ellsbury down, but they’re in baseball’s toughest division, or second-toughest between the AL Central. They haven’t gotten the power they expected from Ortiz or Drew, even Manny has slipped.
I don’t know who we have that would interest them. Ellsbury would make a very valuable backup OF.
You know, a changeup might be an outstanding pitch for Jake.
August 2, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Re: 58 what do the pads have that the redsox would want for Ellsbury? I have a feeling they may go after crisp though.
August 2, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Jake breaks out the curveball to fan Byrnes. Nice. The 21 pitches weren’t so nice, though.
August 2, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Good news: Peavy struck out the side
Bad news: It took 21 pitches
August 2, 2007 at 12:50 pm
ouch 2 SO in 8 Pitches
August 2, 2007 at 12:57 pm
And Jake gets another K on the curve.
August 2, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Got a good feeling that Marquis de Giles is gonna break out of his slump today and return Blummer to the bench. I’m saying 3-4 with a bomb and 3 RBIs. Thoughts?
August 2, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Its clear now that agon had his career year last year and is not the player that Tex thought it was trading to the pads. He’s a 265 guy at best.
August 2, 2007 at 1:02 pm
66.
How is that clear?
August 2, 2007 at 1:02 pm
Re: 65 if he hits a bomb he wont go 3-4 he will go 1-4 with 3 SO, NOG needs to stop swinging for the fences and slap the ball around the feild.
August 2, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Welcome to SD mr Ensberg!
August 2, 2007 at 1:05 pm
WOW!!!
August 2, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Morg-MAN Ensberg.
August 2, 2007 at 1:06 pm
ENNNNNNNNNNZZZZZ!!! (this guy needs a nickname, somebody quick!)
August 2, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Welcome to the Padres, Morgan Ensberg!
August 2, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Morgan is a good addition right now.
August 2, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Anyone getting the game on MLB TV - it is saying that it is blacked out?
August 2, 2007 at 1:08 pm
And Morgan should be in this lineup everyday. It’s worth a gamble. The guy is a proven power hitter when healthy.
August 2, 2007 at 1:09 pm
Re: 76 its nice that he hit a HR in his first AB but lets not get to ahead of ourselfs here, he is still hitting .236 on the year.
August 2, 2007 at 1:09 pm
67, because agon has been a 250 for nearly two months now. Are you saying he will be hitting 300 soon? The only way he gets on base is to walk. But I’ll take it.
August 2, 2007 at 1:13 pm
Re: 78 I think part of Adrians problem this year is that he is trying to hit for more power because he is in the 3/4 spot, his HR’s are up but so are his SO’s
August 2, 2007 at 1:15 pm
72: “The hitting bandit”? As in, Morgan(na) the hitting (kissing) bandit….. might be a stretch…. but, derivations like “bandito” and what-not could be fun….
August 2, 2007 at 1:16 pm
78.
A 2 month skid of hitting .250 isn’t exactly a clear sign that he is a career .265 “at best”. I’m not saying he’s a going to be a career .300 hitter I have no clue what he’s going to hit, it’s his 2nd season. Cut the guy some freaking slack dude the entire team is in the gutter offensively and has been all season. How many games did Adrian win for us at the begining of the season? Piling on a 2nd year player that was great last year and started of great again but has struggled for late is kind of idiotic IMO.
August 2, 2007 at 1:21 pm
For Gonzalez, two months is a small sample size.
The game is not on on the MLBtv schedule today. The Padres are on a lot more often than last year, but still not on the schedule for every game.
I can’t stand Byrnes either. According to Win Shares, he is actually the best player in the NL this season, based on his great fielding in left and that Arizona is a pitcher’s park. But I think his hustle is false and his hair is stupid and he is always doing those “reporting” stints on Fox that someone must think are so clever. He’s also 31, and this will probably be his career year.
I don’t see why any team would want Johnny Damon or Andruw Jones. They are not good right now. The Yankees already paid for past performance once with Damon.
August 2, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Peavy: 1,000 strikeouts.
August 2, 2007 at 1:30 pm
only 4,715 more to pass Ryan
August 2, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Hombre.
August 2, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Wow. Just in time for you PM!
August 2, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Works every time. When I bag on a player, he hits a HR. Way to go, Agon. I bet that one felt really good.
August 2, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Adrian was checking ducksnorts posts between innings
August 2, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Lets see, who should I bag on next;) I would try NOG be he may be beyond my help.
August 2, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Bandito!
August 2, 2007 at 1:37 pm
way beyond my help. Nice groundout NOG. Can Ensburg play second?
August 2, 2007 at 1:41 pm
PM, try Greene.
August 2, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Peavy’s ERA down to 2.33
August 2, 2007 at 1:55 pm
The problem with insulting NOG to get him jump-started is someone already showed confidence in him in this thread. Clearly, he got complacent, with disastrous results. I think we need a massive effort to overcome that complacency, with everyone chipping in to insult him.
I’ll start. NOG, you are approaching Jason Kendall territory with your hitting.
August 2, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Marcus, you are not orange.
August 2, 2007 at 2:00 pm
who just got hurt? Gameday says injury delay . .
August 2, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Who’s hurt now?
August 2, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Marcus, I wish it was you hit with the ball at second instead of our beloved best padre player cammy. Might knock some sense into ya.
August 2, 2007 at 2:01 pm
Cam’s hurt??? Oh, crap
August 2, 2007 at 2:02 pm
He remained in the game.
August 2, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Cameron took a pickoff throw in the back of the head/helmet. Think he’s OK…
August 2, 2007 at 2:03 pm
New guys look real good and Jake looks like JaKKKKKKKKe
August 2, 2007 at 2:03 pm