IGD: Padres @ Giants (26 Sep 07)

Game #158
time: 7:15 p.m. PT
tv: 4SD
sp: Jake Peavy (18-5, 2.36) vs Pat Misch (0-3, 2.75)
pre: Padres.com, B-R.com

This kid made a lot of Padres hitters schwing and Misch the last time he faced them. Thanks, you’re much too kind; please stop throwing vegetables.

140 Comments

  1. Marsh
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Okay, Dbacks down 3 – top 5. Phils up 3 top 8. . We’re going to need that Philly bullpen to suck things up again…

  2. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Phils win… Meyers has a DIRTY breaking ball. We gotta win tonight with Jake on the mound. We cant make this loser pitchers look like Cy Young any more.

  3. Posted September 26, 2007 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    2: Exactly. We need some killer instinct here. We can’t let these nobodies shut us down for 6 innings anymore.

  4. Posted September 26, 2007 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Phils win
    Mets down 7-6 in the 8th
    D’backs down 4-1 in the 7th
    Cubs down 7-4 in the 9th
    Brewers down 3-2 in the 7th
    Rox and Padres both about to start

  5. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    These Bond’s soundbytes are halarious

  6. Ben B.
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Ouch. Just realized I get the Giants broadcast of the goodbye to Bonds. This is going to be painful.

    They’re playing Bonds highlights and quotes over Enya-like music now.

    Now a picture of skinny Bonds speaking with a mustache. Awesome.

  7. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    6: Thats exactly what i was talking about. His quotes were cracking me up. I hope Jake just makes a fool of Bonds and the whole team.

  8. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    That was Giles looking for a walk. He should have ripped that belt high inside breaking ball. left handed hitter’s dream.

  9. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    #5/6: I’m glad I don’t have to suffer through that. I’m just wondering what AL team will pick him up, if any. He costs too much, and is an old broken down steroid junkie. Or, maybe he should just retire and fade away. God, I hate him!

  10. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    9: Agreed. Just go away, leave the game

  11. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    damn. Winn kills us

  12. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    BARDO! RBI Double! 1-1!

  13. Ben B.
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Way to go Blum! Even hitting right-handed!

  14. Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Yahoo!

  15. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Blum rips a double that looked like a homer, but turns out to be another RBI double. 2-1 Pads

  16. Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Nice.

    Also, Mets lose 9-6.

  17. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Way to go Silent L!!!

  18. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Pirates are looking to finish off the D-backs, 5-1 top 9

  19. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t ran the math, but is there a chance to tie Philly for the WC and tie DBs for the NL West?

  20. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    19: I would think it would be possible

  21. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Pirates win! Padres can really take care of business with a win tonight

  22. Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    What if there’s a massive 5 way tie between the Mets/Phillies/D’backs/Rox and Padres?

    They’d have to add three extra days before the playoffs just to get it all in.

  23. Ben B.
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    David Pinto at the baseballmusings blog plans out massive tie scenarios every day. He’s excited about a possible six way tie between the D-Backs, Rockies, Padres, Mets, Phillies, and Braves. Not sure if the Braves’ loss to the Phillies messes that up.

  24. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    I’d love for Greeney to develop a little speed, I mean like Reyes or anything, but that easily could had been an infield single.

  25. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    if the D-Backs, Rockies, Phills and Pads all tie, how do you even break that?

  26. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Things that make you go…hmmmm?

  27. Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    25 – I imagine two teams would play and the other two teams would play, and the next day the winners would play.

    Probably the two NL West teams with the best head to head records would play for the division and the other team would play the Phils first.

    Just guessing though.

  28. Ben B.
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Here’s Pinto’s massive tie break scenario from this morning.
    http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/023190.php

  29. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    GY would know this, but he’s MIA and not answering his cell phone.

  30. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    27: But there are 3 NL West teams…

  31. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Blum looks ok at the plate vs the left tonight.

  32. Ben B.
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    27: My guess would be they settle the division before the Phillies come into play at all. That would involve two teams playing, then the winner playing the third team. The winner of that game would be the division winner, and the loser of it would go to play the Phillies. Just a guess, though.

  33. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    32: Since AZ and COL both have the season series on us, I am guessing they play for the division… Dont AZ and COL play each other over the weekend?

  34. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Jake isnt getting the corners at all tonight

  35. Ben B.
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Jake’s doing his pitch to contact thing tonight. No k’s, no bb’s, 9 ground outs against 3 fly outs.

  36. Ben B.
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    33: They only use head to head tiebreakers if both teams make the playoffs. If it’s a tie for one playoff spot, they play a game.

  37. Marsh
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO – no Jake on the bases! He’s throwing too well tonight. We need him at his best! CRAP!

  38. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Right on Jake/OG!!!!!!

  39. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    36: Ya but whoever holds the better H2H records would be the 3rd team in your situation (#32). that would be my guess. Or else how do you decide who plays just the one game for the division?

  40. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    37: Well then he needs to come around and score before we get 3 outs so Jake has time to recoup.

  41. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    There we go, now Jake has time to settle down.

  42. Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    36 – you’re probably right.

  43. Richard D.
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    I pose this question to the audience… if we get a good sized lead, like say 4 or 5 runs, do you yank Jake after 80 pitches or something, trying to save him for the last game of the year if needed.

    If we lean on him less tonight, he’ll be more fresh for the last game…

    Or do you step on the Giants’ throats and let Jake throw 110?

  44. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    GREENEY! There ya go. 5-1 Pads

  45. Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    More good examples of why Bonds in left next year isn’t the greatest idea.

  46. Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy… a double E for Barry, and this time they’re not attached to some dancer he met…

  47. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    43: I dont think 4 or 5 runs is enough. i dont trust our pen that much. Then again, Jake could get through 6 on 85 pitches so i wouldnt be opposed to pulling him then. i say you get him through 6. The pen can hold it for 3 innings.

    I dont think Bud will pull him early though, he is pitching too well.

  48. Schlom
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    The 6 way tie would be between the Padres, Rockies and D-backs in the NL West and the Phillies, Mets and Braves in the NL East. Then there would be two days of playoffs for the division crowns and two days for the wild card winner. However, I think with the Braves loss to the Phillies tonight there can’t be a three way tie in the East.

  49. Ben B.
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    All right, let’s get Jake through the next inning so he gets the win, then pull him to keep him fresh.

  50. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    I asked my wife to turn her bra inside out to rally for a huge win. She said we were big enough fans buying a T. Gwynn brick. LOL!

  51. Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    43 – I was asking the same thing earlier. I think personally I take him out, but I don’t think that’s gonna happen. That being said, if it’s a laugher after 6 Jake should be on the way out.

  52. dprat
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    47: Have a bit of faith in the pen; after all, it’s only the best one in MLB. But I agree, let Jake go 6 if he continues to be efficient, and get him out of there.

  53. Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    RE: 43

    Let Jake get into the official game category, get him in place to get his 19th win and THEN think about pulling him… But it’s not the pitch count that is the issue, it’s the between-starts routine. Jake is young enough and strong enough. The difference between 65 and 85 pitches is negligible. Now, the difference between 85 and 105 could be significant…

  54. Richard D.
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    49. I agree.

    I say Jake throws no more than 80 pitches tonight.
    We’re up 7, get Jake the win, but then get him out of there and tell the bullpen to hold the fort, we may very well need Jake again.

  55. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    52: The ‘pen has been up and down, I wouldnt say its the best in MLB, but out back end is very good

  56. Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Way to make a statement tonight.

  57. Schlom
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Not too smart by Blum. I think Peavy is done after the next inning. Not only do you save him for a potential start on the last day of the season, you save his arm for the potential starts in the playoffs.

  58. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Who needs Milton Bradley anyway?

  59. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    57: Do you think Bud is smart enough to do that? I dont…

  60. Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Is Bradley available to PH, Kirk Gibson style?

  61. Richard D.
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    61. on Gibby’s HR, the call “I don’t believe what I just saw” will always be one of the 5 best calls in sports history…

    of course number 1 will always be “Do you believe in miracles? YES!”

  62. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Jake still without a strikeout tonight. He has been pitching efficiently though.

  63. Tom Waits
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    My one post for the night: The strike zone for Ortmeir was “it’s a ball unless he swings.” Three pitches in the zone and all called for balls.

  64. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    The Ole’ Play! LOL

  65. Jefe
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Anybody seen the lineup the Dogs trotted out there tonight? Grady is playing the ‘kids’ tonight…Pierre, Loney, and Ethier are the only regulars. That’s kind of irritating – does he remember that the Rockies are alive and quite well in this race?

  66. I Just Smoked Khalil's Greenes
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    re 61:

    “THE BAND IS ON THE FIELD!”

  67. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    63: I agree, I said earlier he Jake wasnt getting the corners at all.

  68. Schlom
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    A three way tie in the NL East isn’t that unlikely. If the Braves win their last 4 games (@PHI, 3@HOU), the Mets lose their last four (vsWSH, 3vsFLA) and the Phillies lose to the Braves tomorrow and then win 1 of 3 vs WSH all those teams would be tied. Unlikely but possible.

    The NL West will be a lot harder since the Rockies and the Dbacks finish off with 3 in Colorado so they’d have to be an odd number of games each other before they play. If the scores hold tonight, then if the Rockies win and Dbacks lose tomorrow and then the Rockies take 2 of 3 from the Dbacks and the Padres split with the Brewers then they will all tie for the NL West. And then I guess then the Cubs and Brewers could tie for the NL Central league. All 8 or even 6 teams couldn’t tie each other but there could be a ton of playoffs game.

  69. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Does OG look oranger than usual tonight?

  70. Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    wow, keep hitting it to LF

  71. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  72. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    Wow great hitting by Kouz there. He went down and ripped that ball.

  73. I Just Smoked Khalil's Greenes
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    KOUZ! Alright, let’s call it a night for Jake.

  74. Jefe
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Can Kouz be any hotter? Sure is nice running Barry’s azz off for his final game in SF (and possibly his final game against the Pads).

  75. Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    I love it when professional athletes perform some portion of their sport worse than I do. So far I have:

    Shaq’s free throws
    Adrian Gonzalez’ foot speed
    Juan Pierre’s throwing arm
    Barry Bonds’ range

  76. Jefe
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    73: I second that.

  77. Schlom
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    Giles looks funny as hell when he runs because he takes those little strides.

  78. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    75: I still bet you are worse than all of them in those catagories haha

  79. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Bud is gonna have Jake throw 100 pitches, even though he should be out of the game now. 7 runs is enough haha

  80. Eric
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    aw cmon, does peavy really need to pitch this inning?

  81. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    I hope Jake fans Barry here!

  82. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Flied him out!!!!!!!

  83. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    You know Bonds just thanked Jake for going after him all 3 AB’s. Thats the classiest thing he has probably done in his whole life.

  84. Oside Jon
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Back from Back to School Night. Everyone is in good moods……..must mean we ‘re up by a large margin. Let’s cut the throats of every oppponent from here on. Forgive my violence.
    Ha ha. GO PADS

  85. Bruce
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    The Ch4 crew mentioned whether Jake had changed his approach tonight since he had not struck anyone out. In the parts of the game that I have seen, it seemed to me that he might be pitching to contact instead of max-effort on most pitches. Either that or he doesn’t have his best stuff tonight. Does that sound right?

  86. Posted September 26, 2007 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Kind of a cool moment actually, even with my personal disdain for Barry.

    He has moments when he seems human and even kinda fun. But those moments usually just emphasize to me what a jerk he is, and they make me think, “what a waste.”

  87. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    85: He definitely doesnt have the same late movement. He could be doing it be design, he could just not quite have his stuff tonight. Either way he hit his spots and pitched well and we finally gave him some support.

  88. Eric
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Everyone has their bad sides, some are just more visible than others. I don’t think guys like Barry or Bradley are really much worse people than most.

  89. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Jake is hitting… I knew Bud would do this. The only logic I see is saving the ‘pen for Cassel and Maddux and the tough Brewers series.

  90. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Even the Giants announcers are questioning why Jake is still in the game

  91. Bruce
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    65: That lineup the Dodgers trotted out is pathetic. I know they just got eliminated, but they are not doing anyone any favors with their play over the past week. To top it off, after the local media controversy over their “youth movement,” they send out this bunch in a game that has huge playoff implications. Hey guys, you do realize it’s Josh Fogg on the mound? Sheesh.

  92. Schlom
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Looks like Jake’s 3 day rest start against Arizona has convinced Bud that there’s no way he can start again on the final game of the season Or Bud is thinking that the last game of the season isn’t going to matter.

  93. Jefe
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    I think Bud is thinking ahead, just not in the way I thought. He’s trying to save the bully for what will be a hard fought couple of games (at the least) in MIL. However, with an 8-run lead, i’m not sure why Jake is still in there at all.

  94. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Suddenly the zone expands to K giles a a breaker high and outside

  95. Eric
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    I bet Jake’s been chirping to stay in the game for the past 3 innings

  96. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Bud is probably making sure Jake gets enough work that he doesn’t ask publicly to start on short rest again.

    Actually I think he’s trying to save the bullpen and I think it’s the right move.

  97. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    91: Honestly though why should the dodgers care? Its not like the Giants put up a stellar line-up or starter against us

  98. Oside Jon
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    #86: Right on. “What a waste”

    Imagine if he was a great human being who hit 800 HR’s….

  99. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Lets let some of the kids finish it. Macias in CF?

  100. Schlom
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Why do so many people care that Bonds is a jerk? Does it affect you at all? Who cares? Is it jealousy? We don’t know almost anything about his private life except for the things that show him in a negative light (his adultery for example). For all we know he gives away $10m a year to charity.

  101. Rick Schroder (Turbine Dude)
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    A disparaging thought: Against MIL we will have the same officiating crew that brought all of the controversy over Bradley. Will they be on there best behavior because they are now under a microscope or will they be out for revenge?

  102. Jefe
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    91: On the other hand, I bet the Mets are happy to be rid of the Nats (after dropping 5 out of 6 in the last week plus)…props to Washington for playing hard and props to Manny Acta for keeping the regulars in the lineup during the last week and a half.

    Too bad the Dogs completely rolled over for the D-backs and Rockies – their lineup tonight is disgraceful. Grady, you are playing the Giants to close out the season. Play the kiddies then!

  103. I Just Smoked Khalil's Greenes
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Re 100: Is his buddy still in jail so he doesn’t have to testify against him? I forget, since it’s been so long.

  104. Jefe
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Let’s make sure we take the HOT bats with us to MIL. Nice blast by Hairston!

  105. Eric
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    might be one of the best insignificant homerun calls ever: “Scott Hairston…now if that goes out, I’m not even gonna call it.”

  106. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    I love Hairston’s home run swing. I think every homer he’s hit this year has been that easy tomahawk with the top hand coming off.

  107. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    Re: 100
    I have a son who loves baseball with his entire heart and soul. He stands in the living room at the end of games and pretends to be Trevor. He adored our trip to the HOF. He looks up to these players and wants to be like them.

    Therefore, the behavior of a man who has a legitimate claim to the title of greatest player of his era does matter to me.

    And I don’t buy the Charles Barkley argument. Don’t want to be a role model? Don’t take the millions.

  108. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    101: Well Winters got suspended so he wont be there. i think we will actually get more calls because they will be making up for poor decisions from sunday.

  109. Eric
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    does kouz ever make outs anymore?

  110. Eric
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    does bard every make outs anymore?

  111. Stephen
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Froemming is the only guy left. Winters was the 2nd; the other two weren’t part of the crew for the series

  112. Stephen
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Kouz up to .280

  113. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    4 hits for Bardo tonight! 2 for Kouz with 2 RBI’s that puts him at the .280 mark. We have to keep this kid in the lineup next year, he is not a bench player.

  114. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Is Jake done now please?

  115. Schlom
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    103: If he was such a jerk don’t you think that Anderson would roll over on him like Michael Vick’s friends?

  116. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Lane is in RF now.

  117. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    I have been happy with Clark in center. Not quite the threat Cam is or the glove Cam is, but he plays solid defense and hasnt made many mistakes

  118. Schlom
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    The main thing with Bonds is that he’s a jerk to the media therefore are view of him is always going to be skewed. As far as the idolizing thing goes, when you are a little kid you don’t know about players except for what they do on the field and when you get older you know that it doesn’t matter as much. And don’t bring up the whole steroids argument, if you disliked every athlete who didn’t use PED who would you cheer for then?

  119. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    re: 115

    Anderson’s loyalty does not mean that Bonds is a good person. It means that Anderson is loyal. Haven’t you ever known someone that was loyal to a fault?

    Or even someone that got a new girlfriend and blew off everyone he knew? Did that guy’s loyalty to that girl mean she was that great?

  120. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Clark has been a nice pickup. Really, without him we’d be in deep right now. Sometimes the small depth moves like that are the ones that matter the most.

  121. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    118:
    Schlom, I’ve been watching the man’s attitude and body language for twenty years as a season ticket holder and especially since he was a Giant. I’m not basing my opinion on Game of Shadows.

    My son has literally been a season ticket holder his entire life. He knows Trevor only has one kidney. He has pointed out players in restaurants. He knows. Kids usually are more aware of things than we give them credit for…

  122. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    118: when you are a kid you can see he is a jerk to the media and you see all these controversies around him. You see him lying and you see his “friends” going to jail. Plus he cheats at the game you love when your a kid. I’ll bring up the steriods argument because it is part of what makes him a bad role model and makes him and ass. They break down your mind and your body and make you an angy volitile edgy person

    119: hit the nail on the head

  123. dprat
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    107: Really got to disagree with you, Rich. Bonds being the greatest player of my lifetime, maybe ever, and at the same time an apparently (I hesitate to judge from a distance) really bad role model is perhaps a better lesson for our kids. Having one extraordinary talent does not prevent you from being subject to all manner of human foibles. There are tons of examples; a warning to us to keep from making gods of ordinary men. He apparently doesn’t feel he owes baseball fans anything other than his performance on the field. and I tend to think he’s right about that. So he’s a jerk; all the more reason to celebrate those who aren’t.

  124. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    98: I’d imagine that we’d still find all of his flaws and pick them apart.

  125. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Personally I’d rather see Germano go tomorrow for 3 innings and then come out. Just once thru the lineup basically – keep him under 60 pitches which is pretty much before where he usually runs into trouble.

  126. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Cassel, Germano it wont really matter. We are going to have to score runs

  127. Zagz
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    I hope Ledezma is left off the playoff roster.

  128. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    re:123

    dprat, that is a great way to take lemons and make lemonade. But I just see moments like tonight or the way he laughed with Jay Payton on Opening Night 2004 or the hug to Torii Hunter after being robbed in the All Star game and I just wish that Barry could let that side of him out so much more often…

  129. Schlom
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    When you were 8 years old (when you idolized athletes) you didn’t know about off the field stuff. I doubt that many 8 year olds know about Greg Anderson being in jail and Barry’s mistress or the fact that he’s a jerk to writers. When you 14 or 15 you know these thing but by then you don’t care. I’ll admit that it would be better if he was more likable but in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter.

    As far as the steroid use goes, the problem with just singling out Bonds (and the other few that we know about) is that we just don’t know what the other players have and haven’t used. We might find out later that almost everyone used them. If it turns out that Trevor used them (and I’m not saying he has, just an example) would it make him the worst person in the world?

  130. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Ring was more useful than Ledezma I dont understand that trade. How did Startup do?

  131. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Game over. Nice.

  132. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    130 – I think Startup had control issues at PDX.

    Ledezma’s not a bad gamble though. I think he really needs an offseason and spring with the coaches, etc to have a shot.

    Now he’s just eating innings.

  133. SDSUBaseball
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    129: When your 8 and you idolize athletes, you do know about thier off field problems, epecially if you idolize the player. Its all opinion but we can choose to single out Bonds because of the way he conducted himself off the field.

  134. JP
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    This race for the flag is beyond ‘unreal’. This earlier blog says it all:

    If the scores hold tonight, then if the Rockies win and Dbacks lose tomorrow and then the Rockies take 2 of 3 from the Dbacks and the Padres split with the Brewers then they will all tie for the NL West. And then I guess then the Cubs and Brewers could tie for the NL Central league. All 8 or even 6 teams couldn’t tie each other but there could be a ton of playoffs game.

  135. dprat
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Yes, very nice win. I’m hoping Arizona is hearing footsteps. But a win at this time of year when 5 of the other 7 teams with a playoff shot lose is very sweet.

  136. Posted September 26, 2007 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    re:129
    Eight years old was 33 years ago for me. I don’t remember what I knew then.

    But my son knows what steroids are, and he knows Barry has used them. (please remember that barry does not deny using them, only states he was unaware that was the contents of the Cream and the Clear). Nor have I hid from him that Phil Nevin, Ryan Klesko and Brain Giles may have as well.

    My son’s sports idols are Tony Gwynn, Trevor Hoffman and L.T. I have to say, I like his choices.

  137. kc in sd
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    someone just posted (10 minutes ago) on Baseball Think Factory that Peavy is penciled in to go on Sunday against the Brewers. There was no source. Anyone have any idea about this?

  138. Daniel
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Why is there Bonds idolatry floating through the IGD, it’s disrupting my post-game scan

  139. kc in sd
    Posted September 26, 2007 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    ok, the source is mlb.com on their probable pitchers page. any thoughts…

  140. Oside Jon
    Posted September 27, 2007 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    136: Rich, Those are good idols.

    129: The bottom line is kids do look up to these players no matter what us grown ups write on this blog. I think it’s good to point out the ones that are bad role models. Barry or Trevor? No question.

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