Padres (22-34) @ Giants (23-32)
Josh Banks vs Patrick Misch
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Banks makes his second big-league start. Pads have won four out of five. Baby steps…
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Last night was San Diego’s fifth game of at least 13 innings this season. The Padres are the first team in major league history to play five games of at least 13 innings before the end of May.
The long road back to respectability. The Pads have been getting some good pitching minus two of their best starters in Peavy and Young.
We (I) can rag on a guy like 30 year old journeyman Mike Adams but he looked pretty damn decent last night. Did you see that 12-6 curveball he threw last night to strike out Castillo ?
Glendon Rusch gets the start for the Rox and gets rocked.
Is Rusch better than Estes ?
On the post game show last night, they showed the aftermath of Pmac’s first inning blunder. First Giles followed him down the tunnell, then Maddux went off on him, then he walked away while Bud was trying to talk to him.
Not all that familiar with what’s going on in the Rockies farm system
but heard all off season how far ahead they ahead of the Pads in terms of depth. Don’t they have any other options outside of Glendon Rusch as a starter ?
Reliever Guevara coming up; Estes has apparent setback
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/padres/2008/may/31/guevara-padres/
Will Baek get Estes starting spot in rotation ?
#4@Field39:I missed the beginning of last night’s game what did Pmac do in the first?
#8@Steve C:
He forgot how many outs there were. Thought it was 3 outs, hesitated, and a runner on 3rd tagged and scored. PMac threw home but not in time.
#7@JP: Estes broke his thumb when he fell down some stairs. Tough luck. I’m guessing Baek gets his spot in the rotation. He looked really good last night. I had read that he had about five pretty good pitches and he showed at least three of those last night. A fastball clocked about 91 mph, a good changeup, good slider, and I think he threw a split-finger. I might be wrong, though. The slider/split-finger could have been the same pitch but whatever he was throwing had some serious drop to it.
Cubs beat the Rocks 5-4. Nice.
I am soooo pissed off at Fox network. They have blacked out 4 games today to bring us the Dodger/Mets game. MLB.com is all blacked out. Grrrrrrr. “You bastards! You killed Kenny!”
How in the world can we not get this game on TV? Really? Honestly? It’s 2008, we can’t put all games on TV? Stupid exclusive Fox Saturday baseball contract.
No matter how critical I’ve been of Estes, I’d never want that to happen.
Hopefully the PMac incident will be a learning experience, because he can still be part of a good team.
Way to go Agon!!!
Leitner’s right (not that I enjoy admitting that) “What next?” Estes falls down the dugout stairs! Back to my bad luck/no luck statement last night. 6 of 10, the division struggles, AZ’s Byrns pulls both hamstrings (ouch!), CO looks to get swept by the Cubbies (can’t wait to run into that buzz-saw next week @ PetCo), but it sounds like they’re off to a great start tonite. Picking up right where they left off last night. Lets Go Padres!
Time to make up for that 0-6, triple play showing last night, Kouz.
Kouz!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice!
ehhh, tonite=today (habit)
#14@Tom Waits: I am actually now seeing PMAC as a good guy off the bench late as a pinch hitter. You love a guy in the role who has a decent shot to get on base and has a little punch.
And Kouz didn’t hit into a triple play
what did Kouz do? Gameday is stuck.
Huber. Who’d thunk it?
#22@Kelly in SD: We are all in the same boat.
What did Huber do? Gameday is still stuck on Greene
#22@Kelly in SD: Hit your F5 key on Game Day
I thought someone had the radio on. My wife and son are napping so no radio for me.
gotta like 4-0 score so far…..to bad I can’t see it.
OK GameDay sucks.
It looks like Misch isn’t fooling anyone. 9 hitters and only 26 pitches.
I’m tempted to say Greene needs a day off, but he’s the kind of a hitter who seems to just go off for no reason despite being 0-90 the previous month.
#27@Kelly in SD: I’m listening on Cox channel 960 XX Sports Radio and am in ESPN.com gamecast. This sucks. At least we have a 4 run lead.
#29@Turbine Dude: Kinda off topic here but, how do you add a an avatar/photo to this forum?
Banks pitch-by-pitch to Lewis looks like buckshot.
First two down. Banks impressed me on Sunday. I just want to see an easy win today.
#34@Kelly in SD: Lulled him into a false sense of security.
#33@130tom330: Scroll up to post #3 (JP) and to the right there is a link. Mind you, it takes about 30 min. for it to kick in.
That’s how you pitch with a 4 run lead.
Anyone able to see the video of key at-bats on GameDay?
#38@Tom Waits: NO! I’m pissed Tom. Pls. don’t accelerate it.
I wonder how Agon got his bat on pitch 3 of that at-bat, which appears to have ended up in Oakland.
The video option in the top left of the box score is working for me. You can see the three rbi hits.
As much as I complain about the Padres “Triple A” players being in the starting lineup — at least they aren’t the Giants. Seriously, is this one of the worst infields in major league history? How does Brian Sabean have a job? I’ve never been in baseball management but at least I’m smart enough to know that a player that isn’t good enough to play 2B for the Pirates shouldn’t be my starting 3B. At least Denker, Burriss and Bowker are young but I don’t think any of them are real prospects.
#40@Tom Waits: Reminds me of the story about Berra hitting a homer off an attempted intentional walk pitch.
Wow, I really wanna watch th Mets and the dogs on TV, fox. Something screwy there. 4 runs in the first is nice.
#31@Tom Waits: Greene is an automatic strikeout right now. He brings so much defensively and the Padre margin is so thin that you have to have him out there everyday though.
To his credit, he does not slump in the field. He is truly one of the best shortstops I have ever seen.
Who would win in a fight? Leitner or Masur? Sometimes Uncle Teddy harasses Masur too much and I keep thinking brawl. Obviously I’m kidding here, maybe Leitner is just hazing him.
#42@Schlom: Are we not one or two injuries and a rest day away from an infield of Myrow, Egon, Stansberry, and Ciofrone ?
I know it’s a very small sample to draw from so far, but how can you not love what Josh Banks has been bringing to this pitching staff? He threw 8 scoreless innings over two days, with 6 in that 18-inning game against Cincy, and now he’s showing how to protect a nice comfy lead. I’m sure he’ll get knocked around one of these days, but for now this kid’s been a sight for sore eyes.
#47@JP: Well, not really. If Kouz gets injured they’d put Headley in there so they’d have at least one player of promise plus Antonelli, even slumping at Portland, has more potential then the Giants players.
The difference is that the Giants don’t have the injury excuse, just the incompetent GM excuse — which isn’t really an excuse.
The Giants entire roster is almost totally devoid of talent or potential. Molina is the only player that would probably start for the Padres although Rowand is certainly good enough but I wouldn’t take him because of his contract. Lewis might be better then Hairston but probably wouldn’t start ahead of Headley. Obviously Lincecum and Cain are studs and Sanchez isn’t terrible but that’s it. How the Padres are behind them is a mystery to me.
Did it work???
#47@JP: Most teams are, if you take away 2 starters with injuries and rest the others. Take 2 starters out of Arizona’s infield, give Jackson a day off, and they’re running Burke, Hammock, and Augie Ojeda out there. Hammock’s 84 is the best career OPS of the trio.
#50@130tom330: Hey Tom.
Let’s work the count some in the 5th. Banks saw more pitches than Hairston and Egon combined in the 4th. Misch should be around 90 pitches now and putting Bochy in a tough spot, let him suffer or drain the bullpen more for tomorrow’s game.
#48@Stephen: Agree. So far his peripherals look okay, too. Cut down on the walks, but that hasn’t been a problem for him in the past.
#49@Schlom: Winn or Rowand would start for us, talent, not contracts.
#53@Tom Waits: I was thinking the same thing. We need more runs off of Misch and force Bochy’s hand! And then on to tomorrow and a sweep.
Gotta run for awhile. Go Padres !!
#39@Turbine Dude: Sweet!! Thanks for the help. Now y’all can curse my image, not just my idiotic commentary. Like you said, it only took 3 innings/30 min.
#55@130tom330: great, now get off the phone !
#53@Tom Waits: Forgot about Winn as I was comparing straight across positions and he’s not as good as Giles. However, he wouldn’t start ahead of Headley when he comes up. Add in the fact that he’s owed $8.25m for 2009 and a limited no-trade clause I don’t think he has too much value.
#56@JP: Multi-tasking, trying to call up Headley.
Josh Banks ??
I wonder what AGon’s avg is whenever EGon is on base? Maybe have EGon as a pinch runner everytime his brother is at bat!
Banks, 7 innings, 70 pitches, 47 strikes, 23 balls, 3 hits, 4 Ks, no walks, 9 GO, 8 FO, and 3 singles.
8 innings, 83 pitches, 56 strikes, 27 balls, 4 hits, 5 Ks, no walks, 9 GO, 10 FO
#48@Stephen:
Now that’s just rude, which is to say nothing of your post.
Is this better? C’mon Josh, let’s see that shutout!
2 outs to go
Why’d the Blue Jays get rid of this guy? He’s got some outstanding stuff
one more out
Dammit, Aaron Rowand spoils it.
#55@130tom330: Glad to help.
I’m really happy we are just about to win this game.
I’m also going to send some very nast e-mails to MLB and Fox for screwing us. I don’t understand how Fox stands to profit by not letting us watch the game.
game over baby!!! Padres have won 2 series in a row, three games in a row, that’s a winning streak baby!!!
Complete game for Banks! Well done today. Gonna need a ton of starting pitching the next few weeks, good to have confidence in a new arm. Great game today, Go Pads. Three in a row, for the 1st time this season, ’bout time boys! How ’bout a sweep to turn it around…
We win! Woohoo. We didn’t get to see it, but it happened. Sorry GY, but FUCK Fox!
The Paaaaddddrrrreeeessss win. One more and we’re in 3rd. This division is bad.
#72@Turbine Dude: Dude, take a look at the comments policy and chill on the language.
Great job by Banks. Too bad he couldn’t get the shutout, but what a great accomplishment to get a complete game W!
#74@Pat: Sorry Pat. I wish I could take that post back. But, I am stewing over this issue. I very rarely lose my temper. This has steam pouring out of my ears like a WB cartoon caractor.
Yet another quality start for a Padres starter.
#3@JP: You asked “Is Rusch better than Estes?” … what would make you ask that question? The Padres released Rusch and kept Estes … and based on what I saw of both of them, and based on what I heard from friends who saw Rusch more than I did, it doesn’t seem close … ie. Estes seems right now (well, before the broken thumb) to be much, much better than Rusch … not that that makes Estes very good … more an indicator of how bad Rusch is at this time …
Jim Callis @ BA said this in a chat today …
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/chat/2008/266221.html
Q: Marco from San Diego asks:
Jim, The Padres are slugging it out for last place right now, do you think they should continue to do so, because I hear this local kid, Stephen Strasburg, is something really special?
A: Jim Callis: He is something special, a San Diego State sophomore righty who has blown away hitters all year. But it’s hard to tank for four months, and even so, it might be hard to keep the No. 1 pick from the Royals.
… which strikes me as quite practical. In other words, our recent comments about it being better to win 65 and get the first pick rather than 75 and gets a lower pic were just theoretical / hypothetical chatter … as it seems clear to me that the Giants also have a lock on a lower place in the standings than the Padres …
I forgot that today’s was John Sickels’ mock draft …
http://www.minorleagueball.com/
23) San Diego: Jake Odorizzi, RHP, Illinois HS
42) Padres: Tyler Ladendorf, SS, Howard TX JC
46) Padres: Chris Carpenter, RHP, Kent State
69) Padres: Tyler Chatwood, RHP, California HS
101) Padres: Brett Hunter, RHP, Pepperdine
111) Padres: Jake Jefferies, C, UC Davis
135) Padres: Jeremy Hamilton, 1B, Wright State
165) Padres: Aaron King, LHP, Surrey CC
… fyi.
#80@LynchMob: Here’s a few comments, questions, and answers from the Mock Draft Post-Mortem thread …
Padres
Had lots of picks:
23. Jake Odorizzi, RHP, Illinois HS
42. Tyler Ladendorf, SS, Howard TX JC
46. Chris Carpenter, RHP, Kent State
69. Tyler Chatwood, RHP, California HS
101. Brett Hunter, RHP, Pepperdine
111. Jake Jefferies, C, UC Davis
135. Jeremy Hamilton, 1B, Wright State
165. Aaron King, LHP, Surrey CC
by jeck on May 31, 2008 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Overall
looks interesting … although you went heavy on arms, and with their system as it is, I’m curious if there were any OF’s you considered, along with middle infielders?
by toonsterwu on May 31, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree
what the Padres need is hitting, and lots of it.
To me, it was the wrong approach.
by batonball on May 31, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s fine
But I’m a firm believer in taking the best player available.
by jeck on May 31, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
I considered Collier at 23, but I like Odorizzi too much to pass on him. Collier would have been the pick if he was off the board. I also love Brett Lawrie, but he was gone.
I was looking at David Cooper in the supplemental round, but he went right in front of me.
Overall though, I think I just liked the arms in this draft a lot more than the bats.
by jeck on May 31, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#80@LynchMob: Here was the Sickels’ First Round …
1) Tampa Bay: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vandy
Chicago WS: Kyle Skipworth, C, California HS
2) Pittsburgh: Tim Beckham, SS, Georgia HS
3) Kansas City: Justin Smoak, 1B, South Carolina
4) Baltimore: Eric Hosmer, 1B, Florida HS
5) San Francisco: Yonder Alonso, 1B, Miami-Florida
6) Florida: Buster Posey, C, Florida State
7) Cincinnati: Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia
9) Washington: Brian Matusz, LHP, San Diego
10) Houston: Aaron Crow, RHP, Missouri
11) Texas: Ethan Martin, RHP, Georgia HS
12) Oakland: Aaron Hicks, OF, California HS
13) St. Louis: Christian Friedrich, LHP, Eastern Kentucky
14) Minnesota: Brett Wallace, 3B, Arizona State
15) LA Dodgers: Tim Melville, RHP, Missouri HS
16) Milwaukee: Shooter Hunt, RHP, Tulane
17) Toronto: Brett Lawrie, OF, Canada SS
18) NY Mets: Jason Castro, C, Stanford
19) Chicago Cubs: Gerrit Cole, RHP, California HS
20) Seattle: Tanner Scheppers, RHP, Fresno State
21) Detroit: Josh Fields, RHP, Georgia
22) NY Mets: Ike Davis, 1B, Arizona State
23) San Diego: Jake Odorizzi, RHP, Illinois HS
24) Philadelphia: Tyson Ross, RHP, California
25) Colorado: Jemile Weeks, 2B, Miami-Florida
26) Arizona: Anthony Hewitt, SS-OF, Connecticut HS
27) Minnesota: Reese Havens, SS, South Carolina
28) NY Yankees: Zach Collier, OF, California HS
29) Cleveland: Andrew Cashner, RHP, TCU
30) Boston: Casey Kelly, SS, Florida HS
… several of the names now a bit familiar thanks to GY’s reports … I’m still hoping Ike Davis falls to #23 …
#76@Turbine Dude: Cool, man; I know I’ve wanted to take some posts back before, too.
OT … you can follow the college regional games at
http://www.ncaa.com/Sport/ScoreBoard.aspx?sid=700&id=98
USC (called SD St at this web site
) plays Fresno St at 6pm … after beating Cal 5-0 yesterday …
http://www.ncaa.com/baseball/article.aspx?id=254942
#84@LynchMob: Ah, interesting that now they’ve fixed “SD St” to simply say “San Diego” … bravo …
From Friar John Blog …
Bases-loaded walk and a hit-by-pitch in the 13th inning? Things are starting to fall the Padres’ way. You can read about their victory Friday night at San Francisco on padres.com.
Since a 4-2 loss at home against Colorado on May 9, the Padres have gone 10-10. That not only indicates improvement by a team that suffered a 12-24 start, but it’s also the best record in the National League West in that time.
The division performance since May 9:
Team W-L
Padres 10-10
Giants 9-10
Dodgers 8-11
D’backs 7-12
Rockies 5-14
Kouzmanoff in May: 282/325/491
Adrian in May: 283/347/628
Giles for the season: 301/406/440
Adrian has played every game. Greene has missed one. Kouzmanoff has missed one. That has to be a concern over the season.
Josh Banks pitched a compelte game, something Peavy didn’t do last season when he won the Cy Young Award.
Peavy turned 27 today.
Looks like the run Banks gave up was unearned. I didn’t notice that before. So his ERA is 0.00.
#78@LynchMob: Schlom had indicated that Estes was the worst starter in all of the majors = and many on this blog had even questioned whether Estes should be in the big leagues at all.
A very nice outing by Banks! Great win to take the series from the Giants. I hope it continues.
#86@LynchMob : It will be quite a test the next two – versus Lincecum & Zambrano – win these two and it could really set them on a roll