In-Game Discussion: Padres vs White Sox (10 Jun 2005)
Fri, Jun 10, 2005
by Geoff Young
first pitch: 7:05 p.m., PT
television: Channel 4
matchup: Woody Williams (2-3, 4.46 ERA) vs Jon Garland (9-2, 3.40 ERA)
The Padres salvaged the finale of a three-game series against the Indians behind seven shutout innings from Adam Eaton, who also drove in a run at the plate. The emergence of Eaton this year has been one of the keys to San Diego’s success thus far.
Next up, the White Sox. There’s really not much to go on with the head-to-head matchups, and to be honest, I’m kinda fried from the week. Go read the chat Vince and I had about the series, if you haven’t already; it’s all pretty much there.
If you’re stuck for ideas, why not continue yesterday’s discussion of Bobby Abreu and Brian Giles as potential future HOFers? FWIW, I like Abreu’s chances better because of his age. Off the top of my head, I’d think that Giles would have to play at a high level into his 40s to have a shot. Doesn’t strike me as likely, but you never know.
Anyway, enough of the HOF; let’s see if the Pads can get a win tonight.
Errata, Corrigenda, and Other Latin Words
In Wednesday’s In-Game Discussion I said, while talking about the Padres 1996 draft, “I believe Jason Middlebrook (ninth round) is the only guy who ever sniffed the big leagues.”
Jonathan of PDX Beavers fame wrote in to set the record straight, and for this I am grateful:
You missed only one guy - the Pads 15th round pick that year, Steve Watkins, one of my favorite Beavers pitchers of the last few years.
Watkins had a cup of coffee with the Pads last year (11 games), but is now ironically with the Indians system. He’s in AAA currently, and pitching OK. He had a very good spring with Cleveland and I expect he’ll get another look in the bigs at some point this year.
Also, catcher Brian Loyd was their 5th round pick that year - maybe the most brutal Beavers hitter of the last 5 years. Oh man, he was overmatched at AAA, never got beyond that point.
Of course, how could I have forgotten Watkins? And Loyd, for that matter; he’s the guy the Padres sent to Toronto in exchange for a washed-up Randy Myers. The one other interesting name from the 1996 draft was Vernon Maxwell. I say “interesting” because not only does he share the same name as a pretty good basketball player, but also he was part of the deal that sent Hideki Irabu to the Yankees.
Thanks again for the heads-up, Jonathan. And if any of you haven’t visited PDX Beavers, be sure to do so. That’s your source for info on the Padres Triple-A affiliate in Portland.
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June 10, 2005 at 1:23 am
The conversation with Vince was pretty interesting. As for Abreu and Giles, I believe Marc over at Beyond the Box Score has covered both.
June 10, 2005 at 8:02 am
Richard B. Wade - can you provide us with a URL?
June 10, 2005 at 12:50 pm
It’s worth noting that Marc’s cat is named Brian Giles:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c.....3659/62718
June 10, 2005 at 1:26 pm
Speaking of Eaton, here’s a nice writeup:
http://www.baseballmuse.com/20.....ision.html
June 10, 2005 at 2:24 pm
Has anyone noticed Sean Burroughs leading NL 3B in Fielding Win Shares?
June 10, 2005 at 3:16 pm
Great stuff Richard. I think it still may be a tough hall for Giles though since he was so overlooked during his prime. That, and the fact most Hall voters still think JAWS is a movie.
June 10, 2005 at 3:17 pm
I pointed that out yesterday, Richard. But, yes, I was impressed by that. As much heat as he has taken for having no pop, he has been very valuable defensively.
June 10, 2005 at 3:49 pm
Carillo’s defense and offense let him down today … http://ncaasports.com/baseball.....super05/01 … Nebraska beats Miami to win game 1 of their Super Regional 3-2 …
June 10, 2005 at 4:00 pm
And Chase Headley played today … going 0-for-2 with 2 BBs in UTenn’s game vs Ga Tech … http://ncaasports.com/baseball.....sh_rate=60
June 10, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Here’s a note about the guy we almost drafted instead of Tim Stauffer … from BA’s Daily Dish …
Tigers righthander Kyle Sleeth will miss the rest of the season after having Tommy John surgery today in Detroit. Sleeth, a first-rounder in 2003 out of Wake Forest, has not pitched this season. He reached Double-A Erie last season in his first year as a pro, going 4-4, 6.30 with 57 strikeouts in 80 innings.
June 10, 2005 at 4:38 pm
And I just noticed our 10th round pick (Josh Alley) also plays for U-Tenn … went 0-for-5 hitting leadoff today
June 10, 2005 at 6:09 pm
A minor transaction mentioned in my Portland Beavers’ game day email …
LHP Scott Stewart was signed after being recently released by the New York Mets, where he had been pitching for their Triple-A Norfolk affiliate.
… at one point, Stewart was looking promising … http://www.baseball-reference......sc01.shtml … 17 saves for the 2002 Expos …
June 10, 2005 at 6:11 pm
Farm Report … also from the Beavers’ game day email …
In the 22 games since May 20, right fielder Ben Johnson is hitting .390, with 10 home runs and 20 runs batted in. … Entering play on May 12, infielder J.J. Furmaniak was hitting just .214, with no home runs and two runs batted in. Since then, he’s hitting .357 with nine round-trippers and 25 knocked home.
… it’s all about depth … on the big-league level … and down on the farm!
June 10, 2005 at 7:09 pm
Hey ducksnort fans, let talk ball as it happens. This the idea of these Padre blogs, no?
Its friday night, I just enjoyed a martini and some homemade pizza made by the wife. We are listening Elvis Classic in Netscape radio (http://netscaperadio.com)and watching the bluehats and whitesox on channel 4. Kids are hanging out, no homework, no bath….I’m free.
Come on padre fans, let talk padre baseball.
Padre Mike
June 10, 2005 at 7:19 pm
Pitching stats after first inning …
Pitches-strikes - J Garland 10-6; W Williams 8-5.
Ground balls-fly balls - J Garland 1-2; W Williams 1-2.
Batters faced - J Garland 3; W Williams 3.
… good start for Woody!
June 10, 2005 at 7:25 pm
Well, guess I’m talking to myself, nothing new.
First inning went well.
Second inning, and we have a WS rally. You can see why these guys are tops in the majors, patient at the plate, Three singles in a row, one run scored. Learn somethng padre slugger. Two singles in a row, scores a run. Wow, what a concept.
June 10, 2005 at 7:34 pm
Hey Padre Mike … I’m up here in Oregon … so no-can-see the game … Yahoo has this for the Sox’ 2nd run …
J. Garland singled to right, J. Uribe scored, J. Crede out at third
… what was the “out at third” like?
June 10, 2005 at 7:35 pm
Bottom of 2nd …
- B. Giles walked
- P. Nevin lined out to left
- R. Hernandez grounded into double play second to shortstop to first, B. Giles out at second
After 2 full … here’s pitching stats …
Pitches-strikes - J Garland 22-12; W Williams 30-21.
Ground balls-fly balls - J Garland 3-3; W Williams 3-2.
Batters faced - J Garland 6; W Williams 9.
June 10, 2005 at 7:42 pm
Hernandez took a throw to the plate from Giles that was late then fired to third to get the runner who up-ended Bouorghs who held the ball anyways.
Dude, that is a SoCal phrase, check out http://www.padres.com and click Gameday. Opens a very cool java thingy that has the entire game on it. Very neat, especially for the deskbound corporate office worker during a day game, or for the the Padre fan out of state.
June 10, 2005 at 7:44 pm
Bot, WS look very business like. One run at a time-type of team. Tough
June 10, 2005 at 7:48 pm
Thru 3 …
Pitches-strikes - J Garland 37-21; W Williams 42-28.
Ground balls-fly balls - J Garland 4-3; W Williams 4-3.
Batters faced - J Garland 9; W Williams 12.
June 10, 2005 at 7:52 pm
LM, are you watching in Gameday? Good placeto get that type of info.
June 10, 2005 at 7:52 pm
I understand “Dude”
… but what does “Bot” mean?
June 10, 2005 at 7:53 pm
typo. did I mention the martinis?
June 10, 2005 at 7:54 pm
I’ve got the Gameday thing going … it’s good … sportsline.com has a good looker too …
June 10, 2005 at 7:55 pm
looks like we are well on the way to another shutout..
offense is a strange animal, when its sleeping, its hard to wake up, but when it wakes up it roars..
still sleeping today..
anyone got a prodding stick? or some dynomite?
June 10, 2005 at 8:00 pm
Anyone else listening to the Sox announcers? They have to be the most arrogant ones I have heard in a while. This fast start has gone to their heads
June 10, 2005 at 8:02 pm
Ouch … strike ‘em out (Klesko) … throw ‘em out (Blum) … to end the bottom of 4th …
Pitches-strikes - J Garland 51-30; W Williams 55-34.
Ground balls-fly balls - J Garland 4-4; W Williams 4-6.
Batters faced - J Garland 12; W Williams 15.
June 10, 2005 at 8:03 pm
The offense may be sleeping Hank, but I don’t fancy our chances of them waking up any time in the next three games. These Sox pitchers have been great so far this season.
June 10, 2005 at 8:04 pm
Woody gets the # 7-8-9 guys very quick & clean this time …
June 10, 2005 at 8:05 pm
And, of course I appreciate Bochy trying to make something happen, but starting a slow runner on first with a 3-2 count and one away is a not a good move.
June 10, 2005 at 8:09 pm
wouldnt surprise me if these guys were spending their mornings hitting 18 holes. I expect they feel that they can still do that like when they were 20 and not take away anything from their baseball effectiveness. sure would help explain the home offensive drought.
June 10, 2005 at 8:10 pm
dang, there goes the no hitter..
June 10, 2005 at 8:12 pm
I would want to say that they still can’t see the ball that well here, but other than the batter’s eye problems in the day, they have never said such things, and the other team never seems to have a problem smoking the ball. It is still very much a mental thing. Plus this team loses a lot of their patience I think I home.
June 10, 2005 at 8:13 pm
Another first pitch swinger. *Sigh* This game is going to end 2-0.
June 10, 2005 at 8:13 pm
at least they kept the shutout going..
June 10, 2005 at 8:15 pm
After 5 full …
Pitches-strikes - J Garland 68-41; W Williams 65-41.
Ground balls-fly balls - J Garland 6-5; W Williams 4-8.
Batters faced - J Garland 16; W Williams 18.
… Woody’s thrown fewer pitches!
June 10, 2005 at 8:17 pm
Wonder if Woody is on a pitch limit?
June 10, 2005 at 8:18 pm
Wow, top of 6th was quick … 7 pitches … come on offense!
June 10, 2005 at 8:20 pm
Arizona St goes up 2-1 on Fullerton St .. after 4 innings … I’m rootin’ for the Pac-10 to send 2 teams to Omaha … Go Beavs!
http://ncaasports.com/baseball.....board/div1
June 10, 2005 at 8:21 pm
PH here? I know Woody’s on fire … but …
June 10, 2005 at 8:22 pm
Ah, good for Woody …
Woody Williams singles on a fly ball to right
He’s doing the full Adam Eaton impersonation
June 10, 2005 at 8:24 pm
Burroughs has to be in the 7 or 8 spot in the lineup … ug
June 10, 2005 at 8:25 pm
Burroughs is completely useless at the plate. His fielding is good but something is definitely wrong with his batting. The way I see it the Padres have two options, either put him on the DL and let him get completely healthy or send him down to the minors to work on his batting. With their offense in this little funk they just can’t survive with Burroughs batting.
June 10, 2005 at 8:26 pm
He’s killing us. I almost would rather see DJ leading off and playing second with Blum playing third while Roberts is sidelined. I know Burroughs’ glove has contributed this year, but he had done nothing at the plate to deserve regular playing time, especially at the top of the order.
June 10, 2005 at 8:29 pm
Blum at least saw 9 pitches … after 6 full …
Pitches-strikes: Garland 87-54, Williams, W 72-46.
Ground outs-fly outs: Garland 7-6, Williams, W 6-10.
Batters faced: Garland 20, Williams, W 21.
… maybe chase Garland next inning?
June 10, 2005 at 8:31 pm
Twins tie up game with Dogs … it’s 4-4 in top of 3rd up there …
June 10, 2005 at 8:31 pm
I wish we could chase Garland, but at this rate I expect Garcia and Hydzu back by the end of the weekend to “shake things up.” Hey it worked once right? I said it before, this team shows very little patience at home outside of Roberts, Klesko and Giles atm.
June 10, 2005 at 8:32 pm
A major problem with Burroughs is the way he’s regressed at the plate since his rookie year. Baseball people have said the power is the last thing that young players develop and after hitting 7 in 2003 I think people were hopeful that he could be up to 15 or so by now which with his defense would be acceptable. However he only hit 2 last year and looks like he’ll have trouble matching that this year. That’s why I think they need to send him down to work on his power stroke. Remember when people were comparing him to Hank Blalock? Sigh….
June 10, 2005 at 8:32 pm
Snakes whupin’ KC 11-2 in bottom of 5th … Zach Grienke with a HR … the kid can do it ALL!
June 10, 2005 at 8:32 pm
dang that burroughs is sure killing us..
yall forget about the triple the other night?
June 10, 2005 at 8:33 pm
I am actually wishing to listen to Flannery right now. These Sox announcers are the biggest homers I have heard in a while.
June 10, 2005 at 8:35 pm
It’s easy to forget about that triple when the following 50 ABs involve a short pop up to shallow left. Also forgot about the triple because if I recall the next three batters left him there.
June 10, 2005 at 8:36 pm
Hey Hey Giles heating up, two homers in two days. Let’s chase this guy now.
June 10, 2005 at 8:37 pm
Ryno doesn’t take a strike …
June 10, 2005 at 8:40 pm
Cesar was awesome - I should have the interview & article posted
*missed the tag!*
…on monday-tuesday
June 10, 2005 at 8:40 pm
Bad baserunning there.
June 10, 2005 at 8:41 pm
Ramon swings at first strike … who do these guys think they are, Brian Giles?
June 10, 2005 at 8:41 pm
I always thought you were taught to slide to the opposite side of the bag from the fielder but I never played the game so what do I now?
However, it looks like he was probably safe though…..
June 10, 2005 at 8:42 pm
Peter - lookin’ forward to it! How’d you arrange that?
June 10, 2005 at 8:42 pm
Bang Bang play with no good angle to tell. Call could have gone either way.
June 10, 2005 at 8:43 pm
DAMN, if Nevin stays at second, we trail by one.
June 10, 2005 at 8:43 pm
I have my ways
June 10, 2005 at 8:43 pm
So long, Boch!
Garland over 100 pitches now …
June 10, 2005 at 8:44 pm
I arranged it through the U. Miami Athletic Dept.
June 10, 2005 at 8:44 pm
Key AB for Khilil … who will PH, if we get there?
June 10, 2005 at 8:45 pm
pitch 2 was a strike - #3 was off the plate…
June 10, 2005 at 8:47 pm
Anyone know where Padres rank in # of base-runners thrown out? Those are killer!
June 10, 2005 at 8:47 pm
missed DP vs. Cubs, missed call against Phil vs. Chi-Sox, wide Garland K-zone (I just turned on the game, how consistent has the strike zone been tonight?) - what is it with umps and chicago teams?
June 10, 2005 at 8:48 pm
Thru 7 full … score 3-1 …
Pitches-strikes: Garland 108-68, Williams, W 81-53.
Ground outs-fly outs: Garland 7-8, Williams, W 8-11.
Batters faced: Garland 26, Williams, W 25.
… send Woody back out? I ’spose … but it ain’t obvious …
June 10, 2005 at 8:51 pm
Short leash … yank Woody! Let’s get the pen in there … we can get 2 more runs!
June 10, 2005 at 8:52 pm
Woody deserved better. He’s looked solid since coming off the DL.
June 10, 2005 at 8:53 pm
Ru-dy! Ru-dy! Ru-dy!
June 10, 2005 at 8:56 pm
ug … i know that’s in depth and insightful … but that’s ‘nuf said …
June 10, 2005 at 8:57 pm
man! - ugh!!!
June 10, 2005 at 8:57 pm
Is the infield playing in? Can’t tell that from Gamecaster
June 10, 2005 at 8:57 pm
Litterally threw the game away.
June 10, 2005 at 9:02 pm
I’m outta here … got a 0615 tee time … and tix to OSU vs USC tomorrow night … Buck vs Kennedy … the 2 best pitchers in the Pac-10!
Time for some rally caps! Get the out shileleigh (sp?)!!!
June 10, 2005 at 9:23 pm
That Nevin baserunning error and the WP by Seanez are huge, otherwise this game would be tied.
June 10, 2005 at 9:50 pm
Well, once again we did not hit. Someimes, its the pitcher, but who can tell with these fickle hitters.
We are still ice cold with the bats. Maybe Giles can lead us out of out hitting slump as before.
Nevin looked out by a whisker. The throw beat him and most umpires rely on that to indicate the call.
Boch got tossed, good for him.
Woody pitched well enough to win, but our hitters let us down again.
Millions of dollars a year, big houses, any car the want, any toy they want, and they can’t hit the f____ing baseball. If I performed so poorly at work, I would be fired.
A bitter Padre Mike
Luckily, tomorrow is another day.
June 11, 2005 at 9:35 am
Tough game. Chicago definitely doesn’t give you anything. Patient hitters, few walks allowed, solid defense. Played close enough to win, but the keys:
Nevin getting thrown out; if I was a CWS fan, I would say good call; very, very close, but they go that way sometimes. What annoys me about the play is that Nevin was jogging into second, saw the bobble and then sped up. If he running hard the whole way, takes a turn, and sees the bobble, he is in easily. Seems like a Nevin thing; don’t have to be all out all the time. OK, but don’t arbitrarily decide you are Charlie Hustle and then get thrown out at a horrible time.
The catch by Rowan. That after some questionable calls on Greene by the HPU.
AJ Piezrn-whatever’s HR. Woody was cruising; if he doesn’t give that up, we are in this.
The passed ball hurt, but 1rst and 3rd and no outs usually yields a run. The fact that it was a PB/WP and 3k’s hurts, but tough to expect too much differently.
To keep rambling, I am wondering if teams are adjusting to the Padres hitting style. I would argue they have been pretty patient, but I am seeing a lot of first and second pitch strikes thrown against the Padres. Being patient is good, but if they are throwing meatballs on pitch 1, I can understand the swinging. And I do think it depends on the hitters. Some just look bad on two strikes (Burroughs, Nevin); others seem to keep their approach intact, trusting their eye (Giles, Klesko).
One final note: did a base on balls beat up Nevin as a kid? He won’t let them walk him.