Padres (24-37) vs Mets (30-28)
Josh Banks vs Mike Pelfrey
7:05 p.m. PT
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Two teams that totally blew a playoff berth in 2007 square off in the first of four at Petco Park. The most successful member of the Padres patchwork rotation starts the opener.
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Nice first pick by the Padres. Anybody know who else they picked?
The UT has a list
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/news/2008/jun/05/padres-draft-1b-allen-dykstra-search-petco-park-po/
#2@parlo: Thank you for the link.
Nice first inning for Banks. Is everyone too exhausted from the draft to watch the game tonight?
That was ugly.
Maybe we shouldnt Hit & Run with poor contact hitters at the plate.
Blown Hit & Run and a K, nice start.
#5@parlo: Iguchi, is supposed to be a contact hitter.
#7@Field39: Giles is the only hitter I would trust with a H&R.
Nice hit and Hustle PMAC.
As Jerry Coleman would say: “McAnaulty slides into Second with a stand up double! Oh, Doctor!”
What is the deal with Banks? He can’t be this good.
Nice stop by Banks! That would have been a base hit if it had got by him.
Hang a star on that play.
#11@Field39: He is definitely pitching above his career numbers thats for sure.
Congrats Josh Banks! 1st base hit in the ML.
GOOOOCH!!! Sweeeeet.
Nice bit of redemption there for Iguchi.
Chavez has got a canon of an arm.
Nice set up for AGON.
Walked OG to load ‘em up for AGonzo!
He just looks so confident and in control. It is amazing to watch these players when they are locked in. Pelfry wins this round.
I thought Carlin was going to go yard on that one. Damn, he’s quick too.
Whoa, Carlin crushed that ball.
I like this kid Luke, I would like to se him play more.
#22@Turbine Dude: Good thing he wasn’t out at third.
Well, Lukes first triple was for naught. Regardless, this kid has a good future in the Bigs if he keeps playing like he has so far tonight.
Banks is at 61 pitches through 5 innings. Ledezma might want to pay some attention.
I’m too tired to look this up, but does anyone know of the top of their heads where we got Banks from?
Toronto
#29@Field39: Thank you, my friend.
Unreal. Trade Kouz, promote Headley. Is that being just a bit reactionary?
Man, nothing makes me feel better than a first-pitch, inning-ending double play after a walk to load the bases.
Wasted opportunities are annoying. Kouz should stop grounding into so many double plays.
#32@Geoff Young: It’s like watching a snail crawling along the edge of a straight razor.
-Apocolypse Now
When you consider who hits behind him in the order, it only makes what Agon has done that much more special.
I’m not watching the game tonight but please tell me the ball that Kouz hit was at least hit really, really hard. Otherwise, I’m getting very sick to my stomach over the six guys he’s left on base. The guy is not in anyway a #5 hitter.
Fascinating to watch a team that can execute on offense… Great play by Adrian to start the 3-6-3 on Beltran.
Banks has zero margin for error with you consider how inept this offense is.
It’s actually quite comical how many scoring opportunities this team has squandered this season.
Yet another quality start for a Padres starter.
Wasn’t hit the least bit hard. Not sure if these numbers are updated: .269/.311/.414; 51 Ks and 9 walks, and 6 GIDPs.
Uh, how come that’s an out? Didn’t Bard get dinged on a play like that earlier in the year?
Was PMAC tagging up on that Greene foul pop ?
Did he flip the ball out, before the other guy caught him?
#40@Stephen: When you consider that his April was better than last April and his May was at or near an All-Star level (especially considering Petco) and his defense has been great (look at Geoff’s post from a few days ago), trading him is not only reactionary but makes no sense.
#42@JP: Yeah. He was just as confused as the rest of us.#41@Geoff Young: Tony and Matt are still trying to figure that out.
#40@Stephen: I wonder if any regular has ever had more GIDP’s than bases on balls for a season. Kouz just might do it.
#41@Geoff Young: The Met catcher stayed on his feet, and caught it before entering the dugout.
I’d like to see Tony Clark and Mike Piazza in a foot race, maybe get some Molina brothers out there as well just for kicks.
#47@parlo: But as Matty just pointed out, if a player catches the ball and then falls into the stands or the dugout, or any other place considered out of play, the runners advance a base. So, WTF?
That didn’t make any sense (as far as not giving McAnulty 2nd base). I guess the umpire didn’t know the rule there.
Kouzmanoff’s defense is not great. Kouzmanoff is an average fielding third baseman.
#47@parlo: Rule 7.04(c): “If a fielder, after having made a legal catch, should fall into a stand or among spectators or into the dugout or any other out-of-play area while in possession of the ball after making a legal catch, or fall while in the dugout after making a legal catch, the ball is dead and each runner shall advance one base, without liability to be put out, from his last legally touched base at the time the fielder fell into, or in, such out-of-play area.”
So the out is correct, but P-Mac should have been awarded second base.
In any case, once the ball was caught and recklessly flipped out of the dugout by Schneider shouldn’t PMAC, after tagging, advance to second base.
#50@Schlom: He flipped the ball back, while his coach was holding him up. How is that right?
Hampson looking good tonight !
MATTY V:
The reason he threw it out is that if he had fallen teh “bard” penalty would have applied:
Universal ground Rules
A player is not permitted to step or go into a dugout to make a catch.
A player is permitted to reach into a dugout to make a catch. If a player makes a catch outside the dugout and the player’s momentum carries him into the dugout, then the catch is allowed and the ball remains alive as long as the player does not fall while in the dugout. See Rule 6.05(a).
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/umpires/ground_rules.jsp
#49@Turbine Dude: If you stay on your feet, you havent fallen into the dugout, you have entered the dugout. The one umpire awarded PMAC a base and then was overruled by the other.
This has probably been Mike Pelfrey’s best start as a pro. Can we sign and activate a few of those guys we drafted today? This offense is just ridiculously bad. Sorry I’m so negative today but nothing frustrates me more than wasted opportunities. Especially against a bad pitcher like Pelfrey.
see also: rule 6.05
Rule 6.05(a) Comment: A fielder may reach into, but not step into, a dugout to make a catch, and if he holds the ball, the catch shall be allowed. A fielder, in order to make a catch on a foul ball nearing a dugout or other out-of-play area (such as the stands), must have one or both feet on or over the playing surface (including the lip of the dugout) and neither foot on the ground inside the dugout or in any other out-of-play area. Ball is in play, unless the fielder, after making a legal catch, falls into a dugout or other out-of-play area, in which case the ball is dead. Status of runners shall be as described in Rule 7.04(c) Comment.
Geoff, do you have the link to the post about Kouzmanoff’s defense?
Anyway, instead of stranding the runner on second, he would have been stranded on third. Hmmm, sounds familiar.
Rule 7.04(c) Comment: If a fielder, after having made a legal catch, should fall into a stand or among spectators or into the dugout or any other out-of-play area while in possession of the ball after making a legal catch, or fall while in the dugout after making a legal catch, the ball is dead and each runner shall advance one base, without liability to be put out, from his last legally touched base at the time the fielder fell into, or in, such out-of-play area.
SIMPLE NO?
Saw this about the Padres draft from Bryan Smith in the Baseball Prospectus chat:
We often think about high school players having leverage by using college to heighten their bonus demands. One subset we don’t talk about much that has the same advantage are draft-eligible sophomores. So while it might look like San Diego took a low-budget approach to the draft, don’t be so sure. I hit on Jason Kipnis a little earlier, and in round 6, the Padres took Florida shortstop Cole Figueroa. Both players will probably want above-slot money to sign, but it would be a coup to land both. Figueroa is easily, for me, the prospect Russ Adams was when he was drafted in the first round. I mean that as a compliment to Figueroa, but now it does sort of seem like a back-handed one.
#62@David V: Even if someone in the dugout catches him, while he has the ball?
#59@David V: I guess we’ve all obtained somewhat of an education on this tonight.
Kouz is about to come up with more runners on base. This game isn’t as bad as his game in San Francisco when he made 9 outs (!) but it’s getting close.
I wanted Hairston to face Feliciano in the top of 7th not Gerut.
This kind of shows how little confidence Black has in Hairy right now.
More draft stuff, there’s a poll on Baseball America on the biggest surprise of the 1st round and of course, the Padres pick is on there. He’s getting 68% of about 1200 votes. At least the Padres are leading in something!
http://www.baseballamerica.com/polls/?id=1212705036
#64@Field39:
Not sure if there is a rule about assistance/interference by non-playing members of the team, but sounds familiar. I’ll give this to someone else to look up!
At least Kouz got a hit out of that at-bat!
Failed again. Sorry to reveal my frustration, Kev. His numbers are what they are. You risk going from smart, analytical fan to out-and-out fanboy.
This game tonight is giving me an ulcer.
Nothing Iguchi could do to avoid getting hit by that. Just more dumb luck. And now he is going out with an injured shoulder.
Hey, Adrian also failed with the bases loaded and one out and with runners on first and second. He’s been almost as bad as Kouz has.
Beavers lose 7-6 after climbing back from a 6-0 deficit to tie the game. Hensley gets rocked. Ambres raised his OPS to .960+ with two more hits. Antonelli goes 0 for 4 again.
#71@Stephen: No, I’m not.
I don’t particulary like or care about Kouzmanoff other than the he’s a Padres player.
You are being crazy, reactionary fan. It would be smarter to trade Headley than Kouzmanoff.
Yes, his numbers are what they are. If you remove his two Aprils — yes, I know they count, too — he has been an All-Star level player.
It’s fine that fans are frustrated because the team is 24-37. But some fans are ignoring facts.
Don’t think walking Reyes was something you wanted there.
#74@JP: You are Chip’s greatest fan. I always thought you might be related, although if that’s your picture you don’t look alike at all. However, with a name like Chip Ambres, I would have figured he would have looked more like you.
Padres pitching has been great tonight. Kouzmanoff is only a 2nd year player and I think he will be doing much better as time goes on. His improvement last year was remarkable. Who else does Bud have to fill the 5 hole.
#76@Schlom: Hilarious. I do look like a Chip, I know.
Ambres is performing very well so I mention him.
“Who else does Bud have to fill the 5 hole” ?
Ahhh…ummmmm…..no one.
#60@Kevin: Here you go:
http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/igd-padres-vs-nationals-28-may-08.html
People are going by reputation and last year’s performance, but Kouz’s defensive numbers have been much better so far in ‘08.
Watching the Pads everyday consistently there is no doubt that Kouz has improved defensively.
It’s not often that 12 hits, 4 of them for extra bases, and 4 walks yield 1 run. That’s what happens when you have 12 LOB, I guess.
Man this team is frustrating to watch. I love watching good pitching from guys like Maddux and Banks is fascinating but all the enjoyment is sucked out by this incompetent offense.
#80@Geoff Young: Second in the majors in RZR. I would say that’s pretty impressive.
No offense and maybe my lack of baseball knowledge but I’ve never heard of Jody Gerut before this year. Matt V saying he’s been our most productive hitter over the last week and 1/2 really makes me question the rest of the team. =) Not trying to be a downer. Just wish we could have more than one all star someday.
LA and CHI are also tied in the top of the 9th.
#85@Oside Jon: You shouldn’t necessarily know who he is, but he is hitting .438/.571/.625 in the last week.
Hoffman could pitch another 3 years in the majors and be generally effective as a set up guy and/or part time closer. Would he do that ?
I hope so, the guy is still a good pitcher.
#85@Oside Jon: That’s it exactly. A 2nd and 3rd year player shouldn’t have to carry a team.
#83@anthony: That’s the 2008 San Diego Padres in a nutshell, pretty much. They haven’t been blown out too much this season, but the hitters ONLY hit when the pitching is terrible, and the hitters NEVER hit when the pitching is good.
I’m always happy after any win, but even if they do pull out a walk-off, that would be two wins a row that even a mediocre lineup would have won handily. There’s virtually no confidence to be gained.
#86@Turbine Dude: Check that. Cubs just scored to make it 5-4.
Giles has the seventh highest walk rate in the National League. That’s before tonight. And he doesn’t have the luxury of pitchers staying away from him because he’s a power hitter.
#85@Oside Jon: I was down on Gerut about as much as anyone but he’s been a pleasant surprise this season, especially lately. If he can hit 280/360/420 and play a good CF, he’s a valuable player.
I just checked mlb.com and over the past 7 days he’s been their 3rd best hitter, beyond A-Gon (1.303 OPS) and Giles (1.150). Gerut is at .950 and P-Mac is at .854, all the rest of the team except for Huber (1.071 in 7 AB) is terrible.
Winning run on third. It’s gonna be up to PMac. Damn.
I think they’re making a mistake by walking Kouz.
#90@Steve: I hear you. It’s almost as if the Pads would be 6 to 7 games better if they simply had one more good (not great) bat in this lineup.
The starting pitching gives you reason for hope that’s for sure. Especially if Banks turns out to be a servicable 4th or 5th starter.
Hey, a win tonight and we move to within 8 games of the lead
#90@Steve: Tonight’s game is not the best example of a mediocre offense. Sure, they’ve only scored one run, but that’s mostly due to the bad timing of their hits. Putting 19 runners on base isn’t mediocre.
Fitting end to the game.
Thank you, Mr. Schoeneweis. Ballgame.
Holy Craaap! PMac hit to walk in the winning run!!!
Is it a full moon ?
Nice “hit” of the game.
Well thats one way to drive in a run.
P-Mac provides the consummate example of “taking one for the team.”
#97@Ben B.: O.k, their timely hitting is mediocre.
Good thing Schoeneweis was terrible tonight as I wasn’t feeling too confident about that matchup. Way to “manufacture” a run there without the benefit of a hit.
Victory!
Sure, they should have won 6-0 or so, but it still counts the same in the standings.
Three walks and HBP to win the game. Has there been a worse inning by a pitcher?
12 hits and only 2 runs is embarassing.
Wow. A walk-off HBP. I’ll take it. 8 games out of 1st place. But this offense needs a spark. Let’s trade our entire farm system to Texas for my favorite player Milton Bradley.
#93@Schlom: Not too many negative posts from me lately about Gerut. Thankfully Gerut has saved the organization a lot of embarrassment by covering up the gaping wound in centerfield with a needed bandage by playing some sound baseball.
“I think they’re making a mistake by walking Kouz.”
Sometimes it’s good to be right.
#110@JMAR: Jenga’s been unconscious lately. Keep one thing in mind by these Arlington power numbers from a guy like Jenga – the last 4 days in Dallas the wind has been been blowing straight out at about 30 mph in a ballpark that is a hitters park as it is….
Was Jenga smart or what to play have of his games in Arlington..
#111@JP: If Gerut’s play in center continues to hold down the fort for the rest of the year then the Padres management may build him a statue across from Gwynn’s.
#109@Turbine Dude: Almost as embarrassing as losing to that team.
#113@JP: I miss him.
Cubs just beat the Dogs 5-4.
Dogs left bases loaded in the bottom of the 9th. (Sound familiar?)
#114@JP: The average starting CF averages about a 763 OPS this year in the NL (not including park effects). So if Gerut can put up a 725 OPS or so he’ll be at least average. That’s not out of the realm of possibility.
#87@Kevin: #89@Jeff: #93@Schlom:
All I’m saying is even PMAC can hit (or be hit) great for week. Any major leaguer can. What needs to be addressed is there are many players on this team that would be on AA teams normally. OK maybe triple A. Alright, we know this and it’s already been said. Just my observation as we left guys in scoring position like 97 times tonight. Arghhhhhhh…….enough negativity tonight.
BUT……WE WON.
The thing with Bradley is he’s doing his damage from the DH spot, and from a couple accounts I’ve read his defense the few times he’s been pressed into action has been bad. It would be nice to have his 186 OPS+ in left instead of Padre left fielders’ 101 OPS+.
#119@Oside Jon: I didn’t mean to say Gerut was great. But you questioned Matty’s comment a little. So I put up his stats from the past week, which is what Matty was talking about.
#115@Geoff Young: BTW, I was cheering on our Padres during the whole Cubs homestand. But, now I’m back to being a Cubs fan as long as they are not playing the Padres and are playing the Dodgers. No offense, GY.
Gotta get up early. See you all tommorow.
Frustrating win tonight.
#119@Oside Jon: McAnulty has been an above league average hitter before you take into account park and after you take into account position this year. He’s a bad example of “crappy player that can have a good week”
#122@Turbine Dude: None taken. We need Arizona and LA to keep losing if we’re going to scrap our way back into this thing.
#123@Turbine Dude: What’s frustrating about winning a game your 10th starter started?
#126@Richard Wade: I’ll answer for him: Superb ability to get on base negated by superb ability to strand runners, could have easily lost a fantastic start from said 10th starter, lost our starting 2B for what could be quite a while.
Yeay, A win is a WIN.
#124@Richard Wade: You know, Blum was an all-star caliber hitter on Sunday games started by pitchers with a W in their name, the temp between 76 and 78, on artificial turf, and the sea at high tide.
Just Say’n.
#75@Kevin: For Kouzmanoffs stats to be All Star caliber, you would have to remove more than just Aprils numbers.
June: 244/310/400, July:275/314/475
I hope that doesnt make me a “crazy reactionary fan” who is “ignoring facts”.
#125@Geoff Young:
Yep. They need to keep losing and we need to turn it around a little more.
Chris Young quote from today’s UT, “I don’t think it would be the first time that a team had a bad April and May and still made the playoffs,†he said. “I don’t think there is any reason for us to lower our expectations.â€
With Peavy and Young coming back someday and if hitters start hitting we could be back in this. I never thought that was a possibility but LA and AZ have cooled. Banks has been an awesome surprise.
#130@parlo: In May of this season, he hit .289/.331/.491.
May 2007: .303/.375/.576
June 2007: .247/.295/.411
July 2007: .275/.314/.475
August 2007: .292/.333/.472
September 2007: .380/.441/.590
The point is that April of this year and last are the only ones that have been horrid. The other ones add up to All-Star numbers.
I, too, hope this doesn’t make you a crazy, reactionary fan.
#132@Kevin: Have you ever heard of these NL third basemen ? Chipper Jones (Braves), David Wright (Mets), Aramis Ramirez (Cubs). Take a look at their numbers. You can include April if you wish.