IGD: Padres vs Mets (5 Jun 08)
Thu, Jun 5, 2008
by Geoff Young
Padres (24-37) vs Mets (30-28)
Josh Banks vs Mike Pelfrey
7:05 p.m. PT
Channel 4SD
AM 1090, FM 105.7
MLB, B-R
Two teams that totally blew a playoff berth in 2007 square off in the first of four at Petco Park. The most successful member of the Padres patchwork rotation starts the opener.
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June 5, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Nice first pick by the Padres. Anybody know who else they picked?
June 5, 2008 at 7:10 pm
The UT has a list
http://www3.signonsandiego.com.....o-park-po/
June 5, 2008 at 7:17 pm
#2@parlo: Thank you for the link.
June 5, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Nice first inning for Banks. Is everyone too exhausted from the draft to watch the game tonight?
June 5, 2008 at 7:22 pm
That was ugly.
Maybe we shouldnt Hit & Run with poor contact hitters at the plate.
June 5, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Blown Hit & Run and a K, nice start.
June 5, 2008 at 7:24 pm
#5@parlo: Iguchi, is supposed to be a contact hitter.
June 5, 2008 at 7:28 pm
#7@Field39: Giles is the only hitter I would trust with a H&R.
June 5, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Nice hit and Hustle PMAC.
June 5, 2008 at 7:40 pm
As Jerry Coleman would say: “McAnaulty slides into Second with a stand up double! Oh, Doctor!”
June 5, 2008 at 7:46 pm
What is the deal with Banks? He can’t be this good.
June 5, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Nice stop by Banks! That would have been a base hit if it had got by him.
June 5, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Hang a star on that play.
June 5, 2008 at 7:49 pm
#11@Field39: He is definitely pitching above his career numbers thats for sure.
June 5, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Congrats Josh Banks! 1st base hit in the ML.
June 5, 2008 at 7:54 pm
GOOOOCH!!! Sweeeeet.
June 5, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Nice bit of redemption there for Iguchi.
June 5, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Chavez has got a canon of an arm.
June 5, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Nice set up for AGON.
June 5, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Walked OG to load ‘em up for AGonzo!
June 5, 2008 at 8:00 pm
He just looks so confident and in control. It is amazing to watch these players when they are locked in. Pelfry wins this round.
June 5, 2008 at 8:21 pm
I thought Carlin was going to go yard on that one. Damn, he’s quick too.
June 5, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Whoa, Carlin crushed that ball.
June 5, 2008 at 8:21 pm
I like this kid Luke, I would like to se him play more.
June 5, 2008 at 8:22 pm
#22@Turbine Dude: Good thing he wasn’t out at third.
June 5, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Well, Lukes first triple was for naught. Regardless, this kid has a good future in the Bigs if he keeps playing like he has so far tonight.
June 5, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Banks is at 61 pitches through 5 innings. Ledezma might want to pay some attention.
June 5, 2008 at 8:32 pm
I’m too tired to look this up, but does anyone know of the top of their heads where we got Banks from?
June 5, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Toronto
June 5, 2008 at 8:37 pm
#29@Field39: Thank you, my friend.
June 5, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Unreal. Trade Kouz, promote Headley. Is that being just a bit reactionary?
June 5, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Man, nothing makes me feel better than a first-pitch, inning-ending double play after a walk to load the bases.
June 5, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Wasted opportunities are annoying. Kouz should stop grounding into so many double plays.
June 5, 2008 at 8:46 pm
#32@Geoff Young: It’s like watching a snail crawling along the edge of a straight razor.
-Apocolypse Now
June 5, 2008 at 8:47 pm
When you consider who hits behind him in the order, it only makes what Agon has done that much more special.
June 5, 2008 at 8:52 pm
I’m not watching the game tonight but please tell me the ball that Kouz hit was at least hit really, really hard. Otherwise, I’m getting very sick to my stomach over the six guys he’s left on base. The guy is not in anyway a #5 hitter.
June 5, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Fascinating to watch a team that can execute on offense… Great play by Adrian to start the 3-6-3 on Beltran.
June 5, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Banks has zero margin for error with you consider how inept this offense is.
It’s actually quite comical how many scoring opportunities this team has squandered this season.
June 5, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Yet another quality start for a Padres starter.
June 5, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Wasn’t hit the least bit hard. Not sure if these numbers are updated: .269/.311/.414; 51 Ks and 9 walks, and 6 GIDPs.
June 5, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Uh, how come that’s an out? Didn’t Bard get dinged on a play like that earlier in the year?
June 5, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Was PMAC tagging up on that Greene foul pop ?
June 5, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Did he flip the ball out, before the other guy caught him?
June 5, 2008 at 9:03 pm
#40@Stephen: When you consider that his April was better than last April and his May was at or near an All-Star level (especially considering Petco) and his defense has been great (look at Geoff’s post from a few days ago), trading him is not only reactionary but makes no sense.
June 5, 2008 at 9:03 pm
#42@JP: Yeah. He was just as confused as the rest of us.#41@Geoff Young: Tony and Matt are still trying to figure that out.
June 5, 2008 at 9:05 pm
#40@Stephen: I wonder if any regular has ever had more GIDP’s than bases on balls for a season. Kouz just might do it.
June 5, 2008 at 9:05 pm
#41@Geoff Young: The Met catcher stayed on his feet, and caught it before entering the dugout.
June 5, 2008 at 9:06 pm
I’d like to see Tony Clark and Mike Piazza in a foot race, maybe get some Molina brothers out there as well just for kicks.
June 5, 2008 at 9:07 pm
#47@parlo: But as Matty just pointed out, if a player catches the ball and then falls into the stands or the dugout, or any other place considered out of play, the runners advance a base. So, WTF?
June 5, 2008 at 9:07 pm
That didn’t make any sense (as far as not giving McAnulty 2nd base). I guess the umpire didn’t know the rule there.
June 5, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Kouzmanoff’s defense is not great. Kouzmanoff is an average fielding third baseman.
June 5, 2008 at 9:10 pm
#47@parlo: Rule 7.04(c): “If a fielder, after having made a legal catch, should fall into a stand or among spectators or into the dugout or any other out-of-play area while in possession of the ball after making a legal catch, or fall while in the dugout after making a legal catch, the ball is dead and each runner shall advance one base, without liability to be put out, from his last legally touched base at the time the fielder fell into, or in, such out-of-play area.”
So the out is correct, but P-Mac should have been awarded second base.
June 5, 2008 at 9:11 pm
In any case, once the ball was caught and recklessly flipped out of the dugout by Schneider shouldn’t PMAC, after tagging, advance to second base.
June 5, 2008 at 9:12 pm
#50@Schlom: He flipped the ball back, while his coach was holding him up. How is that right?
June 5, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Hampson looking good tonight !
June 5, 2008 at 9:12 pm
MATTY V:
The reason he threw it out is that if he had fallen teh “bard” penalty would have applied:
Universal ground Rules
A player is not permitted to step or go into a dugout to make a catch.
A player is permitted to reach into a dugout to make a catch. If a player makes a catch outside the dugout and the player’s momentum carries him into the dugout, then the catch is allowed and the ball remains alive as long as the player does not fall while in the dugout. See Rule 6.05(a).
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/officia....._rules.jsp
June 5, 2008 at 9:13 pm
#49@Turbine Dude: If you stay on your feet, you havent fallen into the dugout, you have entered the dugout. The one umpire awarded PMAC a base and then was overruled by the other.
June 5, 2008 at 9:14 pm
This has probably been Mike Pelfrey’s best start as a pro. Can we sign and activate a few of those guys we drafted today? This offense is just ridiculously bad. Sorry I’m so negative today but nothing frustrates me more than wasted opportunities. Especially against a bad pitcher like Pelfrey.
June 5, 2008 at 9:14 pm
see also: rule 6.05
Rule 6.05(a) Comment: A fielder may reach into, but not step into, a dugout to make a catch, and if he holds the ball, the catch shall be allowed. A fielder, in order to make a catch on a foul ball nearing a dugout or other out-of-play area (such as the stands), must have one or both feet on or over the playing surface (including the lip of the dugout) and neither foot on the ground inside the dugout or in any other out-of-play area. Ball is in play, unless the fielder, after making a legal catch, falls into a dugout or other out-of-play area, in which case the ball is dead. Status of runners shall be as described in Rule 7.04(c) Comment.
June 5, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Geoff, do you have the link to the post about Kouzmanoff’s defense?
June 5, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Anyway, instead of stranding the runner on second, he would have been stranded on third. Hmmm, sounds familiar.
June 5, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Rule 7.04(c) Comment: If a fielder, after having made a legal catch, should fall into a stand or among spectators or into the dugout or any other out-of-play area while in possession of the ball after making a legal catch, or fall while in the dugout after making a legal catch, the ball is dead and each runner shall advance one base, without liability to be put out, from his last legally touched base at the time the fielder fell into, or in, such out-of-play area.
SIMPLE NO?
June 5, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Saw this about the Padres draft from Bryan Smith in the Baseball Prospectus chat:
We often think about high school players having leverage by using college to heighten their bonus demands. One subset we don’t talk about much that has the same advantage are draft-eligible sophomores. So while it might look like San Diego took a low-budget approach to the draft, don’t be so sure. I hit on Jason Kipnis a little earlier, and in round 6, the Padres took Florida shortstop Cole Figueroa. Both players will probably want above-slot money to sign, but it would be a coup to land both. Figueroa is easily, for me, the prospect Russ Adams was when he was drafted in the first round. I mean that as a compliment to Figueroa, but now it does sort of seem like a back-handed one.
June 5, 2008 at 9:18 pm
#62@David V: Even if someone in the dugout catches him, while he has the ball?
June 5, 2008 at 9:18 pm
#59@David V: I guess we’ve all obtained somewhat of an education on this tonight.
June 5, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Kouz is about to come up with more runners on base. This game isn’t as bad as his game in San Francisco when he made 9 outs (!) but it’s getting close.
June 5, 2008 at 9:23 pm
I wanted Hairston to face Feliciano in the top of 7th not Gerut.
This kind of shows how little confidence Black has in Hairy right now.
June 5, 2008 at 9:23 pm
More draft stuff, there’s a poll on Baseball America on the biggest surprise of the 1st round and of course, the Padres pick is on there. He’s getting 68% of about 1200 votes. At least the Padres are leading in something!
http://www.baseballamerica.com.....1212705036
June 5, 2008 at 9:25 pm
#64@Field39:
Not sure if there is a rule about assistance/interference by non-playing members of the team, but sounds familiar. I’ll give this to someone else to look up!
June 5, 2008 at 9:26 pm
At least Kouz got a hit out of that at-bat!
June 5, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Failed again. Sorry to reveal my frustration, Kev. His numbers are what they are. You risk going from smart, analytical fan to out-and-out fanboy.
June 5, 2008 at 9:28 pm
This game tonight is giving me an ulcer.
Nothing Iguchi could do to avoid getting hit by that. Just more dumb luck. And now he is going out with an injured shoulder.
June 5, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Hey, Adrian also failed with the bases loaded and one out and with runners on first and second. He’s been almost as bad as Kouz has.
June 5, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Beavers lose 7-6 after climbing back from a 6-0 deficit to tie the game. Hensley gets rocked. Ambres raised his OPS to .960+ with two more hits. Antonelli goes 0 for 4 again.
June 5, 2008 at 9:33 pm
#71@Stephen: No, I’m not.
I don’t particulary like or care about Kouzmanoff other than the he’s a Padres player.
You are being crazy, reactionary fan. It would be smarter to trade Headley than Kouzmanoff.
Yes, his numbers are what they are. If you remove his two Aprils — yes, I know they count, too — he has been an All-Star level player.
It’s fine that fans are frustrated because the team is 24-37. But some fans are ignoring facts.
June 5, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Don’t think walking Reyes was something you wanted there.
#74@JP: You are Chip’s greatest fan. I always thought you might be related, although if that’s your picture you don’t look alike at all. However, with a name like Chip Ambres, I would have figured he would have looked more like you.
June 5, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Padres pitching has been great tonight. Kouzmanoff is only a 2nd year player and I think he will be doing much better as time goes on. His improvement last year was remarkable. Who else does Bud have to fill the 5 hole.
June 5, 2008 at 9:42 pm
#76@Schlom: Hilarious. I do look like a Chip, I know.
Ambres is performing very well so I mention him.
June 5, 2008 at 9:45 pm
“Who else does Bud have to fill the 5 hole” ?
Ahhh…ummmmm…..no one.
June 5, 2008 at 9:45 pm
#60@Kevin: Here you go:
http://ducksnorts.com/blog/200.....ay-08.html
People are going by reputation and last year’s performance, but Kouz’s defensive numbers have been much better so far in ‘08.
June 5, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Watching the Pads everyday consistently there is no doubt that Kouz has improved defensively.
June 5, 2008 at 9:48 pm
It’s not often that 12 hits, 4 of them for extra bases, and 4 walks yield 1 run. That’s what happens when you have 12 LOB, I guess.
June 5, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Man this team is frustrating to watch. I love watching good pitching from guys like Maddux and Banks is fascinating but all the enjoyment is sucked out by this incompetent offense.
June 5, 2008 at 9:49 pm
#80@Geoff Young: Second in the majors in RZR. I would say that’s pretty impressive.
June 5, 2008 at 9:51 pm
No offense and maybe my lack of baseball knowledge but I’ve never heard of Jody Gerut before this year. Matt V saying he’s been our most productive hitter over the last week and 1/2 really makes me question the rest of the team. =) Not trying to be a downer. Just wish we could have more than one all star someday.
June 5, 2008 at 9:55 pm
LA and CHI are also tied in the top of the 9th.
June 5, 2008 at 9:56 pm
#85@Oside Jon: You shouldn’t necessarily know who he is, but he is hitting .438/.571/.625 in the last week.
June 5, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Hoffman could pitch another 3 years in the majors and be generally effective as a set up guy and/or part time closer. Would he do that ?
I hope so, the guy is still a good pitcher.
June 5, 2008 at 9:57 pm
#85@Oside Jon: That’s it exactly. A 2nd and 3rd year player shouldn’t have to carry a team.
June 5, 2008 at 9:57 pm
#83@anthony: That’s the 2008 San Diego Padres in a nutshell, pretty much. They haven’t been blown out too much this season, but the hitters ONLY hit when the pitching is terrible, and the hitters NEVER hit when the pitching is good.
I’m always happy after any win, but even if they do pull out a walk-off, that would be two wins a row that even a mediocre lineup would have won handily. There’s virtually no confidence to be gained.
June 5, 2008 at 9:57 pm
#86@Turbine Dude: Check that. Cubs just scored to make it 5-4.
June 5, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Giles has the seventh highest walk rate in the National League. That’s before tonight. And he doesn’t have the luxury of pitchers staying away from him because he’s a power hitter.
June 5, 2008 at 10:05 pm
#85@Oside Jon: I was down on Gerut about as much as anyone but he’s been a pleasant surprise this season, especially lately. If he can hit 280/360/420 and play a good CF, he’s a valuable player.
I just checked mlb.com and over the past 7 days he’s been their 3rd best hitter, beyond A-Gon (1.303 OPS) and Giles (1.150). Gerut is at .950 and P-Mac is at .854, all the rest of the team except for Huber (1.071 in 7 AB) is terrible.
June 5, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Winning run on third. It’s gonna be up to PMac. Damn.
June 5, 2008 at 10:06 pm
I think they’re making a mistake by walking Kouz.
June 5, 2008 at 10:07 pm
#90@Steve: I hear you. It’s almost as if the Pads would be 6 to 7 games better if they simply had one more good (not great) bat in this lineup.
The starting pitching gives you reason for hope that’s for sure. Especially if Banks turns out to be a servicable 4th or 5th starter.
Hey, a win tonight and we move to within 8 games of the lead
June 5, 2008 at 10:07 pm
#90@Steve: Tonight’s game is not the best example of a mediocre offense. Sure, they’ve only scored one run, but that’s mostly due to the bad timing of their hits. Putting 19 runners on base isn’t mediocre.
June 5, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Fitting end to the game.
June 5, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Thank you, Mr. Schoeneweis. Ballgame.
June 5, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Holy Craaap! PMac hit to walk in the winning run!!!
June 5, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Is it a full moon ?
June 5, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Nice “hit” of the game.
June 5, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Well thats one way to drive in a run.
June 5, 2008 at 10:08 pm
P-Mac provides the consummate example of “taking one for the team.”
June 5, 2008 at 10:08 pm