Padres, Mets Swap Spare Parts
Thu, Nov 16, 2006
by Geoff Young
The Padres have traded outfielder Ben Johnson and right-handed reliever Jon Adkins for two bullpen arms, lefty Royce Ring and righty Heath Bell. Although not as interesting as, say, Don’t Fear the Reaper performed on ukelele, this is one of those minor deals that could help both clubs.
With the apparent departure of Dave Roberts, there had been some talk of Johnson taking over as the everyday left fielder in San Diego next year. But Johnson — despite my enthusiasm for him many moons ago — really is more of a fourth outfielder, and Terrmel Sledge, Paul McAnulty, and others are already available to take on that role.
Seems to me this just sharpens the focus on acquiring a big bat to play left field. Whether that would be one of the many free agents (Moises Alou, Barry Bonds [shudder], Frank Catalanotto, David Dellucci, Cliff Floyd, Luis Gonzalez, Carlos Lee, Alfonso Soriano, Shannon Stewart) or possibly making some kind of trade (Pat Burrell? Adam Dunn?) is anyone’s guess.
Adkins and Bell look like fairly interchangeable parts to me. Both are 29 years old, both have ERAs over 4.50. Adkins has more experience, Bell has better control. Bell is from Oceanside, which seems to work in a guy’s favor these days. Bell also has a much stronger minor-league record, although some of that could be due to the fact that he’s worked almost exclusively in relief, while Adkins spent much of his career as a starter.
| IP | ERA | H/9 | HR/9 | BB/9 | SO/9 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Adkins | 733.2 | 4.53 | 10.00 | 0.79 | 2.71 | 6.19 |
| Bell | 569.2 | 3.34 | 8.19 | 0.79 | 2.42 | 10.23 |
| Stats courtesy of the Baseball Cube. | ||||||
Gotta like those strikeouts.
As for Ring, he’s another local product. Born in La Mesa, Ring was selected 18th overall in the 2002 draft by the Chicago White Sox. A year later, he was dealt to the Mets as part of a package for ex-Padre Roberto Alomar. Although he doesn’t have much of a big-league track record, Ring’s minor-league numbers aren’t too shabby. The ERA is nice, but I’d like to see the walks a little lower and the strikeouts a little higher.
Will this deal help the Padres? I don’t know, but as reader Richard notes in the comments, it is pretty cool to acquire a guy named Ring and a guy named Bell in the same trade.
I wonder if either of them can play the ukelele…
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November 16, 2006 at 8:10 am
Ring my Bell-el-el… Ring my Belll…
November 16, 2006 at 8:11 am
Re: #1 now that was just uncalled for!
November 16, 2006 at 8:14 am
In other news, Matty’s back in a one-year deal.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/.....osner.html
November 16, 2006 at 8:18 am
I am NOT a Tony Muser fan, but he’s a classy guy…
“What a strange series of events the last couple of months produced,” said the former Kansas City manager who helped Bruce Bochy with tactics since 2003. “It was a great ride, and I had fun. Buddy Black (the Padres’ new manager) needs to have a couple of his own people on the staff. The only tough thing is that the timing was not good. Most major league slots are filled.”
http://www.signonsandiego.com/.....adres.html
November 16, 2006 at 8:18 am
Great news but I wish it was for more than one year.
November 16, 2006 at 8:26 am
#4 - The last line in that UT article gives me some comfort, but of course what you read in the paper (or your monitor) and what reality is are often times different! Let’s hope it is true.
November 16, 2006 at 8:31 am
I’d take Barry for a year if it gets us a championship.
November 16, 2006 at 8:40 am
I would take barry as long as that is not the only “big name” that the padres get.
November 16, 2006 at 8:40 am
So what are the odds that Piazza will be back this year?
November 16, 2006 at 8:51 am
I would not take Barry for any amount of time, even if he were for free and he hit 50 HR’s for us.
I don’t like the guy, period. I think he would destroy the clubhouse.
November 16, 2006 at 9:14 am
Im wondering how many more relief pitchers the pads are going to add to the roster? As far as I can tell they have 11 relief pitchers and no LF, 2B or a number 4 or 5 starter, I know its just the beginning of the off season but im not sure why they are working on an already solid bullpen, I would Hope KT would be thinking more about a shakey lineup and how he is going to replace woody and Chan ho.
November 16, 2006 at 9:15 am
Talked to a Met fan about this deal. He said Ring was decent but Bell had basically a straight fastball (although it was good). Also that Bell was kinda thick headed in that they couldn’t “teach” him the necessary things to make him successfull above AAA.
He liked Ring, and said that he kills lefties.
November 16, 2006 at 10:02 am
Reaper on ukele…. Worst. Link. Ever?
November 16, 2006 at 10:05 am
Nice deal if the Pads aren’t going to keep Embree. Ring is good against lefties, has average stuff against righties, although he did fine against them in a brief major-league look last season. I’d like two lefties in the pen if we could, Embree is tough against both Lefties and righties (although, strangely enough, he was far better on the road than at Petco last year). Bell is a lot like Brown, the pitcher we got from Cleveland. Throws hard, gets K’s, but has better control than Brown. Also gives up too many homers, but has more experience in the bigs. Petco might suppress the homers aenough to make Bell more effective.
Adkins was just minor-league free-agent filler anyway, although he pitched better than he ever had before in 06. Johnson is a 4th outfielder, and those are a dime a dozen.
November 16, 2006 at 10:09 am
I think it’d be cool to have Barry here for a year because it would be fun to see everyone in San Diego (namely Ted Leitner) go absolutely crazy.
November 16, 2006 at 10:16 am
Re #15 on the XX this morn Ted said that he would resign as the Padres broadcaster if that happened, I think he was bluffing but I mean what else can he do.
November 16, 2006 at 10:21 am
#16 Being a lifetime Pads fan, I wouldn’t resign, but I would not be able to root for Pad’s with him in the lineup. I might even boycott games (Radio, TV & Petco) for as long he is employed by the Pads.
November 16, 2006 at 10:25 am
#15 Where are you from? Why would you want to see people go crazy?
November 16, 2006 at 10:28 am
Re: #17 Teddy would not resign because he would probably not be able to get the job again after barry leaves so he would just have to suffer through it for the year that he is here.
November 16, 2006 at 10:29 am
I hate the doggers, and the gigantes (as teams), but I wouldn’t even wish Barry Bonds on them! Maybe, just maybe, I would wish him on the Raiders (if BB played football), but not ANY other baseball team. I think he is bad for the sport. I love SD, the Pads, and the sport of baseball too much.
November 16, 2006 at 10:45 am
OK, so I missed the switch to a new thread…Olney had some interesting things in his blog that I copied into the end of yesterdays running dialogue - go check them out:
- why ManRam is such a bargain all of a sudden
- why the Sox (Lucchino specifically) think $1.1MM is chump change
And no Barry Bonds in SD. I don’t want to win that much.
November 16, 2006 at 11:01 am
Oh, the other thing about Bell is that he’s supposedly an extreme ground ball pitcher.
November 16, 2006 at 11:21 am
WOW!!! I guess they took Linebrinks name out of it and now it’s just PEAVY to the Braves…
November 16, 2006 at 11:23 am
Oh crap I forgot the link. SORRY!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com
November 16, 2006 at 11:24 am
From http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
from Jerry Crasnick on ESPN radio…Padres are close to sending Jake Peavy to Atlanta for Marcus Giles, Horacio Ramirez and Jarrod Saltalamacchia. This would make some sense: Schuerholz has never been afraid to deal top-drawer prospects (of which Saltalamacchia used to unquestionably be, if he isn’t after a weak 2006 at the plate) for impact players. And this does a lot of things for the Padres: fill their 2B hole, replace Peavy (kind of), and put another potentially solid catcher in the system now that George Kottaras is property of Boston. It also allows the Padres to keep Scott Linebrink or use him in a trade with the Red Sox.
November 16, 2006 at 11:27 am
I have to say, if they deal Peavy for a guy who hit .230/.353/.380 in AA, a major league starter who is below average and a 2B who is 1 year away from FA…….I may cancel my season tickets because the front office has lost their minds.
November 16, 2006 at 11:28 am
Not sure why Saltalamacchia is considered a prospect. Hit .230/.353/.380 in AA last year (only 21 yrs. old).
November 16, 2006 at 11:29 am
The Jake rumor is back, this time it’s Horacio Ramirez + Salty + Marcus Giles for Jake (by himself)…
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/....._to_t.html
This makes MORE sense, but I still have trouble believing it…
Jake clearly regressed some last year, but are the Padres willing to give up on him? Wow…
November 16, 2006 at 11:32 am
PF, #25
November 16, 2006 at 11:32 am
Speaking as a fan of both the Braves and Friars, I think it fair to say Salty is Kottaras with more power. He’s not the best defensive catcher ever, and DH’ed on the Olympic qualifier team, but he can absolutely mash the baseball.
So there’s that.
November 16, 2006 at 11:34 am
Mark, please don’t go there. The front office cannot be held hostage by the season ticket holders. Is Jake popular? Without question? Is he valuable? Absolutely. Should the Padres deal him if they think the return will perform better than he will? Again, yes.
Like you however, I do find the trade interesting (not in a good way)… But I have to acknowlegde that the front office has made a series of good trades of late and that they know more than I do regarding players’ health, statistical trends, etc. If the Padres elect to trade Jake, then I’ll miss him, root for him to do well when he’s not facing us, and hold the front office accountable IF we don’t fare-well as a result of the trade.
November 16, 2006 at 11:34 am
27.
Coming into this year he was there #1 prospect. He had a down year but I know BA is planning on this kid being a stud. I still don’t know that I would make the trade but Saltalamacchia is very highly reguarded as prospect. Well at least he was before this season.
November 16, 2006 at 11:35 am
I dunno, the proof is in the puddin’. His stats don’t bear out his mashingness.
November 16, 2006 at 11:37 am
Peter-I think there is a difference between over reacting to dealing of Barfield who looked to become an above average regular and a true #1 starter.
Dealing Peavy for what amounts to a top prospect and 2 spare parts is going to be significantly selling everyone short.
Wasn’t it like 3 weeks ago that Peavy was going to be dealt for Manny Ramirez or Arod? What happened, how did he lose so much value?
November 16, 2006 at 11:38 am
Well, he did go for .565/.655/1.000, 3HR in 23 AB in the AZFL.
November 16, 2006 at 11:42 am
I’m not sure I buy that rumor. Why would you trade Peavy now? They have him signed for below market value and he’s not a free agent for a couple of more years. I won’t be surprised if they trade him right before he becomes a free agent but why now? And if you are going to trade him, you aren’t going to trade him for that package I wouldn’t think. However, if there was a way to put him, Linebrink and others in a package for A-Rod….
November 16, 2006 at 11:43 am
With the success the front office has had w/ trades (with the admitted exception of the Wells-Kottaras trade - though after that trade we did kick but in Sept. - possible psych boost?) I have to trust that the front office knows what it is doing even if it confounds me.
November 16, 2006 at 11:44 am
Re:36
November 16, 2006 at 11:45 am
Without being able to measure the psych boost, being able to measure Wells performance(no better then Thompson) and looking at the depth chart right now at catcher- Kotteras for Wells was a bad, bad move.
November 16, 2006 at 11:46 am
Sorry, the reason you trade him now when he’s a bargain is because right now is when he has his greatest value. Jake Peavy with two affordable years left on his contract is better than Jake Peavy with one year. Honestly, I doubt Jake would be too upset. He would be back in the south, able to tutor under Bobby Cox, and they have traditionally paid their pitchers. I just am not sure we’re getting enough value. Saltalamacchia, Ramirez, and Giles….eh.
November 16, 2006 at 11:47 am
Last I checked Peavy doesn’t have a no trade clause, so it doesn’t matter if he is happy with the destination or not
November 16, 2006 at 11:49 am
We should have them throw in Francour, and we’ll include B Giles. That would even it out a bit (or tilt it completely in our favor…either way).
November 16, 2006 at 11:49 am
34.
Let’s try to be a little objective for a few seconds…
1. AROD and Manny for Peavy were RUMORS. I’m sure if either one of them could have been had for Peavy the deal would have been made in nano-seconds.
2. Peavy has not exactly been the most durable and reliable pitcher a lot of people seem to make him out to be. At times he looks like there is nobody better at other times he looks like me on the mound. He had a crappy year and has also been rumored to be stubborn when he’s got the ball.
3. This trade would fill 3 holes. Above average 2nd baseman and leadoff hitter. Back of the rotation type of starter and an elite catching prospect.
Now obviously we know the cons in loosing a potential #1 ace but before you go crazy lets look at Peavy for what he is. He is a good pitcher with AMAZING potential but with a lot of inconsistacy and an injury prone history.
I’m not saying it’s a great trade but just look at it first.
November 16, 2006 at 11:50 am
41
Wasn’t trying to imply he had a no trade clause. I was just saying the loyal SD Peavy fans won’t have to worry about hurting their boy’s feelings.
November 16, 2006 at 11:51 am
Not a big fan of this potential move, unless there is something wrong w/ Peavy we don’t know about. A rotation of Young-Hensley-Ramirez-?-? doesn’t inspire much confidence.
Someone help on Ho-Ram…is he the sort of SP who would benefit extra from going to Petco?
November 16, 2006 at 11:52 am
You realize that Francour had a .293 OBP last year right? He’s looking a lot like Preston Wilson these days.
November 16, 2006 at 11:52 am
Peavy has always seemed like a big injury risk to me, his motion is very violent and he whips his arm across his body rather than driving through the ball. I’d hate to see him go though, and I would think we could do better than that alleged ATL deal if KT just let it be know Peavy is available to the highest bidder. Would dealing Peavy mean we pretty much have to sign Zito, or at least Meche?
Wow, if Peavy is dealt for anyone less than ARod I don’t want to even turn on 1090 for at least a week. And if we end up with Bonds too…
November 16, 2006 at 11:52 am
I bet if Peavy goes, Zito comes.
November 16, 2006 at 11:54 am
re 43: Peavy has thrown 200+ IP each of the past 2 seasons, you make it sound like he is Mark Prior
November 16, 2006 at 11:54 am
Oh, great idea. Let’s trade our staf ace for three players I would have no interest in if their names were mentioned individually in trade talks.
“Let’s lump three mediocre players together and see if they’ll bite” is what Schuerholz must be thinking.
I can’t wait to watch Horatio Ramirez start on Opening Day against the Bochy and the Giants. I can’t picture him telling Bud Black “just give me the ball and I’ll guarantee a win”. One Giles in the everyday lineup is one too many, but two is unbearable. A borderline catching prospect. Just what the doctor ordered.
Give me a break!
November 16, 2006 at 11:58 am
Sorry you’re right he’s not Mark Prior but it seems like everytime he has a bad game it’s because of his messed up elbow or his broken rib or because he got sick or he needs glasses. There is always excuses as to why he pitched badly and it’s really kinda annoying after a while. I like Peavy I like him a lot but at times all the excuses about his poor performances just wear me out.
November 16, 2006 at 11:59 am
50 - so….which side are you on? C’mon man, quit speaking in riddles - how do you really feel?!?!?
November 16, 2006 at 12:00 pm
46.
You do realize he’s 22, right? .293 OBP is not good, but I’d rather it be coupled with a 22 yr old than a .320 OBP a 27 yr old SS (Khalil). I dunno.
November 16, 2006 at 12:02 pm
Bill Shanks of The Braves Show reports that he traded emails with Jerry Crasnick, who states that he said nothing of the sort on ESPN Radio.
Settle down, folks.
November 16, 2006 at 12:03 pm
I agree with KRS1, totally.
Every single game that he pitched badly, you just had to wait, because there was always a reason he was “just not right”. Those things all add up to a crappy season (understanding that his stats were actually pretty good outside of W/L) due to his propensity to not stay healthy.
November 16, 2006 at 12:03 pm
Yes he’s 22- and his BA is going to go up to around .280 most likely. He’s still a below average offensive player for a corner outfielder.
I’d rather have Greene because of defensive position.
Look at it this way-there is only 1 FA ss that could reproduce Greene’s numbers, while there are at least 15 outfielders better then Francour.
November 16, 2006 at 12:05 pm
54: You mean mlbtraderumors.com reported something that’s not going to happen. I’m shocked!
November 16, 2006 at 12:09 pm
Re: 52
Me thinks Peavy is could bring this “big bat” they love to talk about.
November 16, 2006 at 12:14 pm
How weird would it be if Barry Bonds and Mike Piazza were Padres?
November 16, 2006 at 12:14 pm
Baseball - Reference
Most Similar Batters to Jeff Francouer through Age 22
Oh, and by the way, he’s a gold glove caliber fielder (top 3 in baseball)
Duke Snider (967) *
Curt Blefary (963)
Ellis Valentine (962)
Jack Clark (959)
Darryl Strawberry (959)
Willie Davis (958)
Willie Horton (955)
Grady Sizemore (952)
Max West (951)
Gus Bell (949
November 16, 2006 at 12:16 pm
#13: Hey dprat, glad you “enjoyed” the tune.
The Peavy rumors continue to amuse me. They always follow the same formula: [team with money, tradition, or both] will send [player(s) that team no longer wants] to Padres for Peavy.
Honestly, these deals might make sense if the trading partner happened to have a team in, say, Columbus, Pawtucket, or Richmond.
November 16, 2006 at 12:16 pm
re 60…through age 22 is a pretty small sample size, right? I mean, there are certainly a lot more divergent outcomes from comparables at age 22 than at age 28, right?
November 16, 2006 at 12:16 pm
Salty:
2006: .230/.353/.380 w/ 18 2B, 1 3B, 9 HR and a 55/71 BB/SO ratio
2005: .314/.394/.519 w/ 35 2B, 1 3B, 19 HR and a 57/99 BB/SO ratio
He was injured a bit in ‘06 and I read somewhere that he “unlucky” as well (BA/BIP or something)…
He would immediately jump in as our #1 prospect (or at least #2)…
November 16, 2006 at 12:19 pm
I’m not a big fan of this proposed Peavy rumor. You trade a star, you should get back a star. Not a good prospect, a crappy pitcher and a good ML player.
And I don’t care what anyone says about a “down” year in ‘06, the guy is a stud.
54: Even if Crasnick didn’t say this, it’s a nice to get fired up about something on an otherwise unremarkable Thursday in November.
November 16, 2006 at 12:21 pm
Why is there a Jon Adkins add at the bottom of my page? I mean, how many jersey’s do I need with my favorite AAA relievers’ last names on the back?
November 16, 2006 at 12:21 pm
The rumor is not true if Jerry Carsnick reported this is would be in ESPN’s Rumor section. I think someone posted this on the braves board a few days ago and people just ran with it.
November 16, 2006 at 12:21 pm
I’m not opposed to trading Peavy but the return better be outstanding. You don’t trade him for potential (or prospects) when he’s under contract for a reasonable amount. That’s what makes him such an asset. Now if you could get A-Rod or someone like that, go ahead and do it. But to take a guy a year away from free agency, a Double A catcher who had a terrible year and a league average starter — that doesn’t make any sense.
I understand that Peavy has his issues — has been somewhat injury prone and isn’t exactly the greatest big game pitcher out there — and he probably looks better than he is because of the stadium — but that’s no reason to trade him. However, Horacio Ramirez is exactly the kind of pitcher they need to go after. Young, league average guys who look great since they pitch here then you turn around and trade them to fill holes on your team.
November 16, 2006 at 12:22 pm
I think Salty-God how many terrible last names can one team have? would be a very good guy to look into. I’d certainly do Linebrink for Salty and Giles.
November 16, 2006 at 12:22 pm
53: Khalil’s a shortstop, not a corner outfielder, though.
November 16, 2006 at 12:23 pm
On another note, I’m in the process of evaluating every trade KT has made since becoming GM in Nov ‘95 (top and bottom 5 will make it into the book). I’ve gotten through calendar year 1999, and so far, using win shares as the primary basis for analysis, he’s looking real good.
I’m going on vacation next week, but I’ll try to put together a little something before then so we can have a better idea of what we’re talking about when we praise or criticize Towers for his past deals.
November 16, 2006 at 12:23 pm
68
Sounds good to me. That’s pretty fair.
November 16, 2006 at 12:25 pm
68: Now that would be a great trade.
November 16, 2006 at 12:26 pm
Imagine having 2 Giles on one team?? Holy crap — the lockerroom would probably be nuts.
November 16, 2006 at 12:26 pm
If I could bring the discussion back to Barry for a second…
I’ve lived in San Diego my whole life and have been a Padres fan for just as long, but I never villified Barry like other people have. I don’t know why. I don’t think the steroid accusations he’s had to endure are very fair, and he gets a lot of extremely harsh treatment from the media for being a jerk. True, nobody likes a jerk, but to a certain extent you just let people be who they are. I also think there are a lot more likely players, name players, who have used steroids, and for the most part they get off scot free. I just think Barry gets treated really badly by most people, and it’s no surprise that he’s a jerk back. And having him in San Diego would definitely make for an interesting season.
November 16, 2006 at 12:28 pm
70: better you than me!
Geoff, are you independently wealthy or what?
If I tried a project like that I’d be fired and divorced, simultaneously.
November 16, 2006 at 12:31 pm
70: Did you find a list of trades made by KT or are you scanning over years of “transactions?”
November 16, 2006 at 1:06 pm
#74 - What is not fair about the accusation of someone who admits to using two prohibited substances, but claiming he didn’t know what they were? This from the one person in sports who knows the most about exactly what goes into his body. Just because he has never tested positive, doesn’t mean he isn’t guilty. Yes, there are all sorts of players who have used (are are probably still using) performance enhancing substances. When and if they are outed, I will just as vigorously decry them. I loved what Cammy did for the Padres until I found out he was a huge user of ‘roid’s. It broke my heart and made what he did seem meaningless to me.
I too was born and raised in SD and was Padre’s fan back when Freddy Kendall, Clay Kirby, Sixto Lezcano and number11Enzo….Hernannnnndezzzz were playing. I have suffered through alot of extremely bad teams, and bad management decisions. I just hope BB is not another one of them.
November 16, 2006 at 1:09 pm
61: Geoff, I understand the Braves and the Red Sox, but who do you want from the Nationals? ^_~
November 16, 2006 at 1:26 pm
re 77: We lived next door to ‘ol Sexto Lezcano in Tierrasanta back when we lived in SD…nice guy. Garry Templeton used to come over to his house to hang out - true story.
November 16, 2006 at 1:26 pm
Bonds is a piece of crap. With or without the steroids. I don’t want to see him in a Padre uniform. I’d rather they bring Greg Vaughn out of retirement.
77
I’m not a Cammy apologist, but at least the guy was a good teammate. The fact that he owned up doesn’t make what he did any better, but . . . he did own up to it.
November 16, 2006 at 1:40 pm
#80 - I agree that he did fess up and that says alot about the guy plus his teammates loved him. Still, that does not excuse his actions as you said. I was equally sad that he slid back into his dark pit and started (or continued) using crack and ultimately paid the eternal price for it.
Barroid on the other hand is about as arrogant and high-n-mighty (and reportedly dis-liked by most of his teammates) as they come.
November 16, 2006 at 2:06 pm
http://www.metsblog.com/blog/_.....04918.html
“There has been some confusion today over a rumor that was said to have started on ESPN Radio.
“However, according to ESPN Radio, no guest announced a potential deal between the Braves and Padres involving Jake Peavy during today’s broadcast.
“Also, I swapped e-mails with Jerry Crasnick, who states he did not report any such information, as well.”
…interesting… The deal actually made sense in a lot of ways. I wouldn’t be surprised if the two teams were working on something like that.
November 16, 2006 at 2:09 pm
#83 - I like the “Fan Confidence Index” on the Metsblog..sort of like the Consumer Confidence measure. If we had something like that, you could have watched fan confidence crash right after the trade deadline, then slowly rise through Aug/Sep…fun stuff.
November 16, 2006 at 2:10 pm
I can imagine KT calling Crasnik and yelling at him saying “Crasnik, I told you not to publish that yet. I said you would get first crack at the news, but not until I tell you it’s OK. Now, you may have jsut screwed up the deal I was trying to push through!”
November 16, 2006 at 2:10 pm
82: Your favorite D-Ray, Baldelli, is supposedly being shopped for “premium” young pitching.
November 16, 2006 at 2:12 pm
re 82-how does trading Peavy for those 3 make any sense at all?
Is Giles really that different from Walker?
Is Ramirez really that different from Thompson?
It makes a ton of sense for the Braves-would you expect the Twins to trade Santana to the Padres for Greene, Carillo and Hensley?
November 16, 2006 at 2:13 pm
86: Giles is a good bit better than Walker.
November 16, 2006 at 2:13 pm
86: And Peavy is no Santana.
November 16, 2006 at 2:20 pm
Peavy is no Santana, but considering salaries I would think their values are closer then you might think.
November 16, 2006 at 2:25 pm
86.
Like I said before… I LOVE Peavy but you’re out of your F-ING MIND if you think he is on the same level as Johan Santana! IMO and I am pretty sure there are some others that would agree with me but Santana is the best pitcher on the planet without a doubt. I think Jake definitely has the talent to become a top teir pitcher but he has a LONG way to go!
November 16, 2006 at 2:28 pm
Let’s see….the proposed Peavy for Atlanta deal doesn’t give us an impact bat, doesn’t solve 2b for longer than this year, and makes our rotation substantially worse. Oh, and the players we receive cost more than Peavy, further reducing our ability to get the impact bat, solve 2b, or radically improve the rotation.
Sounds like a winner!