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		<title>By: Geoff Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334710&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BjoanZ&lt;/a&gt;: Win Shares was developed by Bill James a few years ago as a way to compare players. Here are a few links you may find useful:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/2004-win-shares-have-arrived&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brief explanation of Win Shares&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseballgraphs.com/main/index.php/site/details/#sharecalc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How Win Shares are calculated&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Win-Shares-Bill-James/dp/1931584036&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Win Shares book&lt;/a&gt;

As to your other question, Perry&#039;s &#039;78 season netted 18 Win Shares, while RJ&#039;s &#039;76 netted... hmm, I&#039;m very glad you asked this question because I&#039;ve made an error. Jones had 21 Win Shares that season. Thanks for the catch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10@<a href="#comment-334710" rel="nofollow">BjoanZ</a>: Win Shares was developed by Bill James a few years ago as a way to compare players. Here are a few links you may find useful:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/2004-win-shares-have-arrived" rel="nofollow">Brief explanation of Win Shares</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.baseballgraphs.com/main/index.php/site/details/#sharecalc" rel="nofollow">How Win Shares are calculated</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Win-Shares-Bill-James/dp/1931584036" rel="nofollow">Win Shares book</a></p>
<p>As to your other question, Perry&#8217;s &#8216;78 season netted 18 Win Shares, while RJ&#8217;s &#8216;76 netted&#8230; hmm, I&#8217;m very glad you asked this question because I&#8217;ve made an error. Jones had 21 Win Shares that season. Thanks for the catch!</p>
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		<title>By: BjoanZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BjoanZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To this day, Roberts remains one of four Padres starting pitchers to earn 20 or more Win Shares in a single season (Randy Jones â€˜75, Kevin Brown â€˜98, Jake Peavy â€˜07).&quot;

????

Please help me understand this statistic.
How does Kevin Brown, Jake Peavy, and Dave Roberts merit 20 game Win Shares with none of them eclipsing the actual 20 wins. Where&#039;s Gaylord Perry&#039; 21-6 record of &#039;78, and Randy Jones&#039; 22-14 Cy Young season of &#039;76?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To this day, Roberts remains one of four Padres starting pitchers to earn 20 or more Win Shares in a single season (Randy Jones â€˜75, Kevin Brown â€˜98, Jake Peavy â€˜07).&#8221;</p>
<p>????</p>
<p>Please help me understand this statistic.<br />
How does Kevin Brown, Jake Peavy, and Dave Roberts merit 20 game Win Shares with none of them eclipsing the actual 20 wins. Where&#8217;s Gaylord Perry&#8217; 21-6 record of &#8216;78, and Randy Jones&#8217; 22-14 Cy Young season of &#8216;76?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334426&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Geoff Young&lt;/a&gt;: 
#8@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334431&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve C&lt;/a&gt;: 

I&#039;m with GY on not wanting to put Antonelli in position to fail, while simultaneously gaining service time which will hasten his expensive years. People should be wary of any financial information that any baseball team chooses to share, but whatever the underlying facts, the front office may be operating on the cheap for a while. If that&#039;s so they need to make sure that a prospect&#039;s first four years coincide with the highest possible production. That might mean keeping Antonelli in AAA almost all year no matter how well he does. 

But I&#039;m with Steve on using Denker instead of Eckstein to accomplish that. It&#039;s not making me bang my head on the desk, and there may be some other benefits from Eckstein vs. Denker or LRod. If this is a year in which they&#039;ll move pitchers, a better defense behind them might possibly increase their value. A .290 average from Gritty McGritserstein might net a couple of interesting prospects mid-year. Still, they had a young second baseman in Denker who now has nowhere to play and who could turn into somebody they might want to keep around for a few years. That would seem to be more valuable to a front office laboring under financial restrictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7@<a href="#comment-334426" rel="nofollow">Geoff Young</a>:<br />
#8@<a href="#comment-334431" rel="nofollow">Steve C</a>: </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with GY on not wanting to put Antonelli in position to fail, while simultaneously gaining service time which will hasten his expensive years. People should be wary of any financial information that any baseball team chooses to share, but whatever the underlying facts, the front office may be operating on the cheap for a while. If that&#8217;s so they need to make sure that a prospect&#8217;s first four years coincide with the highest possible production. That might mean keeping Antonelli in AAA almost all year no matter how well he does. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m with Steve on using Denker instead of Eckstein to accomplish that. It&#8217;s not making me bang my head on the desk, and there may be some other benefits from Eckstein vs. Denker or LRod. If this is a year in which they&#8217;ll move pitchers, a better defense behind them might possibly increase their value. A .290 average from Gritty McGritserstein might net a couple of interesting prospects mid-year. Still, they had a young second baseman in Denker who now has nowhere to play and who could turn into somebody they might want to keep around for a few years. That would seem to be more valuable to a front office laboring under financial restrictions.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334426&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Geoff Young&lt;/a&gt;: Denker is a long shot?  I thought he was a pretty good prospect with the Giants, no?  Also I would be in favor of sticking Antonelli at 2b and letting him figure it out much like they (had to) did with Kouz.  I know last year was a down year for him but he showed that he could still control the strike zone at AAA and from most of the reports I read said he was still hitting the ball well but his hits were just not falling, but I have yet to see him play on any level (except for the small bit last season) so I really don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7@<a href="#comment-334426" rel="nofollow">Geoff Young</a>: Denker is a long shot?  I thought he was a pretty good prospect with the Giants, no?  Also I would be in favor of sticking Antonelli at 2b and letting him figure it out much like they (had to) did with Kouz.  I know last year was a down year for him but he showed that he could still control the strike zone at AAA and from most of the reports I read said he was still hitting the ball well but his hits were just not falling, but I have yet to see him play on any level (except for the small bit last season) so I really don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334421&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve C&lt;/a&gt;: I&#039;m in favor of whichever plan maximizes the likelihood that Antonelli sticks when called upon and doesn&#039;t bounce back and forth between here and Portland. The rest of those guys -- with the possible exception of Cabrera, who is an extreme longshot -- don&#039;t concern me much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6@<a href="#comment-334421" rel="nofollow">Steve C</a>: I&#8217;m in favor of whichever plan maximizes the likelihood that Antonelli sticks when called upon and doesn&#8217;t bounce back and forth between here and Portland. The rest of those guys &#8212; with the possible exception of Cabrera, who is an extreme longshot &#8212; don&#8217;t concern me much.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334418&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Geoff Young&lt;/a&gt;: I don&#039;t hate the move but who would you rather tune into see this year: Antonelli and/or Denker with L-Rod and Cabrera splitting time at SS or a mix of Eckstein, Burke L-Rod and possibly Vizquel up the middle?

I say if we are going to lose, lose with the future, not a bunch of guys who won&#039;t be here in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5@<a href="#comment-334418" rel="nofollow">Geoff Young</a>: I don&#8217;t hate the move but who would you rather tune into see this year: Antonelli and/or Denker with L-Rod and Cabrera splitting time at SS or a mix of Eckstein, Burke L-Rod and possibly Vizquel up the middle?</p>
<p>I say if we are going to lose, lose with the future, not a bunch of guys who won&#8217;t be here in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334223&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;parlo&lt;/a&gt;: Yeah, that is strange... and sad. I hope the Padres bring some guys from the original team out to the park and honor them this summer.

#2@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-334276&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mike&lt;/a&gt;: Actually, I am. When was the last time we had a middle infielder with on-base skills? Mark Loretta in &#039;05? A career .351 OBP &lt;a href=&quot;http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jan/15/15padres195219-no-headline/?padres&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;for $850k&lt;/a&gt; is looking pretty good right now from where I sit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1@<a href="#comment-334223" rel="nofollow">parlo</a>: Yeah, that is strange&#8230; and sad. I hope the Padres bring some guys from the original team out to the park and honor them this summer.</p>
<p>#2@<a href="#comment-334276" rel="nofollow">Mike</a>: Actually, I am. When was the last time we had a middle infielder with on-base skills? Mark Loretta in &#8216;05? A career .351 OBP <a href="http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jan/15/15padres195219-no-headline/?padres" rel="nofollow">for $850k</a> is looking pretty good right now from where I sit.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pads sign Eckstein.  Ya just gotta love what a gritty player he is.  Uniform is always dirty and he really hustles down to 1B on a BB!  The guy just knows how to win.  He may be 5&#039; 9&quot;, but his heart is at least 6&#039; 6&quot;!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pads sign Eckstein.  Ya just gotta love what a gritty player he is.  Uniform is always dirty and he really hustles down to 1B on a BB!  The guy just knows how to win.  He may be 5&#8242; 9&#8243;, but his heart is at least 6&#8242; 6&#8243;!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Didi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Didi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we got the grit factor up. I really don&#039;t get what the plan for this season is.

It seems like the Padres just pick a handful of players and throw them against the wall to see which ones are al dente.

Meanwhile, the lack of starting pitching is not addressed at all and we are 30 days to reporting. As it stands today, Luis Rodriguez is the starting SS and The Eck at 2B. Whoopee!

I hope Antonelli will have a good Spring Training and April in AAA just so he&#039;ll push The Eck off to the bench/platoon SS.

Antonelli is the future and he just need some seasoning at AAA. I hope he&#039;ll arrive sooner than June.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we got the grit factor up. I really don&#8217;t get what the plan for this season is.</p>
<p>It seems like the Padres just pick a handful of players and throw them against the wall to see which ones are al dente.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the lack of starting pitching is not addressed at all and we are 30 days to reporting. As it stands today, Luis Rodriguez is the starting SS and The Eck at 2B. Whoopee!</p>
<p>I hope Antonelli will have a good Spring Training and April in AAA just so he&#8217;ll push The Eck off to the bench/platoon SS.</p>
<p>Antonelli is the future and he just need some seasoning at AAA. I hope he&#8217;ll arrive sooner than June.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right are you pumped or what, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9080942/Pads-OK-deal-with-Eckstein;-Vizquel-out?&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Padres just signed David Eckstein&lt;/a&gt; to a one year deal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right are you pumped or what, the <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9080942/Pads-OK-deal-with-Eckstein;-Vizquel-out?" rel="nofollow">Padres just signed David Eckstein</a> to a one year deal!</p>
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