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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-315307&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Waits&lt;/a&gt;: I don&#039;t think I ever denied slamming the fans. I don&#039;t see anything I said as inflammatory. I don&#039;t think &quot;lame&quot; is a racy word. I didn&#039;t use any sort of epithet.

But we just disagree, which is fine.

I wish the talk radio guys acted more like journalists instead of the guy in the stands with a beer. But that&#039;s fine, too. The world does not conform to what I want it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12@<a href="#comment-315307" rel="nofollow">Tom Waits</a>: I don&#8217;t think I ever denied slamming the fans. I don&#8217;t see anything I said as inflammatory. I don&#8217;t think &#8220;lame&#8221; is a racy word. I didn&#8217;t use any sort of epithet.</p>
<p>But we just disagree, which is fine.</p>
<p>I wish the talk radio guys acted more like journalists instead of the guy in the stands with a beer. But that&#8217;s fine, too. The world does not conform to what I want it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/11/blast-from-the-past-notes-on-an-old-rant.html/comment-page-1#comment-315993</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-315307&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Waits&lt;/a&gt;: I should add, it&#039;s intellectually dishonest of anyone to claim that people are ONLY upset about the WAY the front office has handled the recent news. That&#039;s simply patronizing. It&#039;s Wise Old Alderson patting the fans on the head and saying &quot;Once you&#039;re older, you&#039;ll understand and things like this won&#039;t upset you so.&quot; Bull. Lots of people are upset about the news itself, that the Padres, who supposedly needed Petco to create a foundation for competitiveness, are now at the mercy of non-baseball related financial issues. They&#039;re cutting payroll to the point that it could be covered by the team&#039;s portion of MLBAM, revenue sharing, and the national media deals. A lot of fans are upset about that more than they are about the ham-fisted front office stance. It&#039;s NOT just soft-skinned fans wanting a kinder, gentler management team. The news itself is the primary driver in the negative reactions, not the way that Burgermeister Meisterburger Alderson presents that news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12@<a href="#comment-315307" rel="nofollow">Tom Waits</a>: I should add, it&#8217;s intellectually dishonest of anyone to claim that people are ONLY upset about the WAY the front office has handled the recent news. That&#8217;s simply patronizing. It&#8217;s Wise Old Alderson patting the fans on the head and saying &#8220;Once you&#8217;re older, you&#8217;ll understand and things like this won&#8217;t upset you so.&#8221; Bull. Lots of people are upset about the news itself, that the Padres, who supposedly needed Petco to create a foundation for competitiveness, are now at the mercy of non-baseball related financial issues. They&#8217;re cutting payroll to the point that it could be covered by the team&#8217;s portion of MLBAM, revenue sharing, and the national media deals. A lot of fans are upset about that more than they are about the ham-fisted front office stance. It&#8217;s NOT just soft-skinned fans wanting a kinder, gentler management team. The news itself is the primary driver in the negative reactions, not the way that Burgermeister Meisterburger Alderson presents that news.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#11@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-315195&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin&lt;/a&gt;: Really, you don&#039;t see how writing &quot;I shouldnâ€™t be surprised by the fans. And I shouldnâ€™t be surprised that the guys on XX Sports Radio are the voice of the fans and ask lame questions&quot; is an obvious slam on the fans? If the people reflecting the concerns of the fans are asking lame questions, the fans themselves, and their reactions to this situation, are therefore lame. You don&#039;t see that as even mildly inflammatory?

I would hardly classify myself as a talk radio fan, but I&#039;m upset about both the baseball side of things (how did their process fail so badly in 2008) AND disappointed in the way the team is handling the news. I&#039;m far from the only fan who sees the past season, probably the past year and a half, as an almost complete disaster. When anyone -- say Sandy Alderson -- acts as if fans have a moral obligation to believe the team rather than our own eyes or competing viewpoints, that&#039;s a problem for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11@<a href="#comment-315195" rel="nofollow">Kevin</a>: Really, you don&#8217;t see how writing &#8220;I shouldnâ€™t be surprised by the fans. And I shouldnâ€™t be surprised that the guys on XX Sports Radio are the voice of the fans and ask lame questions&#8221; is an obvious slam on the fans? If the people reflecting the concerns of the fans are asking lame questions, the fans themselves, and their reactions to this situation, are therefore lame. You don&#8217;t see that as even mildly inflammatory?</p>
<p>I would hardly classify myself as a talk radio fan, but I&#8217;m upset about both the baseball side of things (how did their process fail so badly in 2008) AND disappointed in the way the team is handling the news. I&#8217;m far from the only fan who sees the past season, probably the past year and a half, as an almost complete disaster. When anyone &#8212; say Sandy Alderson &#8212; acts as if fans have a moral obligation to believe the team rather than our own eyes or competing viewpoints, that&#8217;s a problem for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-313135&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Waits&lt;/a&gt;: I donâ€™t see how my comment deserved your snarky one, but I will do my best to address it.

I made sure to point out that yes, the Padres are doing a poor job of public relations. I said that itâ€™s an area that matters.

I simply said that having a poor front office with great PR skills would be worse. Not a controversial statment. Maybe a mild rant.

I didnâ€™t comment one way or the other about Moores and his personal and financial situation. Iâ€™m not talking about fans reacting with skepticism. I was talking about the reactions of hurt feelings.

You are talking about the &quot;whys&quot; of what is happening, which is, of course, a valid discussion. What I said is: People are not focusing on baseball decisions and the &quot;whys.&quot; They are focusing on their hurt feelings, taking what they see as a personal affront to Hoffman as a personal affront to them.

All this is their right, of course. I was just saying â€” take a deep breath. Not a controversial statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7@<a href="#comment-313135" rel="nofollow">Tom Waits</a>: I donâ€™t see how my comment deserved your snarky one, but I will do my best to address it.</p>
<p>I made sure to point out that yes, the Padres are doing a poor job of public relations. I said that itâ€™s an area that matters.</p>
<p>I simply said that having a poor front office with great PR skills would be worse. Not a controversial statment. Maybe a mild rant.</p>
<p>I didnâ€™t comment one way or the other about Moores and his personal and financial situation. Iâ€™m not talking about fans reacting with skepticism. I was talking about the reactions of hurt feelings.</p>
<p>You are talking about the &#8220;whys&#8221; of what is happening, which is, of course, a valid discussion. What I said is: People are not focusing on baseball decisions and the &#8220;whys.&#8221; They are focusing on their hurt feelings, taking what they see as a personal affront to Hoffman as a personal affront to them.</p>
<p>All this is their right, of course. I was just saying â€” take a deep breath. Not a controversial statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-313451&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Schlom&lt;/a&gt;: No one&#039;s disputed that there are reasonable baseball reasons to move on from Hoffman. How smart is it to handle the situation in a way that further alienates your fans? How smart is it for the front office to once again act as if they DON&#039;T need to build trust with the public?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8@<a href="#comment-313451" rel="nofollow">Schlom</a>: No one&#8217;s disputed that there are reasonable baseball reasons to move on from Hoffman. How smart is it to handle the situation in a way that further alienates your fans? How smart is it for the front office to once again act as if they DON&#8217;T need to build trust with the public?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-312801&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin&lt;/a&gt;: Thanks, Kevin.  I was confused by the Mission Bay reference.  It didn&#039;t really seem to tie in with the Padres.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6@<a href="#comment-312801" rel="nofollow">Kevin</a>: Thanks, Kevin.  I was confused by the Mission Bay reference.  It didn&#8217;t really seem to tie in with the Padres.</p>
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		<title>By: Schlom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schlom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-313135&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Waits&lt;/a&gt;: I think they were in an impossible situation with Hoffman.  I could see why they didn&#039;t want him back (although it&#039;s true that you can make an argument that last year&#039;s HR numbers were fluky and they will improve, of course you could say that with the rest of the numbers as well going in the opposite direction).

Four to five million dollars is a lot to spend on the third or fourth best reliever in your bullpen.  In fact, Trevor hasn&#039;t been the best reliever in the pen since 2001 (according to VORP).  With his stuff, or lack thereof, he&#039;s just too unreliable as a 9th inning closer, certainly with a one run lead.  And if he&#039;s on the Padres, he almost certainly has to be the closer (not even counting the salary).  He might not be the worst closer in the majors, but he has to be the one with the least overpowering stuff.  And unlike a majority of pitchers, if his location is off, than his only hope is that batters either miss his meatballs or they get hit right at people.  That&#039;s not exactly the profile I&#039;d want out of my highest paid reliever.

Even if Moores was the greatest owner in the world it still might not make sense to re-sign Hoffman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7@<a href="#comment-313135" rel="nofollow">Tom Waits</a>: I think they were in an impossible situation with Hoffman.  I could see why they didn&#8217;t want him back (although it&#8217;s true that you can make an argument that last year&#8217;s HR numbers were fluky and they will improve, of course you could say that with the rest of the numbers as well going in the opposite direction).</p>
<p>Four to five million dollars is a lot to spend on the third or fourth best reliever in your bullpen.  In fact, Trevor hasn&#8217;t been the best reliever in the pen since 2001 (according to VORP).  With his stuff, or lack thereof, he&#8217;s just too unreliable as a 9th inning closer, certainly with a one run lead.  And if he&#8217;s on the Padres, he almost certainly has to be the closer (not even counting the salary).  He might not be the worst closer in the majors, but he has to be the one with the least overpowering stuff.  And unlike a majority of pitchers, if his location is off, than his only hope is that batters either miss his meatballs or they get hit right at people.  That&#8217;s not exactly the profile I&#8217;d want out of my highest paid reliever.</p>
<p>Even if Moores was the greatest owner in the world it still might not make sense to re-sign Hoffman.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-312801&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin&lt;/a&gt;: The Padres are in the entertainment business. One of baseball&#039;s strongest selling points, relative to other sports and particularly to other entertainment choices, is the connection fans make with players. It&#039;s simply stupid on the part of the Padres to ignore it, especially when it would take relatively little effort to explain things differently. 

For somebody who &quot;did a lot of research&quot; about possible fan reactions to a Bonds signing and claimed that it was a terrible idea BECAUSE of those potential reactions, this is a surprising about-face. 

Does anyone believe, or have a shred of evidence to believe, that these moves arenâ€™t motivated by Mooresâ€™ personal and financial situation? Of course thereâ€™s going to be a focus on the non-baseball aspects, because the root cause of the decisions is not related to constructing a team. The Padres had strong reasons to believe theyâ€™d compete last year. Are we now to believe that their methodology changed so much that theyâ€™re forced to throw in the towel because they think they canâ€™t manage 86 wins next year with some changes? It would be crazy if people DIDNâ€™T react with skepticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6@<a href="#comment-312801" rel="nofollow">Kevin</a>: The Padres are in the entertainment business. One of baseball&#8217;s strongest selling points, relative to other sports and particularly to other entertainment choices, is the connection fans make with players. It&#8217;s simply stupid on the part of the Padres to ignore it, especially when it would take relatively little effort to explain things differently. </p>
<p>For somebody who &#8220;did a lot of research&#8221; about possible fan reactions to a Bonds signing and claimed that it was a terrible idea BECAUSE of those potential reactions, this is a surprising about-face. </p>
<p>Does anyone believe, or have a shred of evidence to believe, that these moves arenâ€™t motivated by Mooresâ€™ personal and financial situation? Of course thereâ€™s going to be a focus on the non-baseball aspects, because the root cause of the decisions is not related to constructing a team. The Padres had strong reasons to believe theyâ€™d compete last year. Are we now to believe that their methodology changed so much that theyâ€™re forced to throw in the towel because they think they canâ€™t manage 86 wins next year with some changes? It would be crazy if people DIDNâ€™T react with skepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-312710&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pat&lt;/a&gt;: By &quot;estate sale,&quot; he means selling off the team piece by piece.

I shouldn&#039;t be surprised by the fans. And I shouldn&#039;t be surprised that the guys on XX Sports Radio are the voice of the fans and ask lame questions. 

But it does seem like there is a lot of focus on how the fans received the bad news instead of the actual news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5@<a href="#comment-312710" rel="nofollow">Pat</a>: By &#8220;estate sale,&#8221; he means selling off the team piece by piece.</p>
<p>I shouldn&#8217;t be surprised by the fans. And I shouldn&#8217;t be surprised that the guys on XX Sports Radio are the voice of the fans and ask lame questions. </p>
<p>But it does seem like there is a lot of focus on how the fans received the bad news instead of the actual news.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-312237&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Geoff Young&lt;/a&gt;: I&#039;m a bit out of touch as I left for Iraq last Saturday.  What is the estate sale referred to?

#4@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-312442&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin&lt;/a&gt;: It sounds like you are surprised the fans are being emotional.  But I&#039;m sure you know that&#039;s what fans do, react emotionally, and business is, or tries to be, rational.  Hopefully both situations, Peavy and Hoffman, will work out for the club business-wise and then the fans can be happy with the increased wins and/or new and productive players.  Either way it will be an interesting winter, imo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2@<a href="#comment-312237" rel="nofollow">Geoff Young</a>: I&#8217;m a bit out of touch as I left for Iraq last Saturday.  What is the estate sale referred to?</p>
<p>#4@<a href="#comment-312442" rel="nofollow">Kevin</a>: It sounds like you are surprised the fans are being emotional.  But I&#8217;m sure you know that&#8217;s what fans do, react emotionally, and business is, or tries to be, rational.  Hopefully both situations, Peavy and Hoffman, will work out for the club business-wise and then the fans can be happy with the increased wins and/or new and productive players.  Either way it will be an interesting winter, imo.</p>
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