Comments on: O Solo Mio http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/08/o-solo-mio.html Blogging the San Diego Padres baseball club. Established 1997. Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:18:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Pat http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/08/o-solo-mio.html#comment-224409 Pat Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:39:21 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2690#comment-224409 #104@<a href="#comment-224355" rel="nofollow">JP</a>: "However, with the NL being as weak as it in that particular position and Giles not hitting much for power or running well as a corner outfielder, on the surface he just doesn’t strike me as an All Star." What the heck is that supposed to mean? You just looked it up and found he's the 2nd (or 3rd if you want to inlcude X) best RF in the league. VORP is the stat you used and it incorporates both power and base stealing, so how does his not hitting for much power or running as well as a corner OF (not sure where this comes from; are there a ton of base stealing threats at the corner positions I haven't noticed?) impact the issue? The fact is he's performing at an All Star level offensively, plays an excellent RF in a tough park, and runs the bases well despite not being a base stealer. People overlook this becasue the Pads stink, Petco suppresses his offensive numbers, and he's always played in small markets without the media attention, imo.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-224409">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #104@JP: “However, with the NL being as weak as it in that particular position and Giles not hitting much for power or running well as a corner outfielder, on the surface he just doesn’t strike me as an All Star.”

What the heck is that supposed to mean? You just looked it up and found he’s the 2nd (or 3rd if you want to inlcude X) best RF in the league. VORP is the stat you used and it incorporates both power and base stealing, so how does his not hitting for much power or running as well as a corner OF (not sure where this comes from; are there a ton of base stealing threats at the corner positions I haven’t noticed?) impact the issue?

The fact is he’s performing at an All Star level offensively, plays an excellent RF in a tough park, and runs the bases well despite not being a base stealer. People overlook this becasue the Pads stink, Petco suppresses his offensive numbers, and he’s always played in small markets without the media attention, imo.

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]]> By: Pat http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/08/o-solo-mio.html#comment-224398 Pat Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:19:40 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2690#comment-224398 #93@<a href="#comment-223639" rel="nofollow">JMAR</a>: OK, I certainly agree you want more power out of a 3 hitter than Giles has left, but I still can't get behind condeming his performance with RISP based on 86 AB's this year. Yes, he's only hitting .256, but 86 AB's is really not representative of his "skill" in those situations and he still has a .380 OBP with RISP. Look at him over a longer period. You have to go back to 2004 to find a season in which he hit under .300 with RISP. Career he's .301. The guy is a great hitter now and over the length of his career. No, he's not the ideal 3 hitter, but you can't deny his performance and his value based on a .256 BA with RISP in just 86 AB's.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-224398">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #93@JMAR: OK, I certainly agree you want more power out of a 3 hitter than Giles has left, but I still can’t get behind condeming his performance with RISP based on 86 AB’s this year. Yes, he’s only hitting .256, but 86 AB’s is really not representative of his “skill” in those situations and he still has a .380 OBP with RISP. Look at him over a longer period. You have to go back to 2004 to find a season in which he hit under .300 with RISP. Career he’s .301. The guy is a great hitter now and over the length of his career. No, he’s not the ideal 3 hitter, but you can’t deny his performance and his value based on a .256 BA with RISP in just 86 AB’s.

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]]> By: JP http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/08/o-solo-mio.html#comment-224355 JP Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:36:35 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2690#comment-224355 When you look at his VORP, Giles is 9th in mlb among rightfielders but, with Nady's exit, now 2nd in the NL. I suppose that technically he is close to NL all star calibar for his position. However, with the NL being as weak as it in that particular position and Giles not hitting much for power or running well as a corner outfielder, on the surface he just doesn't strike me as an All Star.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-224355">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> When you look at his VORP, Giles is 9th in mlb among rightfielders but, with Nady’s exit, now 2nd in the NL. I suppose that technically he is close to NL all star calibar for his position. However, with the NL being as weak as it in that particular position and Giles not hitting much for power or running well as a corner outfielder, on the surface he just doesn’t strike me as an All Star.

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]]> By: JP http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/08/o-solo-mio.html#comment-224349 JP Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:22:59 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2690#comment-224349 #102@<a href="#comment-224293" rel="nofollow">Kevin</a>: Probably went overboard myself with "not even close". He's a good player but not an All Star.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-224349">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #102@Kevin: Probably went overboard myself with “not even close”. He’s a good player but not an All Star.

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]]> By: Kevin http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/08/o-solo-mio.html#comment-224293 Kevin Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:35:51 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2690#comment-224293 #100@<a href="#comment-224274" rel="nofollow">JP</a>: Oh, really. "Not even close" is not close to being true.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-224293">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #100@JP: Oh, really. “Not even close” is not close to being true.

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]]> By: Masticore317 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/08/o-solo-mio.html#comment-224280 Masticore317 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:16:12 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2690#comment-224280 I'm a little confused by people who are upset if a player exercises a no trade type clause, especially if the team is the one who gave him the contract to begin with. The team gave him that right. For whatever reason, if he wants to use it, it's his right to do so.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-224280">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> I’m a little confused by people who are upset if a player exercises a no trade type clause, especially if the team is the one who gave him the contract to begin with. The team gave him that right. For whatever reason, if he wants to use it, it’s his right to do so.

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]]> By: JP http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/08/o-solo-mio.html#comment-224274 JP Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:08:03 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2690#comment-224274 #43@<a href="#comment-223384" rel="nofollow">Kevin</a>: Giles is no longer all star player. Not even close anymore to all star status. But I respect him tremendously because he is a gamer who leaves it all on the field.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-224274">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #43@Kevin: Giles is no longer all star player. Not even close anymore to all star status. But I respect him tremendously because he is a gamer who leaves it all on the field.

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]]> By: Masticore317 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/08/o-solo-mio.html#comment-224130 Masticore317 Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:05:29 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2690#comment-224130 #64@<a href="#comment-223504" rel="nofollow">Tom Waits</a>: LOL - classic!<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-224130">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #64@Tom Waits: LOL - classic!

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]]> By: David M http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/08/o-solo-mio.html#comment-223720 David M Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:18:46 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2690#comment-223720 My main point which some of you are missing, is that at that time, people had doubts about Tony's commitment to winning. They called the talk shows and basically said he couldn't hack it in the big time thats why he staid in San Diego. As for blocking a trade, the point is choice. Tony didn't test the free agent market where he may have received a big time contract. And people doubted him for this. He made a choice as Giles did. Blocking is irrelevant.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-223720">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> My main point which some of you are missing, is that at that time, people had doubts about Tony’s commitment to winning. They called the talk shows and basically said he couldn’t hack it in the big time thats why he staid in San Diego.

As for blocking a trade, the point is choice. Tony didn’t test the free agent market where he may have received a big time contract. And people doubted him for this.

He made a choice as Giles did. Blocking is irrelevant.

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]]> By: Schlom http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/08/o-solo-mio.html#comment-223689 Schlom Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:39:58 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2690#comment-223689 #90@<a href="#comment-223594" rel="nofollow">LynchMob</a>: Other then Rick Wilkins, Gerut is joined on that list by some really great hitters, especially (Large Willy)* Allen. * Got to get by the filter somehow.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-223689">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #90@LynchMob: Other then Rick Wilkins, Gerut is joined on that list by some really great hitters, especially (Large Willy)* Allen.

* Got to get by the filter somehow.

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