IGD: Padres @ Mets (7 Aug 08)
Thu, Aug 7, 2008
by Geoff Young
Padres @ Mets
9:10 a.m. PT
DIRECTV 722 (Mets feed)
AM 1090, FM 105.7, XM 187
MLB, B-R
Morning baseball. Huzzah.
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Meanwhile, my latest article is up at Hardball Times: Remembering the 1983 Lynchburg Mets. Relevance? Well, the Padres are playing the Mets. Also, a few of the guys on that team have San Diego ties: right-hander Calvin Schiraldi spent some time with the Friars, outfielder Darryl Denby attended Lincoln High, and first baseman Randy Milligan attended Mesa College.
So there.
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August 7, 2008 at 8:44 am
FJ has this info up …
Scott Hairston, CF
Tadahito Iguchi, 2B
Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
Kevin Kouzmanoff, 3B
Chase Headley, LF
Jody Gerut, RF
Nick Hundley, C
Luis Rodriguez, SS
Josh Banks, P
Manager Bud Black told the San Diego Union-Tribune this morning that RF Brian Giles had a planned day off becuse of the day game following a night game.
August 7, 2008 at 8:53 am
Thanks for the link to that piece on the 1983 L-Mets, Geoff. I was born and raised in Lynchburg, and have fond memories of that team and the 1984 club (which featured future Friar Shawn Abner). Very few teams have, as you mentioned, just walked through the minors the way those teams did.
It was really amusing seeing the 1986 NY Mets come to Lynchburg for an exhibition game, and seeing all those guys that had just passed through now members of the big club. I still remember Roger McDowell saying to me, “they let you guys out of school to come see this?” as he signed an autograph for me.
I’m no Met fan these days, but I still remember those early 80s clubs before the PDC was allowed to expire a few years later and the Red Sox moved in. Great times. Thanks for the read.
August 7, 2008 at 9:08 am
Ken Rosenthal’s column on Brian Giles:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....amp;ATT=MA
August 7, 2008 at 9:18 am
Also, typically great Dirk Hayhurst column in Baseball America:
http://www.baseballamerica.com.....66611.html
The Padres need to call him up. Could he be any worse than Bryan Corey?
August 7, 2008 at 9:23 am
4: Bryan Corey still with the club? I didn’t realize his bench-warming prowess was that great. It’s mid summer already, no more bench-warmer needed.
August 7, 2008 at 9:23 am
The UT is reporting the Boston claimed Giles on waivers:
http://www3.signonsandiego.com.....es/?padres
Considering that Boston is on Giles no trade list: Does that mean that Boston can safely use a waiver claim to block transactions, without having to be concerened with the Padres turning over the contract?
August 7, 2008 at 9:36 am
Wow. Headley with another HR. He needs a nickname.
August 7, 2008 at 9:44 am
#7@Didi: Chase “The Padres 2009 3B” Headley
August 7, 2008 at 9:45 am
#7 - anything we can work out with Blazing Saddles references?
Supposedly the other teams that wanted to put a claim on Giles including the Rays and the Angels
What in the world could we get for Giles at any of those places?
August 7, 2008 at 9:47 am
Giles would have to accept the trade to the red sox which I dont think he will do unless they pick up his 2009 option. I dont see Giles going anywhere…
August 7, 2008 at 9:48 am
#6@Field39: If Boston was the team that won the claim, that means we know every other team in baseball except the Angels and Rays didn’t claim him. That’s really stupid of a team like the Mets, who are running out Dan Murphy and Fernando Tatis as their corner outfielders.
August 7, 2008 at 9:49 am
wow santana just walked banks…
August 7, 2008 at 9:49 am
After 2 …
Pitches-strikes - J Banks 34-22; J Santana 30-22.
Ground balls-fly balls - J Banks 2-1; J Santana 0-4.
Batters faced - J Banks 8; J Santana 7.
… sure seems like the Padres hit a lot of solo HRs …
August 7, 2008 at 9:51 am
#11@Ben B.: What part of Tatis’ .315 / .359 / .525 do you think is hurting the Mets? I’m in shock about how Amazin’ Tatis has been this season …
August 7, 2008 at 9:53 am
#9@Loren: I like “Lamarr.”
August 7, 2008 at 9:54 am
#14@LynchMob: The part where he is unlikely to keep it up. No question he’s been very good to this point though.
August 7, 2008 at 10:00 am
#15 @Field39
Not to sound too much like a snob but damn that’s just too easy and obvious. There’s gotta be something better
August 7, 2008 at 10:01 am
Thru 3 …
Pitches-strikes - J Banks 43-29; J Santana 51-35.
Ground balls-fly balls - J Banks 3-3; J Santana 0-5.
Batters faced - J Banks 12; J Santana 11.
… is Banks solid or shaky?
August 7, 2008 at 10:08 am
Seems like the timing of Chase’s SB is very good … get Gerut in position for an RBI …
August 7, 2008 at 10:10 am
Now that I know who claimed Giles, I think it’s unlikely he’s going anywhere unless the Padres really just want to save $6 million dollars and let him go for nothing. The Red Sox already have Jason Bay in LF and JD Drew in RF. Unless there is concern about DH David Ortiz’ wrist, there is nowhere for Giles to play in Boston. It’s pretty obvious they were just blocking him from Tampa Bay.
August 7, 2008 at 10:14 am
#2@Brian Wilmer: Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
#13@LynchMob: Coming into today, 60.2% of the Padres homers have come with the bases empty; MLB average this year is 56.5%.
#17@Loren: We also have a reader and occasional commenter named Lamar. We decided last year that would be too confusing.
August 7, 2008 at 10:14 am
Does anybody know how August trading works? If the Red Sox and Pads cannot come to an agreement in 48 hours, do the Angels or Rays get a shot at working out something? Or is Giles just stuck in SD?
August 7, 2008 at 10:17 am
#22@Geoff B: Giles either goes to the Sox or he stays with the pads, those are the only 2 options now, but Giles can also block himself from going to the sox so it looks like he will stay in SD…
August 7, 2008 at 10:19 am
#21@Geoff Young: Pshhh who cares about that LaMar guy! - j/k LaMar :).
August 7, 2008 at 10:19 am
#22@Geoff B: If a trade is not worked out, I think the Pads can decide to just let him go, but from what I’ve read, he could block that move even though it’s not a trade. Or the Pads can just pull him back off of waivers. No other team has a chance to acquire him for the rest of the season, from what I understand.
August 7, 2008 at 10:28 am
That 4th inning play on Santana’s FC bunt in which Kouzmanoff received the throw from Hundley “flat footed” thus getting nothing on the throw to first to complete the double play. Does that play show up in any sort of defensive stat ? Mets color man Keith Hernandez said that Kouzmanoff was “caught flat footed because he did not anticipate the play”.
August 7, 2008 at 10:34 am
Unfortunately I imagine the FO is really looking at Kouz and thinking that it’s time to trade him and soon.
August 7, 2008 at 10:46 am
Leadoff double is nice.
Anyone know what happened to Castro, the Mets Catcher?
August 7, 2008 at 10:47 am
Hairston on 3rd with 1 away. Let’s get him home and tie it up.
August 7, 2008 at 10:48 am
#28@Pat: Was he the catcher that got hurt on that odd base-running by Loretta & Pence where they both slid into home at the same time?
August 7, 2008 at 10:49 am
Nice eye by Adrian, judging by Gameday anyway. 1st and 3rd.
August 7, 2008 at 10:51 am
Ugh, doesn’t look like Kouz swung at a good pitch. And he grounds into the inning ending DP. Blech!
August 7, 2008 at 10:52 am
#30@LynchMob: Not sure. He started today, but I saw he was already replaced by another catcher. I was thinking he might have been injured today.
August 7, 2008 at 10:54 am
That’s just horrible. A lead-off double and the heart of the order coming up, down by one, and they can’t even squeak out one run.
August 7, 2008 at 10:57 am
#20@JMAR: ESPN is reporting that Boston is concerned with Lowell and Ortiz, possibly opening up a spot for Giles as the DL.
August 7, 2008 at 11:00 am
#33@Pat: Yahoo’s game box score now says this …
NEW YORK CATCHER RAMON CASTRO LEFT THE GAME IN THE TOP OF THE FIFTH INNING DUE TO A SORE RIGHT ANKLE.
August 7, 2008 at 11:01 am
#35@BigWorm: I assume that’s just a funny typo?
August 7, 2008 at 11:04 am
#37@LynchMob: Um, which part?
August 7, 2008 at 11:05 am
#37@LynchMob: Ah yes, the DL part. I don’t know, maybe they wanted a star-studded DL.
August 7, 2008 at 11:15 am
Another 5 inning outing from a Padre starter? Geez. I think Josh Banks has been OK in the rotation. He never really has a horrible outing but he is another 5-6 inning pitcher, which is exactly what they don’t need with this bullpen.
Baek has shown the ability to pitch deeper into games and if he can just start pitching better at Petco, I think he would be a pretty good option as the #5 starter in the ‘09 rotation. I know a lot of people here don’t like his stuff at all but there hasn’t been too many guys on this team in the last few years that can give the team more than 6 solid innings at a time.
August 7, 2008 at 11:29 am
Giles just PH so we know he is atleast still with the team
August 7, 2008 at 11:36 am
Kouz with another GiDP to end the rally. Crap. That’s his 10 of the season, I think, the last two ending rallies.
Drat! Why can’t he just strike out there?
August 7, 2008 at 11:36 am
wow Kouz is 2 for 2 today on grounding into double plays with a man on third one out.
August 7, 2008 at 11:37 am
why is Brian Corey in the game? the Pads are only down by one run!
August 7, 2008 at 11:38 am
How can the moron Met announcers continue to insist Evans’ foot was on the bag there? He was a good three inches shy of it.
August 7, 2008 at 11:38 am
Why is Bryan Corey coming into a close game?
Hmm, I just looked at the other options, and it’s really Corey, Hampson, Hensley, or Ledezma. Talk about uninspiring.
August 7, 2008 at 11:39 am
Again, seriously? Couldn’t you just have K’d?
August 7, 2008 at 11:41 am
#36@LynchMob: Thanks LM!
August 7, 2008 at 11:42 am
WTF? The umpires are stupid. Great job, Ump! Go back to AAA.
August 7, 2008 at 11:42 am
Hensley hands down…why do the pads refuse to bring up Hayhurst I wonder if they will lose him in the rule 5 draft next year.
August 7, 2008 at 11:46 am
What the heck was going on with the lineup debacle?
I see no reason to not have Edgar at 2B. Anybody knows?
August 7, 2008 at 11:46 am
#40@JMAR: 5 IP is certainly not what your looking for, but it sure seems like with modern bullpen usage a 6 inning starter is pretty much the norm once you’ve moved beyond your 1 and 2. Haven’t really looked at data, but that’s my off the cuff take. What do you think?
August 7, 2008 at 11:47 am
#42@Didi: Did you see the 2nd pitch in the sequence that Joe Smith delivered to Kouz in that at bat. It was a foot and a half outside the strike zone and Kouz of course swung at it.
Ted Williams once said “in every at bat you get one good pitch to swing at”. In Kouzmanoff’s mind, you get 4.
August 7, 2008 at 11:47 am
Whoa, Scott Hairston is playing second base. And of course the first two balls are hit to him.
August 7, 2008 at 11:47 am
Apparently Buddy can’t even fill out a lineup card for the umpire.:)
August 7, 2008 at 11:48 am
#51@Didi: I speculated yesterday he’s been slumping and Iguchi could possibly, albeit remote, bring someone in trade. Combining those two leads me to conclude we’ll see more of Iguchi and less of Edgar for at least the rest of the month. My .02 anyway.
August 7, 2008 at 11:49 am
#55@Surfin’ Bird: We have no idea what really happened yet.
August 7, 2008 at 11:51 am
Re: 51
Apparently Buddy and the rookie home plate umpire had a little miscommunication. Once the ump wrote down whatever he wrote down, he couldn’t change. It was writ in stone. So, Giles had to stay in, even though it appears he was traded to the Red Sox, and Corey remained in the pitcher’s spot.
I think.
August 7, 2008 at 11:52 am
Last chance.
August 7, 2008 at 11:53 am
Jody Gerrut is The MAN!!!
August 7, 2008 at 11:55 am
#51@Didi: Oh, I didn’t realize what you were asking when I wrote my response in #56. Sounds like Surfin’ Bird has it answered in #58 though.
August 7, 2008 at 11:56 am
We can’t forget that in that 8th inning in which the Padres wasted yet another scoring opportunity, Hairston (stationed on second base) slid into 3rd base on a Gonzalez base hit to left.
Only 35 at bats or so, but anyone notice what Jody Gerut has done to left handers this year ? Somebody must have put something in Gerut’s cereal, the guy has been amazing in this series.
August 7, 2008 at 11:57 am
3 HRs in 3 games. 2 in the 9th inning. Gerut CRUSHED that one. We better resign this guy. he has been great on both sides of the ball all year.
August 7, 2008 at 12:02 pm
How many solo HRs has the Padres hit?
It seems to be a bunch the last week or so.
58: What? That just seems to be dumb on the umpire’s part. Why can’t he changed it after making a mistake?
August 7, 2008 at 12:04 pm
61: Ah, I get it now. Still you made a good point about Iguchi.
This 13 pitchers thing is really killing me…I just have to type that. GRRRRRRR….
August 7, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Crud!
August 7, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Re: 64
The announcer on SNY compared it, albeit tongue in cheek, to an officer writing a speeding ticket. “You can’t stop the process.
There must be something in the rule book that explains it better than I can.
August 7, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Ah, crap. Another lost this time the first base umpire got the wrong call.
Still, if Kouz would just hit the ball to the OF or not do a Khalil. Frustrating.
August 7, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Bell’s ERA just keeps going up..
I’ll say it again.. why do I watch this team that constantly stabs me in the heart?
August 7, 2008 at 12:53 pm
#54@Ben B.: Hairston played 2B??? Wow. It would be interesting to give him some time there. I’m sure we’d quickly understand why he was moved to the outfield. BUT, if he’s at least average, he’d more than offset that with his offense. Longshot, but at this point, why not?
#52@Pat: 6 inning is the norm for starters these days but having two guys that can consistently pitch into the 7th and 8th is so important, especially when the bullpen sucks as bad as the Padres’ pen. And the Padres haven’t had two starters in the rotation capable of pitching into the 7th inning in years.
August 7, 2008 at 2:10 pm
forgive me if this was already posted….Giles gone:
http://www3.signonsandiego.com.....es/?padres
August 7, 2008 at 2:11 pm
aw yeah….I guess that’s old news. Not official yet……
August 7, 2008 at 2:25 pm
#70@JMAR: It’s intriguing is it not ? Hairston played 2b today for the same reason that Fernando Valenzuela once played RF , the Pads were forced to do so because they had no one else. Yet, if Hairston could somehow get the opportunity to play 2b again and do a decent job, then it could allow the Pads to get a much needed bat in the lineup on a more regular basis.
August 7, 2008 at 2:26 pm
#72@Oside Jon: I’m sure Giles will nop approve the move, he wouldn’t start in boston unless Ortiz is hurt.
August 7, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Giles for Lugo. Done and done.
August 7, 2008 at 2:36 pm
#75@Stephen: are you serious or just hoping it will heppen?
August 7, 2008 at 2:54 pm
#70@JMAR: Yeah, it would be great to have 2 guys like that, and a 3rd guy would be optimal. Jake is pretty good at it, but CY is not one of those guys although I like him quite a bit when he’s healthy.
August 7, 2008 at 3:14 pm
#76@Steve C:
My worst fear.
August 7, 2008 at 3:17 pm
#75@Stephen: I’m sure the Padres are dying to get a shortstop with no power and a .945 fielding percentage and makes $8 million per year. At least Khalil can play defense and hit some HR’s, despite his inability to hit a breaking ball.
August 7, 2008 at 3:20 pm
#78@Stephen: LoL I was going to say Lugo + $27 mil maybe
August 7, 2008 at 3:33 pm
#74@Steve C: Well this might be letting the world know that Ortiz IS hurt, the Red Sox just haven’t revealed it yet.
Regardless, I can’t see anything happening. The Red Sox have proved unwilling to part with any of their prospects, and I can’t see the Padres doing this for anything less than one or two pretty good prospects.
August 7, 2008 at 3:48 pm
#81@BigWorm: I think at this point the Pads are just looking to unload the 3 mil left on this years contract, the 3 mil option and hoping that they will be able to re-sign him next year for the remaing $6 mil that he would have got if they picked yp his option.
August 7, 2008 at 3:50 pm
its really not a bad move to save themselves 6 mil if they can talk giles into playing for boston for the next 2+ months.
August 7, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Why are there two posts saying Giles is gone?
He is not and probably won’t be.
It is not uncommon to put players through waivers with no intention of trading them. Right?
The Red Sox did that with Manny a few years ago when he was still hitting like Manny.
August 7, 2008 at 4:59 pm
#84@Kevin:
Kevin,
You are right.
Mine was a joke, if that’s one of the two you were referring to.
August 7, 2008 at 6:34 pm
#58@Surfin’ Bird: Link here: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....rId=rss_sd
August 7, 2008 at 7:35 pm
OG is not going anywhere. That’s just a move to block by the Red Sox.
I don’t believe any deal is going to be done. Boston doesn’t strike me to need OG services.
August 7, 2008 at 8:27 pm
From Miller at CBS: a couple of sobering facts.
• These 14 teams would be in first place this week if they played in the NL West: Philadelphia, Florida, the New York Mets, the Chicago Cubs, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Arizona (of course), Tampa Bay, Boston, the Yankees, the Chicago White Sox, Minnesota, the Los Angeles Angels and Texas.
before Hairston SB:
• Either the Padres are really, really slow, or Greg Maddux is an exceptional speedster: Over their past 38 games through midweek, San Diego had stolen only one base. And that was by Maddux.
August 7, 2008 at 8:32 pm
#87@Didi: According to The Boston Herald, they want him for real.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....position=2
August 7, 2008 at 8:37 pm
#88@Didi:
Yeah, but it was from Miller. It’s for people who don’t think too hard.
August 7, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Oh, brother. Man, I used to look forward to Ringolsby’s columns as a kid. I think the LAT’s old San Diego edition ran them on Sundays. Or maybe the Blade Tribune did.
HOFer Tracy Ringolsby wrote of Giles: He’s hit a lot of leadoff for Padres, but that’s a reach. He’s never stolen 15 bases in a season.
Some commenter wrote: As a padres fan, i would love to see pierre take the place of giles in our lineup. it would be nice to see a guy who can steal a base for a change. giles was done when roid testing started.
August 8, 2008 at 10:31 am
#85@Stephen: My bad.