IGD: Padres @ Cardinals (18 Jul 08)
Fri, Jul 18, 2008
by Geoff Young
Padres @ Cardinals
5:15 p.m. PT
Channel 4SD, DIRECTV 732
AM 1090, FM 105.7, XM 184
MLB, B-R
Picking up where last year's version left off, the Ducksnorts 2008 Baseball Annual provides in-depth analysis of and commentary on the San Diego Padres. Get your copy today.
July 18, 2008 at 4:09 pm
The AZL Padres were off today … thought I’d check the league stats to see if Jaff Decker is as much of a stud as I think he is …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....mp;lid=121
… 3rd in OPS … yup, that’s the guy! And he’s behind 2 guys who have more than 2x K’s to BBs … and I like our guy with almost the flip of that (19 BBs to 10 Ks) …
(otoh, looks like the AZL Cubs have some bats, huh? … whassup with that?)
July 18, 2008 at 4:39 pm
#1@LynchMob: What’s really impressive is that all those guys hanging out with him at the top of the leaderboard are 2-3 years older than him: either college draft picks or players from the Dominican.
July 18, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Gerut leading off and playing CF again, Hairston on the bench. If the Padres are serious about going for the first overall selection in the draft next season, benching the guy with the 1502 OPS for one with a 595 is certainly a good way to go about it. I can’t wait until Tomko and Estes take regular turns in the rotation!
July 18, 2008 at 5:07 pm
#3@Schlom: Give’em hell Schlom
July 18, 2008 at 5:09 pm
This team really needs to get Mad Dog a win tonight. I’m tired (and I’m sure he is too) of seeing him pitch a good game, only to have it shot down in flames.
July 18, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Gerut starts it off well … base hit!
July 18, 2008 at 5:22 pm
More clutch hitting by the Padres! Oh yeah, I forgot that Maddux was pitching — no reason to score runs then.
July 18, 2008 at 5:25 pm
#5@Turbine Dude: I’m tired of hearing about his streak.
July 18, 2008 at 5:32 pm
#8@Kevin: Me too! That’s why I want it to end tonight. I’m also tired of hearing about Brett Favre as well…
July 18, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Well, there’s one run back, an actual hit for Greene. That opposite field home run was his first hit since July 5th.
July 18, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I stumbled across this and felt a bit embarrassed by the Padre comments
http://www.baseball-fever.com/.....hp?t=80280
July 18, 2008 at 5:54 pm
#11@parlo: Maybe that was a joke? Although certainly Bell probably should have made it — certainly over Carlos Marmol.
This team is incredibly frustrating to watch. Not only are they bad but the way they give up runs is unreal. A 4 pitch walk to crappy Cesar Izturis (with his 62 OPS+), he’s sacrificed to 2nd, Maddux completely ignores him so he steals 3rd and he scores on a groundball by Brendan Ryan. So without hitting the ball out of the infield, the Cardinals get a run with their 7-8-9 hitters.
July 18, 2008 at 5:56 pm
#11@parlo: Like many other things, stuff like that just needs to be ignored …
So, KG can still hit, huh? Cool-e-o …
July 18, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Runner on 3rd, less then two outs….what are the chances that Kouz gets him in? Normally I’d say about zero but Greene did just break a lengthly 0-fer so maybe Kouz can come through.
July 18, 2008 at 6:00 pm
This could be a historic game for the Padres! Greene with a hit after being hitless for 13 days. The Padres getting a runner home from 3rd with less then two out. A possible Greg Maddux win for the the first time in 69 (heh-heh!) days.
Is this the start of a Colorado Rockies like run?
July 18, 2008 at 6:03 pm
I just checked Khalil’s gamelog, that run he scored in the 2nd was his first run scored in July. That’s rather amazing. But I guess that might happen when you have a -42 OPS+ for July.
July 18, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Thru top of 3rd …
Pitches-strikes - G Maddux 26-18; B Looper 60-38.
Ground balls-fly balls - G Maddux 2-2; B Looper 0-7.
Batters faced - G Maddux 10; B Looper 16.
July 18, 2008 at 6:10 pm
#16@Schlom: Yow, now *that* is an anti-fun fact! Can you provide a link to where you found that?
B-R shows his YTD OPS+ = 61 … http://www.baseball-reference......kh01.shtml
July 18, 2008 at 6:14 pm
#18@LynchMob: Month by month splits:
http://www.baseball-reference......ates-month
sOPS+ is compared to the entire league, tOPS+ is only with regard to the rest of the team. It’s only -26 there. Hairston’s is 288 for July.
July 18, 2008 at 6:17 pm
That was just like watching a Little League game!
July 18, 2008 at 6:17 pm
The Prof. just made a joke out of the Cards defense! Wow!!!
July 18, 2008 at 6:18 pm
JODY!!!!!!!!!!!! YARD!!!!!!!!!!!
July 18, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Gerut is making me eat my words again! It seems like everytime I question why he’s in the lineup, he does well.
I made this comment:
http://ducksnorts.com/blog/200.....ent-205316
during this game:
http://www.baseball-reference......6300.shtml
I guess I’m going to have to bash him more often!
July 18, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Maddux has pitched well enough the last few starts to get a win.
July 18, 2008 at 6:22 pm
#24@Kevin: Nix that. Thought the Cardinals had just added three runs.
July 18, 2008 at 6:26 pm
#19@Schlom: Thanks! I want my June KG back
July 18, 2008 at 6:33 pm
You know, it’s nearly impossible to root for the Padres to lose. Personally, if the Padres don’t make the playoffs this season (which seems very unlikely) I’d like to see them finish with the worst record in the majors so they can draft Stephen Strasburg. But I’m happy that they are winning tonight even though in the long run it might not be a good thing for the team.
However with the Padres terrible luck with drafting pitchers, maybe getting the 1st overall selection won’t be a good thing.
July 18, 2008 at 6:34 pm
#12@Schlom: You are right. But I think it is a good point to consider when we see other teams “comments”
The problem with me right now is that I am really disgusted. Sometimes I cant even swallow the positive spin about some infielder who is doing well at Lake Elsinore. I think to myself, “I have been through this before with nothing to show for it” . I know it is cynical but what are my other options ? Keep believing that Kouz is an All Star in the making and Khalil is going to turn it around?
I dont want to be one of those people who shout “Padres S*ck”, but I am also having doubts about any future.
I also want to apologize to many of the posters on here who I sometimes snap at. I admire your loyalty and faith, but I am at the point that I can no longer shield the present disaster with optimistic dreams that seem like fairy tales to me.
My girlfriend of eight years has cancer. Bone Cancer. I had to take a leave of work to care for her.I am stuck around the house all day. Baseball conversation is the one thing that keeps me going. I dont want to be blasting the TV or stereo, the computer is a nice quiet companion. I want to thank all of you for your companionship and educated baseball discussion.
I think this Padres season has reached the point where it is no longer therapuetic to me. In some ways I am very dazzled by the beauty of life,…..in other ways I think it is a very cruel predetermined world. To seek escape from the ravages of cancer by smothering myself in the Padres 2008 season seems to be a cruel joke.
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Thank you for all of your companionship and healthy debate
July 18, 2008 at 6:41 pm
#28@parlo: All I can say to that is hang in there, neither situations could be much worse. God Bless.
July 18, 2008 at 6:42 pm
A good chunk of any remaining trade value that Maddux might have had prolly just went over the LCF wall a new Busch Stadium … sigh …
parlo … HANG IN THERE, BUDDY!
July 18, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Ugh, maybe Maddux isn’t going to get a win tonight. Not quite sure why you’d groove a first pitch fastball to Ludwick but I guess that’s what happens when you aren’t going well.
#28@parlo: You need to look at the positives. Just think that every bad loss puts them one step closer to a 1-2 punch of Peavy and Strasburg from 2010 until whenever Peavy gets bad (hopefully not until about 2015 or later). That’s one hell of a tandem to build around.
July 18, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Garrison having a bit of the rough night at San Antonio …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_sanaax_1
July 18, 2008 at 6:47 pm
#24@Kevin: I now re-submit the comment.
July 18, 2008 at 6:48 pm
#33@Kevin: You can see the future! What do you see happening the rest of this game?
July 18, 2008 at 6:54 pm
#31@Schlom: C’mon Schlom, I just spilled my guts.
But then again, you wouldnt be Schlom if you didnt mention Strasburg.
Four strong winds my friend!
Oh and Kevin, Trevors great but he aint going in ahead of Mariano. He will get in eventually. In the broad sweep of life, its important to remember that being number 2 is still very special.
Peace my friend.
Turbine Dude: You are the best
July 18, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Pain.
July 18, 2008 at 7:02 pm
#35@parlo: Why would you bring that up? Just to have me disagree. The horse is dead.
July 18, 2008 at 7:02 pm
OT: on XX 1090 this afternoon, someone not affiliated with the Padres was saying that he believed Edgar was good enough to be an everyday starter. I couldn’t catch much of the interview because my wife was describing her office soap operas. However, I’m tending to agree with the comment.
July 18, 2008 at 7:12 pm
#37@Kevin: As they used to say in Pittsburg … ‘79 I think … we * are * fam * i * ly
July 18, 2008 at 7:16 pm
#37@Kevin: My point was that I respected the debate, I just strongly disagreed.
Tom Waits: I always thought I was at an unfair advantage. In any debate, I always thought in the back of my head that “any guy named Tom Waits cant be all that bad” GOOD LUCK!
“You spend a good part of your life gripping a baseball, but in the end it turns out it was the other way around” JIM BOUTON
Thanks everyone!
July 18, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Adams dodged that bullet (of his own making)…
July 18, 2008 at 7:34 pm
#40@parlo: OK
July 18, 2008 at 7:35 pm
#42@Kevin: I’m only half-paying attention.
July 18, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Had to see that coming on an 11-pitch at-bat…
July 18, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Had to see that coming as soon as Thatcher came in the game. He needs to go…..
July 18, 2008 at 7:42 pm
#35@parlo: I’m just trying to help you look at the bright side! I can understand the frustration of trying to “live through the Padres,” or at least use it as a form of escapism. I’m not sure this is the correct team to use for it.
I was really impressed by Thatcher down the stretch last season, I guess that was a fluke.
July 18, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Bud with a repeat of last night’s double switch… Can’t wait to see Rodriguez hit next inning…
July 18, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Let me throw this up in the air: Could they deal Iguchi and Bard (while on the DL) for some bats? Carlin and EGone have filled in their positions nicely and both are considered rookies with relatively no trade value in my opinion. However, I think Iguchi and Bard would make for a good trade.
I’m by no means a Tom Waits or Lynch or GY, but I think it would be a senario to consider.
July 18, 2008 at 8:02 pm
#48@Turbine Dude: I don’t think you can trade a player on the DL. Not positive.
July 18, 2008 at 8:03 pm
#49@Kevin: It was a fantasy I was having after 6 beers.
July 18, 2008 at 8:05 pm
#50@Turbine Dude:
6 beers sounds good. I’m right behind you.
July 18, 2008 at 8:09 pm
#51@Oside Jon: Hey Jon! Actually, it might be more like 9 or 10 by now. Who counts when you have a keggerator?
Wish I could have been with you guys for the P. Depo gig. I’ve only met GY and Didi in person. Would have liked to see the rest of you.
July 18, 2008 at 8:12 pm
The wheels are falling off.
July 18, 2008 at 8:12 pm
#46@Schlom: “I am not sure this is the correct team to use for it”
Bingo!
there was a thread about a week ago concerning bad trades. You were taking a lot of abuse, but I understood your point. I was preoccupied and could not post, but I understood your point. The Nolan Ryan/Jim Fergosi trade could not be considered a bad trade because it made sense at the time. God, I wish I could have responded.
Everyone on here means well, but there are “homers”.
You do a good job of questioning the establishment. Even when I disagreed with you, I respected your skepticism.
Right or wrong,…..Give em Hell!
July 18, 2008 at 8:14 pm
#49@Kevin: Sure you can trade a player on the Disabled List. I’m not sure what kind of trade value Bard has though — as good as he was the previous two seasons he’s been horrible this season, has no defensive value, and at 30 probably is considered old for a catcher.
July 18, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Molina just clocked Bell with a 3.5 knock. Ouch.
July 18, 2008 at 8:14 pm
#53@Turbine Dude: I didn’t know we had any wheels left. I thought we’d been running on rims for about 10 weeks now…
July 18, 2008 at 8:15 pm
#55@Schlom: But, still tradable right?
July 18, 2008 at 8:16 pm
If Heath Bell ain’t right, ain’t nothing right.
July 18, 2008 at 8:16 pm
#57@Sean Callahan: I was hoping we had ‘run flats.’
July 18, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Charger’s traing camp starts on Monday!
July 18, 2008 at 8:17 pm
#61@Turbine Dude: training
July 18, 2008 at 8:18 pm
#61@Turbine Dude: Waiter! More beer please!
July 18, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Players on the disabled list cannot be traded without permission of the Commissioner. For more information on trades, see “Players to be Named,” “Trade Demands,” “Trading Deadline,” and “Waivers.”
http://dcbb.blogspot.com/2006/.....rules.html
July 18, 2008 at 8:19 pm
#60@Turbine Dude: Glass half-full.
Why didn’t Bud just take Bell out after the first run-scoring hit? There’s no point in wasting any more pitches from the only reliever you currently trust…
July 18, 2008 at 8:20 pm
How about a Merideth, Iguchi, Bard trade for a mascot that can hit?
July 18, 2008 at 8:22 pm
#54@parlo: Everyone sort of went off topic on what my basic point was — that low payroll teams can’t afford to make any mistakes if they want to compete. As good as the Padres were from 2004-2007, the numerous mistakes they made kept them from winning more then one playoff game.
This season they are really paying for those mistakes, adding them to the ones that Towers made during the off-season is making them one of the worst teams in baseball — really the worst when you consider the division they play in.
July 18, 2008 at 8:22 pm
You guys ragged on me for ragging on Merideth in Spring Training. Well, I feel like putting up one of those smiley faces with the tongue sticking out.
July 18, 2008 at 8:23 pm
#66@Turbine Dude: How about the entire 25 man roster, for 25 random players. Could they be worse?
July 18, 2008 at 8:23 pm
A grand slam here would be fitting…
July 18, 2008 at 8:24 pm
#64@Kevin: Those are rules to a fantasy league.
July 18, 2008 at 8:25 pm
#69@Field39: No. Swap the Storm for the Padres for a series and see what happens. What do you have to lose?
July 18, 2008 at 8:25 pm
#69@Field39: Seen the Nationals roster?
July 18, 2008 at 8:25 pm
#70@Sean Callahan: Alas, not to be. We’ll need one of our own to tie it up. Kouz or Headely will have to be the man, because there’s no one on the bench likely to do it with Clark now gone.
July 18, 2008 at 8:25 pm
#71@Schlom: Nevermind, I mis-read that.
July 18, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Guys, I’m just trying to liven things up during a game that has gone awry. I didn’t mean to start anything serious.
July 18, 2008 at 8:29 pm
#73@Kevin: I am disgusted well beyond rational thought.
July 18, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Are more of you coming around to my way of thinking?
July 18, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Screw this game, I’m watching the Tour de France.
July 18, 2008 at 8:31 pm
What are the odds that the Padres score 12 runs on my last night here?
July 18, 2008 at 8:36 pm
#79@Schlom: Nooooooooooooo! Anything but that.
July 18, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Something easing my pain right now is this video …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....eature=dir
parlo … check it out … you’ll smile, I promise.
July 18, 2008 at 8:38 pm
#77@Field39: Yeah, Seinfeld always loses the girl but in different ways. The Padres always lose the game but in different ways.
July 18, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Gosh, the bullpen really suck tonight.
What the heck was Thatcher doing? He just didn’t look like he can put anything past anybody. It was wacked.
Then, Bell was just crappy even if two of those hits were the lucky sort.
Of course, even with a generous out call at home, the Padres still let another run in.
Crap. I had to turn off the TV, I was so mad. It was ridiculous.
At least in this game, Maddux off the hook and Bell got the loss after having three vulture wins to his record.
July 18, 2008 at 8:44 pm
#84@Didi: I have installed chicken wire, in front of my television set. This has helped to keep my costs down.
July 18, 2008 at 8:47 pm
#81@Kevin: Actually I threw that in there to see what the reaction would be. It’s interesting that everyone is critical of cycling because of all the cheating but I think everyone realizes that if they tested other sports they’d, at least in the case of football nail about everyone.
July 18, 2008 at 8:49 pm
#85@Field39: I beat my dog — it teaches him discipline and gets rid of my stress. It’s win-win. If not the dog, then one of my nephews since they deserve it more then my dog.
July 18, 2008 at 8:57 pm
But hey, Chargers training camp starts Monday!
July 18, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Germano being Germano …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_poraaa_1
… but it is nice to see McAnulty hitting .579 … and Antonelli with a double …
July 18, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Carillo and Kulbacki making beautiful music together …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_lesafa_1
July 18, 2008 at 9:18 pm
#82@LynchMob: Thank you. You are right, that was funny. Caucasians dancing are very comical. I am only messing with you. I am Brazilian and Irish, so i see humor in it all.
My grandfather arrived in NY off a coffee boat from Brazil after WWI. His family was from Portugal originally. My grandfather saw Mel Ott and Carl Hubbel play at the Polo Grounds. My father moved here to work in defense plants in the 1940s. He used to talk for hours about the PCL.
He made road trips north to Los Angeles to see the Giants play the Dodgers when they first moved west.
My mother was from Ireland and met my …………alright, you get the idea.
Going to Yankee Stadium/Fenway/Wrigley/Commiskey in the 1980/90s brought the whole history of the game full circle to me
July 18, 2008 at 10:27 pm
#52@Turbine Dude:
There will be other times to meet….like in a week or so when I go to the game. I’ll let ya know.
Later,
Jon
July 18, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Khalil Greene’s homer was his first in 57 at-bats, ninth of the season and 84th with the Padres, snapping a tie with Steve Finley and Carmelo Martinez for ninth on the franchise list.
July 18, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Greg Maddux now has the longest streak of winless starts (13) in one season by a pitcher who had already recorded 300 career wins. Warren Spahn held the record pitching for the Mets and Giants in 1965.
July 19, 2008 at 9:37 am
A good look at what the Padres minor leaguers did yesterday is at …
http://firstinning.com/daily/sd
July 19, 2008 at 9:49 am
Is DePo’s blog “propoganda”?
http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....t-example/
July 19, 2008 at 11:57 am
Last night is a good example of getting a pitcher out of the game early. Looper’s line- 3 innngs, 8 hits, 2 HR, 0 walks equals 68 pitches- a modest 3.6PPA. GONE
July 19, 2008 at 12:07 pm
89:LM And a 1379 OBP. Did you see that while coming in on a fly the other day he ran into Stansbury , holding up play a few minutes? Both players were ok.
July 19, 2008 at 12:15 pm
#98@malcolm: McAnulty made an out after my post last night … so now his BA is down to .550 …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=434582
… OPS = .679 + .700 = 1.379 … and yes, he’s still