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The AZL Padres were off today … thought I’d check the league stats to see if Jaff Decker is as much of a stud as I think he is …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=l_bat&lid=121
… 3rd in OPS … yup, that’s the guy! And he’s behind 2 guys who have more than 2x K’s to BBs … and I like our guy with almost the flip of that (19 BBs to 10 Ks) …
(otoh, looks like the AZL Cubs have some bats, huh? … whassup with that?)
#1@LynchMob: What’s really impressive is that all those guys hanging out with him at the top of the leaderboard are 2-3 years older than him: either college draft picks or players from the Dominican.
Gerut leading off and playing CF again, Hairston on the bench. If the Padres are serious about going for the first overall selection in the draft next season, benching the guy with the 1502 OPS for one with a 595 is certainly a good way to go about it. I can’t wait until Tomko and Estes take regular turns in the rotation!
#3@Schlom: Give’em hell Schlom
This team really needs to get Mad Dog a win tonight. I’m tired (and I’m sure he is too) of seeing him pitch a good game, only to have it shot down in flames.
Gerut starts it off well … base hit!
More clutch hitting by the Padres! Oh yeah, I forgot that Maddux was pitching — no reason to score runs then.
#5@Turbine Dude: I’m tired of hearing about his streak.
#8@Kevin: Me too! That’s why I want it to end tonight. I’m also tired of hearing about Brett Favre as well…
Well, there’s one run back, an actual hit for Greene. That opposite field home run was his first hit since July 5th.
I stumbled across this and felt a bit embarrassed by the Padre comments
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=80280
#11@parlo: Maybe that was a joke? Although certainly Bell probably should have made it — certainly over Carlos Marmol.
This team is incredibly frustrating to watch. Not only are they bad but the way they give up runs is unreal. A 4 pitch walk to crappy Cesar Izturis (with his 62 OPS+), he’s sacrificed to 2nd, Maddux completely ignores him so he steals 3rd and he scores on a groundball by Brendan Ryan. So without hitting the ball out of the infield, the Cardinals get a run with their 7-8-9 hitters.
#11@parlo: Like many other things, stuff like that just needs to be ignored …
So, KG can still hit, huh? Cool-e-o …
Runner on 3rd, less then two outs….what are the chances that Kouz gets him in? Normally I’d say about zero but Greene did just break a lengthly 0-fer so maybe Kouz can come through.
This could be a historic game for the Padres! Greene with a hit after being hitless for 13 days. The Padres getting a runner home from 3rd with less then two out. A possible Greg Maddux win for the the first time in 69 (heh-heh!) days.
Is this the start of a Colorado Rockies like run?
I just checked Khalil’s gamelog, that run he scored in the 2nd was his first run scored in July. That’s rather amazing. But I guess that might happen when you have a -42 OPS+ for July.
Thru top of 3rd …
Pitches-strikes – G Maddux 26-18; B Looper 60-38.
Ground balls-fly balls – G Maddux 2-2; B Looper 0-7.
Batters faced – G Maddux 10; B Looper 16.
#16@Schlom: Yow, now *that* is an anti-fun fact! Can you provide a link to where you found that?
B-R shows his YTD OPS+ = 61 … http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/greenkh01.shtml
#18@LynchMob: Month by month splits:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=greenkh01&year=2008#dates-month
sOPS+ is compared to the entire league, tOPS+ is only with regard to the rest of the team. It’s only -26 there. Hairston’s is 288 for July.
That was just like watching a Little League game!
The Prof. just made a joke out of the Cards defense! Wow!!!
JODY!!!!!!!!!!!! YARD!!!!!!!!!!!
Gerut is making me eat my words again! It seems like everytime I question why he’s in the lineup, he does well.
I made this comment:
http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/06/igd-padres-rockies-30-jun-08.html#comment-205316
during this game:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/COL/COL200806300.shtml
I guess I’m going to have to bash him more often!
Maddux has pitched well enough the last few starts to get a win.
#24@Kevin: Nix that. Thought the Cardinals had just added three runs.
#19@Schlom: Thanks! I want my June KG back
You know, it’s nearly impossible to root for the Padres to lose. Personally, if the Padres don’t make the playoffs this season (which seems very unlikely) I’d like to see them finish with the worst record in the majors so they can draft Stephen Strasburg. But I’m happy that they are winning tonight even though in the long run it might not be a good thing for the team.
However with the Padres terrible luck with drafting pitchers, maybe getting the 1st overall selection won’t be a good thing.
#12@Schlom: You are right. But I think it is a good point to consider when we see other teams “comments”
The problem with me right now is that I am really disgusted. Sometimes I cant even swallow the positive spin about some infielder who is doing well at Lake Elsinore. I think to myself, “I have been through this before with nothing to show for it” . I know it is cynical but what are my other options ? Keep believing that Kouz is an All Star in the making and Khalil is going to turn it around?
I dont want to be one of those people who shout “Padres S*ck”, but I am also having doubts about any future.
I also want to apologize to many of the posters on here who I sometimes snap at. I admire your loyalty and faith, but I am at the point that I can no longer shield the present disaster with optimistic dreams that seem like fairy tales to me.
My girlfriend of eight years has cancer. Bone Cancer. I had to take a leave of work to care for her.I am stuck around the house all day. Baseball conversation is the one thing that keeps me going. I dont want to be blasting the TV or stereo, the computer is a nice quiet companion. I want to thank all of you for your companionship and educated baseball discussion.
I think this Padres season has reached the point where it is no longer therapuetic to me. In some ways I am very dazzled by the beauty of life,…..in other ways I think it is a very cruel predetermined world. To seek escape from the ravages of cancer by smothering myself in the Padres 2008 season seems to be a cruel joke.
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Thank you for all of your companionship and healthy debate
#28@parlo: All I can say to that is hang in there, neither situations could be much worse. God Bless.
A good chunk of any remaining trade value that Maddux might have had prolly just went over the LCF wall a new Busch Stadium … sigh …
parlo … HANG IN THERE, BUDDY!
Ugh, maybe Maddux isn’t going to get a win tonight. Not quite sure why you’d groove a first pitch fastball to Ludwick but I guess that’s what happens when you aren’t going well.
#28@parlo: You need to look at the positives. Just think that every bad loss puts them one step closer to a 1-2 punch of Peavy and Strasburg from 2010 until whenever Peavy gets bad (hopefully not until about 2015 or later). That’s one hell of a tandem to build around.
Garrison having a bit of the rough night at San Antonio …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_07_18_mroaax_sanaax_1
#24@Kevin: I now re-submit the comment.
#33@Kevin: You can see the future! What do you see happening the rest of this game?
#31@Schlom: C’mon Schlom, I just spilled my guts.
But then again, you wouldnt be Schlom if you didnt mention Strasburg.
Four strong winds my friend!
Oh and Kevin, Trevors great but he aint going in ahead of Mariano. He will get in eventually. In the broad sweep of life, its important to remember that being number 2 is still very special.
Peace my friend.
Turbine Dude: You are the best
Pain.
#35@parlo: Why would you bring that up? Just to have me disagree. The horse is dead.
OT: on XX 1090 this afternoon, someone not affiliated with the Padres was saying that he believed Edgar was good enough to be an everyday starter. I couldn’t catch much of the interview because my wife was describing her office soap operas. However, I’m tending to agree with the comment.
#37@Kevin: As they used to say in Pittsburg … ‘79 I think … we * are * fam * i * ly
#37@Kevin: My point was that I respected the debate, I just strongly disagreed.
Tom Waits: I always thought I was at an unfair advantage. In any debate, I always thought in the back of my head that “any guy named Tom Waits cant be all that bad” GOOD LUCK!
“You spend a good part of your life gripping a baseball, but in the end it turns out it was the other way around” JIM BOUTON
Thanks everyone!
Adams dodged that bullet (of his own making)…
#40@parlo: OK
#42@Kevin: I’m only half-paying attention.
Had to see that coming on an 11-pitch at-bat…
Had to see that coming as soon as Thatcher came in the game. He needs to go…..
#35@parlo: I’m just trying to help you look at the bright side! I can understand the frustration of trying to “live through the Padres,” or at least use it as a form of escapism. I’m not sure this is the correct team to use for it.
I was really impressed by Thatcher down the stretch last season, I guess that was a fluke.
Bud with a repeat of last night’s double switch… Can’t wait to see Rodriguez hit next inning…
Let me throw this up in the air: Could they deal Iguchi and Bard (while on the DL) for some bats? Carlin and EGone have filled in their positions nicely and both are considered rookies with relatively no trade value in my opinion. However, I think Iguchi and Bard would make for a good trade.
I’m by no means a Tom Waits or Lynch or GY, but I think it would be a senario to consider.
#48@Turbine Dude: I don’t think you can trade a player on the DL. Not positive.
#49@Kevin: It was a fantasy I was having after 6 beers.
#50@Turbine Dude:
6 beers sounds good. I’m right behind you.
#51@Oside Jon: Hey Jon! Actually, it might be more like 9 or 10 by now. Who counts when you have a keggerator?
Wish I could have been with you guys for the P. Depo gig. I’ve only met GY and Didi in person. Would have liked to see the rest of you.
The wheels are falling off.
#46@Schlom: “I am not sure this is the correct team to use for it”
Bingo!
there was a thread about a week ago concerning bad trades. You were taking a lot of abuse, but I understood your point. I was preoccupied and could not post, but I understood your point. The Nolan Ryan/Jim Fergosi trade could not be considered a bad trade because it made sense at the time. God, I wish I could have responded.
Everyone on here means well, but there are “homers”.
You do a good job of questioning the establishment. Even when I disagreed with you, I respected your skepticism.
Right or wrong,…..Give em Hell!
#49@Kevin: Sure you can trade a player on the Disabled List. I’m not sure what kind of trade value Bard has though — as good as he was the previous two seasons he’s been horrible this season, has no defensive value, and at 30 probably is considered old for a catcher.
Molina just clocked Bell with a 3.5 knock. Ouch.
#53@Turbine Dude: I didn’t know we had any wheels left. I thought we’d been running on rims for about 10 weeks now…
#55@Schlom: But, still tradable right?
If Heath Bell ain’t right, ain’t nothing right.
#57@Sean Callahan: I was hoping we had ‘run flats.’
Charger’s traing camp starts on Monday!
#61@Turbine Dude: training
#61@Turbine Dude: Waiter! More beer please!
Players on the disabled list cannot be traded without permission of the Commissioner. For more information on trades, see “Players to be Named,” “Trade Demands,” “Trading Deadline,” and “Waivers.”
http://dcbb.blogspot.com/2006/01/transaction-rules.html
#60@Turbine Dude: Glass half-full.
Why didn’t Bud just take Bell out after the first run-scoring hit? There’s no point in wasting any more pitches from the only reliever you currently trust…
How about a Merideth, Iguchi, Bard trade for a mascot that can hit?
#54@parlo: Everyone sort of went off topic on what my basic point was — that low payroll teams can’t afford to make any mistakes if they want to compete. As good as the Padres were from 2004-2007, the numerous mistakes they made kept them from winning more then one playoff game.
This season they are really paying for those mistakes, adding them to the ones that Towers made during the off-season is making them one of the worst teams in baseball — really the worst when you consider the division they play in.
You guys ragged on me for ragging on Merideth in Spring Training. Well, I feel like putting up one of those smiley faces with the tongue sticking out.
#66@Turbine Dude: How about the entire 25 man roster, for 25 random players. Could they be worse?
A grand slam here would be fitting…
#64@Kevin: Those are rules to a fantasy league.
#69@Field39: No. Swap the Storm for the Padres for a series and see what happens. What do you have to lose?
#69@Field39: Seen the Nationals roster?
#70@Sean Callahan: Alas, not to be. We’ll need one of our own to tie it up. Kouz or Headely will have to be the man, because there’s no one on the bench likely to do it with Clark now gone.
#71@Schlom: Nevermind, I mis-read that.
Guys, I’m just trying to liven things up during a game that has gone awry. I didn’t mean to start anything serious.
#73@Kevin: I am disgusted well beyond rational thought.
Are more of you coming around to my way of thinking?
Screw this game, I’m watching the Tour de France.
What are the odds that the Padres score 12 runs on my last night here?
#79@Schlom: Nooooooooooooo! Anything but that.
Something easing my pain right now is this video …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY&feature=dir
parlo … check it out … you’ll smile, I promise.
#77@Field39: Yeah, Seinfeld always loses the girl but in different ways. The Padres always lose the game but in different ways.
Gosh, the bullpen really suck tonight.
What the heck was Thatcher doing? He just didn’t look like he can put anything past anybody. It was wacked.
Then, Bell was just crappy even if two of those hits were the lucky sort.
Of course, even with a generous out call at home, the Padres still let another run in.
Crap. I had to turn off the TV, I was so mad. It was ridiculous.
At least in this game, Maddux off the hook and Bell got the loss after having three vulture wins to his record.
#84@Didi: I have installed chicken wire, in front of my television set. This has helped to keep my costs down.
#81@Kevin: Actually I threw that in there to see what the reaction would be. It’s interesting that everyone is critical of cycling because of all the cheating but I think everyone realizes that if they tested other sports they’d, at least in the case of football nail about everyone.
#85@Field39: I beat my dog — it teaches him discipline and gets rid of my stress. It’s win-win. If not the dog, then one of my nephews since they deserve it more then my dog.
But hey, Chargers training camp starts Monday!
Germano being Germano …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_07_18_cspaaa_poraaa_1
… but it is nice to see McAnulty hitting .579 … and Antonelli with a double …
Carillo and Kulbacki making beautiful music together …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_07_18_inlafa_lesafa_1
#82@LynchMob: Thank you. You are right, that was funny. Caucasians dancing are very comical. I am only messing with you. I am Brazilian and Irish, so i see humor in it all.
My grandfather arrived in NY off a coffee boat from Brazil after WWI. His family was from Portugal originally. My grandfather saw Mel Ott and Carl Hubbel play at the Polo Grounds. My father moved here to work in defense plants in the 1940s. He used to talk for hours about the PCL.
He made road trips north to Los Angeles to see the Giants play the Dodgers when they first moved west.
My mother was from Ireland and met my …………alright, you get the idea.
Going to Yankee Stadium/Fenway/Wrigley/Commiskey in the 1980/90s brought the whole history of the game full circle to me
#52@Turbine Dude:
There will be other times to meet….like in a week or so when I go to the game. I’ll let ya know.
Later,
Jon
Khalil Greene’s homer was his first in 57 at-bats, ninth of the season and 84th with the Padres, snapping a tie with Steve Finley and Carmelo Martinez for ninth on the franchise list.
Greg Maddux now has the longest streak of winless starts (13) in one season by a pitcher who had already recorded 300 career wins. Warren Spahn held the record pitching for the Mets and Giants in 1965.
A good look at what the Padres minor leaguers did yesterday is at …
http://firstinning.com/daily/sd
Is DePo’s blog “propoganda”?
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/fantasy/article/trade-strategy-propaganda-and-paul-depodestas-recent-example/
Last night is a good example of getting a pitcher out of the game early. Looper’s line- 3 innngs, 8 hits, 2 HR, 0 walks equals 68 pitches- a modest 3.6PPA. GONE
89:LM And a 1379 OBP. Did you see that while coming in on a fly the other day he ran into Stansbury , holding up play a few minutes? Both players were ok.
#98@malcolm: McAnulty made an out after my post last night … so now his BA is down to .550 …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=McAnulty%20%20LF&pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=434582
… OPS = .679 + .700 = 1.379 … and yes, he’s still a madman in LF … but he’s available if/when the Padres need him …
Here’s how KG @ BP characterizes the Dykstra situation today …
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7823
Meanwhile, a deal that looked to be done is now completely up in the air. Another Boras client, Wake Forest first baseman Allan Dykstra had all but agreed to a $1.4 million bonus as the 23rd overall pick, but a physical revealed some hip problems that were thought to have been previously corrected. Details are sketchy, but the Padres and Boras are suddenly far from having a deal done, with many of the complications coming from the agent’s side, as Boras is well known for putting his own additional medical waivers as addendums to the standard contract.
… I’m still hoping to see him in Eugene this summer …
Hmmm, I’m not seeing a fresh IGD … hope all’s well, GY …
On with today’s game … Saturday, July 19th vs Cardinals … lineup looks same as last night …
J. Gerut cf 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 .286
E. Gonzalez 2b 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .304
B. Giles rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .303
A. Gonzalez 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .278
K. Kouzmanoff 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276
C. Headley lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
K. Greene ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .214
N. Hundley c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .208
R. Wolf p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .147
… and as you can see, Gerut started things off with a hit!
AZL Padres are underway also …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_07_19_giarok_pdrrok_1
#100@LynchMob: Jody owes Edgar a hit.
After 1 …
Pitches-strikes – R Wolf 14-10; T Wellemeyer 18-9.
Ground balls-fly balls – R Wolf 1-2; T Wellemeyer 1-2.
Batters faced – R Wolf 5; T Wellemeyer 6.
… Wolf gives up 2 singles, but gets out of it … Padres up 2-0 on an error and SF in top of 1st.
#100@LynchMob: I am guessing that G.Y thought today’s game was a night game. No biggie–lets get a win today before the Pads start attracting some embarrassing nationwide media attention. Is this team really a 100 loss team ? I say no.
Egon is making it awfully difficult to not include him in future plans !
#105@JP: Antonelli isn’t exactly forcing the issue.
KG with a 2 game hitting streak
#101@LynchMob: Lynch with his 3rd blown save of the young AZL season … sigh … playin’ pro ball ain’t easy, I s’pose …
Thru 4 …
Pitches-strikes – R Wolf 57-37; T Wellemeyer 56-31.
Ground balls-fly balls – R Wolf 6-4; T Wellemeyer 7-5.
Batters faced – R Wolf 16; T Wellemeyer 19.
… I’m guessing there’s scouts in attendance … and I’m hoping they like what they are seeing from Wolf …
Albert strikes again … dude’s a stud with the bat … hat tip …
I went to take a shower leading 5-0 and come back and it’s tied??? WTF?
Turbine Dude must be feeling smug right about now…
Giles putting his body on the line… Ouch!
I’ve been meaning to say that I’d be up for having Chase hit higher in the batting order … the easiest way to do that would be to flip him with KK … I’d just like to see him hit in the 3 or 4 or 5 spot … and that top of 7th is an example of when I think it would have been good …
It’s pretty clear the Padres are shooting for the worst record in baseball — why else would Luis Rodriguez be up in a crucial late game situation for the 2nd time in 3 games?
with Edgar hitting the way he is, what are they going to do when Iguchi comes back?
Way to go, Clay … a quick 3-up, 3-down inning pitched …
Pitches-strikes – R Wolf 98-63; C Meredith 12-5; B Corey 10-7; C Hensley 15-9; T Wellemeyer 84-51; R Flores 6-2; R Springer 14-9; R Villone 10-6; R Franklin 18-11.
Ground balls-fly balls – R Wolf 8-5; C Meredith 0-1; B Corey 1-2; C Hensley 2-1; T Wellemeyer 8-9; R Flores 0-0; R Springer 0-0; R Villone 0-1; R Franklin 3-0.
Batters faced – R Wolf 28; C Meredith 3; B Corey 3; C Hensley 3; T Wellemeyer 27; R Flores 1; R Springer 2; R Villone 2; R Franklin 4.
I was hoping if I went away when the Padres loaded the bases, good things might happen. Instead, Larussa’s going to start making me believe in the whole match-up strategy – he uses four pitchers in one inning, two of whom get no outs, and still the Padres can’t score.
#116@Johnny Utah: Hope he does well enough in a rehab assignment to generate enough interest to trade him?
On the bright side, the only way we can be worse than the ‘62 Mets is to go 3-61. The ‘03 Tigers would take a 4-60 finish. I don’t think even this team is that bad.
If I was down in SD now, I think I’d go to the beach …
Padres sound bearish on trade options …
http://sandiego.padres.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080718&content_id=3149677&vkey=news_sd&fext=.jsp&c_id=sd
#115@Schlom: You stole my post Schlom.
#120@Sean Callahan: Isn’t that amazing. As awful as the Padres have been they’ve still be way better then the Mets or Tigers. I could barely watch the Padre game today (how many more blown leads and runners left on 3rd with less then 2 outs do I have to watch?) — it must have been damn near impossible to watch the Tigers.
#121@LynchMob:
I was at the beach today!! But it was overcast and windy. I can’t win — just like the Pads.
#125@Oside Jon: Doesn’t that just mean that the surf is a bit better and you don’t have to worry about getting burned?
Portland up 3-0 early …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_07_19_cspaaa_poraaa_1
Antonelli with a double … rah …
Faris with a good start at San Antonio …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_07_19_mroaax_sanaax_1
… up 4-0 after 8 …
Late game at Lake Elsinore …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_07_19_rcqafa_lesafa_1
14 runs on 18 hits for Ft Wayne tonight …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_07_19_ftwafx_qcsafx_1
… including 3-run HR by Yefri Carvajal …
Eugene down 3-1 early …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_07_19_vanasx_eugasx_1
This date in Padres history: July 19
1982: Outfielder Tony Gwynn makes his Major League debut and collects two hits against the Philadelphia Phillies.
… ya, that was a good day!
#127@LynchMob: Cionfrone keeps up his hot hitting at Portland. What may get Ciofrone a shot at the majors is the fact that he can play 4 or 5 positions.
#127@LynchMob: Jack-Anulty with his first AAA HR this year … Beavers now up 6-1 after 5 …
In light of the losing that my Padres are doing their best to keep alive, I had to read something else.
Joe Poz delivers the good:
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/19/musial/
a heck of a writing about a heck of a player. Enjoy.
#135@Didi: Can’t find the link at the moment. But his piece on Murcer and Bobby Bonds was great, too.
Here’s the link:
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/07/13/the-rare-trade-that-hurts-both-players/
#134@LynchMob: “Jack-Anulty” – classic!
#135@Didi: #137@Kevin: Thanks for the links … both very good reads! Musial is not underrated by me … having been to many games in St Louis in the 70s and hearing stories of him from an uncle … my favorite Musial story is that Nate Colbert was at the DH where Musial hit 5 HRs …
#138@Masticore317: I got that term from somebody else here … it is a goodie … I caught the last couple of innings of last night’s game on TV and McAnulty rifled a line drive to the LF wall that the LFer made a good running catch on … also saw Antonelli smoke a line drive that the 3B-man made a good diving catch on and the TV announcer said that that was the 2nd time that game that that had happened … so both of those guys are swinging well …