Padres (31-43) vs Tigers (34-38)
Greg Maddux vs Eddie Bonine
7:05 p.m. PT
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October 10, 1984: The Padres played one of the greatest games — if not the greatest game — in franchise history. They beat the Tigers, 5-3, at what was then known as Jack Murphy Stadium. It’s the only World Series game they’ve ever won, with Andy Hawkins picking up the victory, Craig Lefferts earning the save, and Kurt Bevacqua dealing the death blow in the form of a three-run homer off Dan Petry in the fifth.
The Tigers went on to win the series because, frankly, they were the best team in baseball that year and it wasn’t even close. I actually managed to take in a game at Tiger Stadium that year, and the only thing I remember is that then-future-Padre Joe Carter had just been acquired by the opposing Indians (for then-future Padres broadcaster Rick Sutcliffe, who proceeded to win the Cy Young Award that year for the Cubs — the team San Diego beat to reach the World Series). I believe it was this game or this game.
I’d picked Carter up off waivers in my Rotisserie Baseball league (we didn’t call it Roto back then because, well, there wasn’t really anyone to talk to about that sort of thing outside of the handful of people in the league) and I was happy to see him play in person. He turned out to be a heckuva fantasy player: not only did his anemic OBP not hurt you, it also created more RBI. Of course, I ended up cutting Carter to make room for Brian Dayett, which turned out to be a lousy idea. Oh well…
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Obviously I’m rooting for the Padres (as always), but I hope Bonine pitches well. It’s neat to watch guys you saw in the minors succeed at the big-league level.
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OT … for your pre-game entertainment, here’s a fun diddy over at GLB …
http://www.gaslampball.com/2008/6/20/555629/switch-hitter-vs-switch-pi#comments
#1@LynchMOb: LM, that was funny. However, if memory serves, I think the batter has to get ‘time’ from the ump to step out of the box. It is usually a ‘given’ to let a batter adjust his gloves or guards and such. But, I don’t believe there is any rule that restricts a pitcher from switching his glove frome one hand to the other and throw as such.
Sorry, I’m too tired from work to research it. But, damn that was good!
Sounds like a rubber match tonight.
Not a good way to start off the night.
Nice shot for Jody. Reluctantly, that was playable.
This is the team they decide to run against?
#6@Field39: This is the team they decide to run against?
Game’s not over. That remains to be seen…
Huber is back in San Diego, sounds like Kouz is headed for the DL.
OT: I finally got a copy of the June edition of Padres Magazine and read the Geoff Young article. Very cool. GY, you made the little big time! Good pics of you and Sandra. I really enjoyed the article and passed it around Solar Turbines.
At least DBacks lost tonight.
OT … ATLANTA THIRD BASEMAN CHIPPER JONES LEFT THE GAME IN THE TOP OF THE EIGHTH INNING DUE TO A STRAINED RIGHT QUADRICEPS … bummer.
I hate it when Barrett comes up, and you know that a strikeout is the best possible outcome.
Our cries for Barretts head on a platter have gone unheaded … but the evidence of his suckitude mounts …
Thru 2 full …
Pitches-strikes – E Bonine 39-24; G Maddux 26-15.
Ground balls-fly balls – E Bonine 4-1; G Maddux 3-3.
Batters faced – E Bonine 8; G Maddux 9.
The Prof. is showing some good location.
#14@Turbine Dude: Getting Polanco + Guillen + Ordonez with a runner in scoring position and Cabrera on deck … *The* Prof., indeed!
#15@LynchMOb: And then a 5-pitch AB … he can still do it all
Rocks are down by 4 in the bottom of the 7th. Maybe we can get a game back with a win tonight….Just wishfull thinking.
Summation of the Padres season
Jody singles to open the bottom of the first
Uncle Teddy: The Tigers opened their inning with a homerun, the Padres get a man on aboard and we’ll take it
Jody caught stealing (will someone explain to me why we run on a gold glover but not on someone who couldn’t throw a runner out if he knew it was coming?0
2 hits, 1 walk, no runs
Padre baseball really peeves me sometimes
OT … Hensley with 3 nice innings to start the AAA Beaver game tonight …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_06_20_tucaaa_poraaa_1
… but now has cough’d up 3 runs in the 4th … HR by Ambres … 3-2 in top of 4th …
OT … Cesar Carillo with 2 nice IPs to start the Storm game tonight …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_06_20_lncafa_lesafa_1
… yes!
#18@Loren: Guys, quit picking on the base runners for screwups like Jody trying for 2nd or PMac trying for 3rd. It’s the friggin’ base coaches telling them to pull this B.S. They players will take the blame in the post-game interview, but it wasn’t their decision. I agree, it’s frustrating to watch.
Just got done reading Part 3 Alderson interview. I wonder how disappointed Sandy was with his SHORTSTOP’s 27 HRs and 98 RBI last year? And I guess defense doesn’t factor into factor into his evaluation, at all. It sounds like Sandy is setting up Khalil’s fan base for the inevitable — something that has been implied in his negative comments on Khalil for the past three years. Of course, it’s a little harder to trade your best defensive player when he nearly leads the team in HRs and RBI.
The Pads should only be disappointed with themselves for not doing a better job at working with Khalil on going the other way or helping him learn to wait on pitches. Easier said than done, and, admittedly, I don’t know to what extent Wally has worked with Khalil — whatever he is doing hasn’t worked, though — but with Khalil’s Sheffield-like quick wrists, it’s a lot easier to work with him than with someone with a longer swing or slower bat.
CHASE THAT M****R F****R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Headley Lamar goes deep.
Newly drafted and signed Sawyer Carroll with his first pro HR tonight for the Eugene Emeralds …
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_06_20_eugasx_boiasx_1
#24@Field39: LMMFAO @ the Blazing Sadle’s reference.
There’s Chase’s 1/2 VORP for today
#27@LynchMOb: ‘VORP?’
Thru 4 full …
Pitches-strikes – E Bonine 65-44; G Maddux 57-35.
Ground balls-fly balls – E Bonine 5-4; G Maddux 3-7.
Batters faced – E Bonine 16; G Maddux 17.
Another bomb for Khalil that amounts to nothing. Although he’d be the last player in MLB to do it, I wish Khalil would take a page from Nevin and greet Sandy with the bird. At least that might hasten his exit from San Diego so he can go hit 40 HRs in another park.
#26@Turbine Dude: I love Blazing Saddles.
OMG!!! Barrett finally got a runner. He was safe. But he’s out. I don’t care.
Way to make Bonine work there – six pitches…
#28@Turbine Dude: See today’s comments … VORP is one of the “new stats” … stands for Value over Replacment Player … and is a measure of “wins” (iirc) … and Chase’s stats have earned him about 1.4 VORP during the Yankee series … so I joked earlier today that he’s getting 1/2-VORP per game … I dunno if a HR is worth a 1/2-VORP … but that felt like a pretty valuable HR …
#13@LynchMOb: Kudos to Barrett … his suckitude rating just drop’d a hair … TD … “suckitude” is not one of the “new stats” … it’s a customized rating of my own derivation
Thru 5 …
Pitches-strikes – E Bonine 71-49; G Maddux 70-43.
Ground balls-fly balls – E Bonine 7-5; G Maddux 4-7.
Batters faced – E Bonine 19; G Maddux 20.
… seems likely this is Maddux’ last inning … too bad it cost us an AB …
I laughed at Mudcat dropping the Blazing Saddles reference after the home run. You know he’s been waiting to use that one.
OT … Cleveland with a duece up on the Dogs …
#34@LynchMOb: Thanks. Just wondering if we’ll find ‘VORP’ and ‘Suckitude’ in the 2009 DS Annual Glossary? GY?
#37@LynchMob: Yeah, Dogs down by 2 and Rocks down by 5 right now.
I like Maddux’s near linear sequence of pitches to Cabrera – everything just above the knees, anywhere from six inches inside to eight inches outside.
Let’s get him a lead and a win…
#37@LynchMob: I really love this MLB.TV thing…
Meanwhile (sorry, this is out of order but I wasn’t at a computer when it happened), Michael Barrett could find a way to hit into a double play with two outs.
How many DPs have the Padres hit into tonight? Sheesh.
That’s right, pitch around AGon. We have someone to protect him now…
Bleh.
The Mad Dog doesn’t go after this, does he? I don’t think so. So, who is warming up? Pls. not Meredith. Oh, God pls. not Meredith.
The longer Maddux stays in there, the better chance he has of picking up a win…
Nice five-pitch inning.
#8@Field39: Huber’s back ? Oh joy….
The Prof. just dismissed class.
I thought Scotty had that. Damn.
Nationals just won in 14 innings. I left after the 10th.
KG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CRUSHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#30@koo: Take that.
What a disappointment!
All three runs scored so far have been solo’s. Grrrr.
Edit: Complete disappointment!
If only we could be walking BEFORE the guys hit the dongs, otherwise the whole “walk-and-a-dong” thing doesn’t really pan out.
Man, this has to be the most inefficient way to win games…
I like Tony Clark. But his OBP leaves something to be desired.
#57@Steve: If we are going to get half the equation. I will take the home run half.
#55@Turbine Dude: Well, it’s a good thing that one of the runs that was scored was on a solo home run.
I’ll take Bell for two innings here…
#59@Field39: Good point! We’ve seen how bad they are at scoring after those walks.
Another solo…
C R A P !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I’ll still put my guns behind Bell.
And another no-d for Maddux…
#58@Turbine Dude: Clark’s on-base coming into the night was .391, which is excellent.
#67@Kevin: I stand corrected. I still like the guy.
Somebody please go trade Maddux so he can get a frakking win, because he can’t here in San Diego.
The bullpen hates Maddux.
#51@Kevin: Elijah Dukes night, huh? How’s he look? And how are the reports on his mental/attitude/etc? I like to root for guys like this rebound … but his background pushes my limits to the max …
There’s the walk. Now let’s get the dong and not the DP.
#72 – what team have you been watching? Double play ordered up like in-n-out
Should OG bunt?
#73@Loren: Double Double? Where’s the friggin’ fries?
OK, If they can’t score on this, I’m fu*king pissed!
#75
left on teh base along with most of their damn base runners
#71@LynchMob: Dukes went 5-for-6, stole two bases. Looked great. He had some sort of incident last week. Forgot what it was.
Josh Hamilton went 0-for-6, and Milton Bradley went 0-for-1 (ph in NL park), and those were the players I went to see.
3 walks, oh yeah lets see the padres walk, hbp and double play
Bases f*cking loaded and no outs. What are the chances that we hit into a DP?
OK – let’s go deep…
#80@Turbine Dude: None.
nice. at least Bell has a shot at the win, but I feel bad for Mad Dog.
AGone is totally carrying this team in OF/DF.
#82@Turbine Dude: Innings not over…
#85@Sean Callahan: Touche’. BTW, I hate the French.
#85@Sean Callahan: If Scotty hits the ball, it will be in the air.
#86@Turbine Dude: At least by the time Barrett GIDPs, we should have scored at least one more run.
I’m curious what the count on Adrian was when he hit that 2-run single … anybody remember?
#80@Turbine Dude: Again I ask the question…
#87@Field39: He has two ground outs tonight, but Hariston can drive another one in, Greene can strike out and Barrett can fulfil his role…
OH DOCTOR!!!!
I’m always glad to be proven wrong!
#90@Turbine Dude: What lead would you like before you stop ripping the team?
#91@Sean Callahan: Khalil has to walk now… Like that’s going to happen.
Is there any rationale for Maddux not to be credited with the win tonight, except for that’s the way it is and has always been, I mean? If “traditionalists” are reluctant to change the scoring on who gets the win, I have a novel idea:
A pitcher who enters the game with a lead and blows the lead, shouldn’t get the win!!!! I’d feel better with no one getting the win than giving it to the reliever.
The current ruling makes about as much sense as the GWRBI did.
Still no outs. Outstanding. Then again, look who we are playing.
#94@Sean Callahan: Well, Barrett can only line into a DP now. That requires him to hit the ball hard, so it shouldn’t be much of a risk…
Looks like the Padres all of a sudden remembered they’re the frakking padres, and can’t do anything more
#98@Loren: Good thing Agon and Harriston got the job done first before Greene & Barrett could screw up 2nd & 3rd and nobody out…
#93@Kevin: One that would quit leaving runners on base when they are loaded.
I don’t rip our team. Just feel like Randy Quade in Major Leage ll.
#95@koo: If I remember correctly, the official scorer has the right to do just what you are suggesting. Give the win to the pitcher that pitched the best.
But because official scorers want to play by the book and not be controversial and players and managers would probably whine about not getting wins or getting losses they didn’t want, it’s not done, I think.
If I were the official scorer, I’d give Maddux this W … but I just re-read the rules, and it’s no-can-do … crummy rules … perhaps GY can talk to SA about this next time he’s in there
#101@Kevin: Only if the starter doesn’t go five innings and the relievers never relinquish the lead.
I’d love to see PMac get ahold of this. But a walk is just as good. C’mon Jody!
That Zumaya guy could throw!!!!!
#101@Kevin: They used to use the term “Pitches briefly and ineffectively,” but I have not heard it used in a long time.
I bet maddux is in the clubhouse throwing stuff everywhere and cursing the padres to hell and back
#95@koo: Ah, I posted 102 before seeing your comment/question (and Kevin’s reply) … here’s a link to the rule …
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/10_the_official_scorer.pdf
… see Rule 10.17 … the “give the win to the pitcher that pitched the best” is *only* amongst relief pitchers … the starter can *not* get a W for a game which becomes tied after he leaves … a rule I agree has room for improvement … especially in a case such as tonight’s game … assuming the Padres win …
#107@Loren: Knowing Maddux, he’s not. He’s happy they’re in position to win the game. He has 350+ wins. He pitched a good game and probably had a good time.
Man, I was terrified that the Padres were going to get nothing in the ninth with bases loaded and nobody out. I feel much better now
#103@Sean Callahan: My bad.
#19@LynchMOb: Hensley ended up going 6 IPs … with no futher runs scoring … Hayhurst with a good IP … and Thatcher with the Save … nice night on the mound for the Beavers!
#107@Loren: #109@Sean Callahan: I have to agree with Sean. M. Dog is probably happy with the win. He’s old and has so many awards and Championships, he probably doesn’t care about that crap anymore. He’s just happy to still be playing.
Wow, Maddux was dealing tonight. Too bad, he cannot get a win. Is it in his contract or something? A fine print somewhere on page 43?
#107@Loren: You really think that?
re: #96
Dude, don’t be fooled. The Tigers have had some weird stuff happen this year, but they are a very good club. Seriously/
Nice job, Mac. Game over.
PMac into the stands for the winning catch.
And the Padres batted around. When is the last time this happened?
And why was Barrett hitting and being pinched hit?
Nice win Padres. Nice win.
#116@Rich Campbell: Rich, I ment to infer that they aren’t the Yankees and we aren’t in Yankee Stadium.
We are at home playing a .472 team compared to our .425. But, we should at least have an upper hand. Especially with The Prof. on the mound and Bell in middle.
PMac went into the lap of some kid in a wheelchair and the kid just sat there like it was no big deal. Too cool.
The better Headley does, the worse the FO is going to look for keeping him in the minors for 2+ months. I understand the reasons, but it does nothing to shed their cheap and not caring about winning image.
#89@LynchMob: Hey, I just found a way to answer my question (what was the count on Adrian when he got that 2-run single?) … detailed play-by-play here …
http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/playbyplay/MLB_20080620_DET@SD
… shows that he took strike one then got the single on the next pitch … sounds PERFECT to me! I just wanted to make sure that, following 3 base on balls (only the last one by Fossum, however), he at least took one pitch. Can’t let the result determine the full assessment of the AB …
#122@Zagz: Every team in baseball, if they were thinking, would have done it the same way.
#122@Zagz: Then *we* who know better have to contribute to getting the message out … the timing of Chase’s callup is very appropriate for many reasons … and we all need to be looking forward to the remainder of his season (and career) with the Padres … with “tempered expectations” (as Lance reminded us recently) …
Edgar’s new line: .326/.368/.449
I love the energy I’m seeing from Chase Headley. The way he smacked his hands together as he slid into third on Hairston’s single. That kind of attitude is never a bad thing.
Adrian’s new line: .294/.364/.554
He has 64 RBIs, leads the league, one ahead of Utley and Howard.
#127@Rich Campbell: I loved the string of cliches, when he was on the post game show. Sounded like he had just had his cliche lesson.
#127@Rich Campbell: Thanks for this note, Rich … those are the kinds of things I miss by “watching” the games on Yahoo or MLB GameDay …
So, you going to make the BP “Ballpark Event” this year? Saturday, July 11th at Petco … details should be out early next week (Mon or Tues is what I’ve been told by BP) … http://www.baseballprospectus.com/events/
OT … Joe Sheehan @ BP weighs in on Trever vs Mariano …
Seymour (Brooklyn): Does Trevor Hoffman deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Mariano Rivera?
Joe Sheehan: Sure, you’re talking about the two best one-inning closers ever. Rivera is better, as much because of his massive body of postseason work, but it’s no insult to compare the two. We may dismiss Hoffman because he holds a record that isn’t terribly meaningful; we shouldn’t, he’s been a great player and will be a legitimate Hall of Famer.
… well said, Joe.
#122@Zagz: That’s just stupid. He struggled for over a month in Triple-A. For all we know his initial success is due in no small part to his having previously “figured out” Triple-A.
I was watching this game while I was out and I thought “wow, great win, I think I’ll check out Ducksnorts” and it’s nothing but negativity. You guys sure know how to suck the fun out of a win.
#22@koo: I love Khalil, but tonight’s homer notwithstanding, he’s been a huge disappointment this year. No amount of spin can change that, nor can blaming Wally Joyner or anyone else.
#38@Turbine Dude: If they end up in the book, then I’ll include them in the glossary.
#133@Richard Wade: Well, I was at the game and I sure had a great time!
Great win tonight. Anyone know why Carillo only went 2 IP tonight for LE? I hope he has not suffered a setback of any sort.
#132@Richard Wade: He also “figured out” spring training. In fact didn’t have the best stats of anyone coming out of the spring? I know ST is meaningless, but that’s just another thing to point to when people wonder why were have been subjected to an awful offense when here’s a guy that KT publicly stated before the season began that the offense would be better with him, was sitting in AAA. Like I said, I understand why it was done, but the FO did nothing to help themselves all winter and spring.
#136@Zagz: I still think that his lousy April in Portland is more representative of how ready he was for the Majors than what he did in Spring Training. He put up numbers in Triple-A that were about what we were getting at the Major League level from our left fielders. I don’t see how that could have justified granting him super-2 status.
Headley’s new line: .375/.375/.813
Greene’s new line: .229/.277/.345
Greene in June: .295/.353/.426
#133@Richard Wade: I couldn’t agree more. When the lead was 4-2, there was guessing as to what Padres player would ground into a double play.
#139@Kevin: With all due respect, when you have a team that is predicted to win 90 games and in June they are projected to lose 92 games is not expected that folks that love the Padres are going to be negative. That’s part of the game, dude.
Think it’s bad here in San Diego, imagine if this was the situation in Boston or Chicago.
If you want consistent positive comments, even as Michael Barrett grounds into yet another DP, then go sit with the Madres while sipping your stadium coffee and yelp out “that’s o.k Mikey, get ‘em next time.
#141@JP: Please stop.
#142@Geoff Young: Thank you.
#135@Bruce: This was just his second outing in his return from injury … so saying “only went 2 IP” is looking at it backwards … he pitched 1 inning (and gave up 6 runs) in his first outing … so he stretched his pitches to 2 IP last night … giving up only 1 hit … so it was a GREAT outing!