Comments on: When Projections Go Bad

By: LynchMob

LynchMob — Sat, 31 May 2008 22:43:01 +0000

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone here at DS talking about releasing KK nor KG … all the “fire sale” talk is about trades … clearly KK and KG have some value … even as bad as KG is batting this year, he’s still a valuable player who might be more valuable to another team than to the Padres … if so, it might make sense to trade him …

re: once you get to the playoffs, good things can happen … you betcha … my biggest concern is that Jake has gotten to the playoffs but then not been strong enough to dominate a game and get a W … ie. carry the team …

I agree that “our guys are better than this” … and I think we’ve seen that the last week or 2 …

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By: BobbyV

BobbyV — Sat, 31 May 2008 08:21:14 +0000

Well, I think I understand that centerfielders don’t fall off of trees. We can’t even get a decent one for our softball team. My main point of contention is the talk of releasing Kouzmanoff and Greene. These seem like panic moves to me. I’m probably not as versed in Padres lore as some, but I don’t recall having a slick fielding shortstop who hits 25 bombs a year in our organization. I understand his shortcomings and have yelled at the TV as much as anyone when he appears to slowly wave at the balls on the outer half of the plate. And Kouzmanoff seems to be a solid contributor who’s defense seems not nearly as bad as some would like to believe.

I’ve seen the Cardinals and White Sox win World Series in the past few years. The concept of building a higher ceiling is all well and good, but I am of the belief that once you get to the playoffs, good things can happen. We’ve got two great pitchers at the top and some decent bullpen help. These arms aren’t going to be fresh forever.

Really it boils down to the fact that i’ve really enjoyed the Padres recent success, and am in no way or shape, wanting to even think about a total overhaul. Our guys are better than this….I hope.

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By: LynchMob

LynchMob — Sat, 31 May 2008 05:08:00 +0000

#39@BobbyV: I think it takes a lot more than what you brought in your first post to deserve a lambasting, BobbyV … bring more, dude!

“demolition of the team” is over-spining the majority/consensus opinion, me thinks … a softer spin is “any players that have trade value now that is greater than what they can be expected to contribute to the next playoff run should be traded now” …

So perhaps the question is this … when should the Padres target their next playoff run?

I think we’re almost all at the point of agreeing that it’s not 2008 … you seem to be proposing 2009 … that’s cool … and I see where some might think that unrealistic … others might trade off delaying the run to 2010 in hopes of it having a higher ceiling (ie. if you start planning now for a playoff run in 2010, then you might be more likely to end up with a WS ring in 2010 or 2011 or 2012 than if you sacrifice some of the upside for nearer term success, ie. a weaker playoff run in 2009).

re: Headley … I think you’re being realistic to hope for Headley being average in left next year …

re: Antonelli … there’s data that suggests Antonelli will not be able to be average @ 2B next year (ie. he’s struggling mightily at AAA right now) … so that seems a reach presently …

If there’s no “demolition of the this team” at all, then how might we get a CFer for next year? Sign a FA? I wonder who’s going to be available …

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By: BobbyV

BobbyV — Sat, 31 May 2008 02:53:23 +0000

I am a new poster, but I read this regularly from Boise. Thankfully i'm able to watch every Padres game with the assistance of modern technology. Anyways, I know I will most likely be lambasted for these views, but I don't understand the call for the demolition of this team. I feel like we are close to having all of the pieces in place for a playoff run next year. Two big ifs, but if Headley and Antonelli can at least be average in left and at second, all we might need is a centerfielder. Otherwise this is the same team that has performed well the last three years. I understand that they might need some back end starters next year, but I feel like we can find that somewhere. So, if anyone is still reading this post, feel free to tell me why i'm delusional. And thankyou Geoff for the Annual and this site.

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By: JP

JP — Sat, 31 May 2008 00:51:39 +0000

Fire Sale ? Not on my mind much really as the only vet (outside of CY) that they will get anything of significance for is Giles. And to be honest, unless it's a rosy deal, I wouldn't move Giles. Iguchi will not fetch much at all.

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By: Tom Waits

Tom Waits — Fri, 30 May 2008 23:14:42 +0000

#35@KRS1: You don't sound like a chump to me. It's a delicate balancing act between attracting fans this year, attracting fans for next year, and the players who could be acquired. The good thing is that 3 of our chips (Maddux, Giles, Iguchi) are likely to have the same or greater value six weeks from now, so there's not a huge rush. But it wouldn't bother me if they sold early, either.

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By: Geoff Young

Geoff Young — Fri, 30 May 2008 22:55:44 +0000

#34@Tom Waits: D'oh! That's been fixed. Everything else is current.

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By: KRS1

KRS1 — Fri, 30 May 2008 22:47:09 +0000

I know I probably sound like a chump to most of you but at this point I think I'd rather see us get rid of players we can get value for and who will not play a part in our future than play for a .500 record with them. The only thing winning games with this team is going to do is prolong an adjustment period for any kids we call up and hurt our 2009 draft position. If a team with call ups was competitive at least they would be gaining experience while they killed the draft pick. I know draft picks in baseball are not nearly a sure thing but in what way shape or form are we helping this team by standing pat with who we have, if in a really good situation we are talking about the possibility of finishing even. That doesn't make sense to me.

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By: Tom Waits

Tom Waits — Fri, 30 May 2008 22:42:59 +0000

OT: Why is “Accelerate” still on GY’s Amazon wish list? When we’re deep in our cups, as some of us often are, how better to express our appreciation than by fulfilling one of his wishes? But how are we to know what those wishes are if they aren’t kept current?

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By: Tom Waits

Tom Waits — Fri, 30 May 2008 22:37:08 +0000

#22@Anthony: #23@Geoff Young: Late to the party, but wholeheartedly agree. Stay thirsty (for knowledge) my friends.

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