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		<title>By: Edmonds About to Become a Cub? &#171; A Hundred Next Years</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edmonds About to Become a Cub? &#171; A Hundred Next Years</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a Padres blog written by Geoff Young, one of the best MLB blogs I&#8217;ve come across, had this to say about Edmonds following his release. So much for Jim Edmonds. Ducksnorts readers projected him to hit [...]&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-184730"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: David Coonce</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Coonce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 18:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just catching up here - haven't wanted to do much Padres-talking this year (for obvious reasons)
But debating the merits of Gerut/Ambres/Hairston is a bit silly. They're all 4th/5th OF types. The padres dug their own grave this year when they let Bradley and Cameron walk without any kind of plan to replace them besides a way over-the-hill Jim Edmonds. The padres, as a small-budget team, have done very well the last few years by doing the little things right - assembling good, cheap bullpens and finding useful bench players. 

This season, however, the team decided to turn its useful bench players into starters, and that's just not going to work. So it's time for radical changes. Henn is a good start - a lefty who reaches the mid-90s. The Yankees are always impatient with their prospects, so I wouldn't read much into that. 

I wouldn't touch Jacque Jones - he's stretched as a center-fielder and his power is gone. Remember Jay Payton and Terrmell Sledge - same guy. We don't want him. The Padres need a defensive stud out there, and if Felix Pie is really available then he should've been a Padre yesterday. I don't like the idea of giving up Greene, but since the Cubs have three shortstops on their roster already, I assume Towers could finagle one of them (ideally Cedeno) along with Felix. Piniella hates Pie and unless the cubs are going to dump Uncle Lou soon then I don't think Felix has a spot in Chicago. While we're at it, let's grab Matt Murton too - he's an on-base machine who can handle right field. This turns into a bigger trade at that point, probably involving a starter, but what better place for Greg Maddux to close out his career in the same place he started it, in a pennant race? 

I don't really like Gerut in center at all, but I do understand that they have to have somebody out there. They won't let you play with 8 fielders. I am baffled by the sparse playing time for Justin Huber. They got him, his minor league numbers suggest he can hit a little bit, why not see? This season's over. 

At the trade deadline, I can't see a lot of value the Pads can deal. Except for, and I know this is blasphemy, dealing Adrian Gonzalez to the yankees. He would be great in that park (and the new one, which supposedly has a similar short porch in right) and the Padres could, legitimately ask for one of Hughes, Kennedy or Austin Jackson along with Kei Igawa, who lots of scouts think could thrive in Petco/the NL. It's a huge move, to trade your best player before free agency, but it could yield huge results, too, especially if the return ends up being 40% of your starting rotation. It's something to think about. Do that, and your 2009 Padres look something like this:
C-Bard
1B - Kouz
2B - Antonelli
SS -  Ronny Cedeno
3B- Headley
LF - Huber
CF - Pie
RF - Murton
SP - Peavy/Young/Wolf/Hughes/Igawa

That's a better lineup than we're sending out now, by far.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-184003"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just catching up here - haven&#8217;t wanted to do much Padres-talking this year (for obvious reasons)<br />
But debating the merits of Gerut/Ambres/Hairston is a bit silly. They&#8217;re all 4th/5th OF types. The padres dug their own grave this year when they let Bradley and Cameron walk without any kind of plan to replace them besides a way over-the-hill Jim Edmonds. The padres, as a small-budget team, have done very well the last few years by doing the little things right - assembling good, cheap bullpens and finding useful bench players. </p>
<p>This season, however, the team decided to turn its useful bench players into starters, and that&#8217;s just not going to work. So it&#8217;s time for radical changes. Henn is a good start - a lefty who reaches the mid-90s. The Yankees are always impatient with their prospects, so I wouldn&#8217;t read much into that. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t touch Jacque Jones - he&#8217;s stretched as a center-fielder and his power is gone. Remember Jay Payton and Terrmell Sledge - same guy. We don&#8217;t want him. The Padres need a defensive stud out there, and if Felix Pie is really available then he should&#8217;ve been a Padre yesterday. I don&#8217;t like the idea of giving up Greene, but since the Cubs have three shortstops on their roster already, I assume Towers could finagle one of them (ideally Cedeno) along with Felix. Piniella hates Pie and unless the cubs are going to dump Uncle Lou soon then I don&#8217;t think Felix has a spot in Chicago. While we&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s grab Matt Murton too - he&#8217;s an on-base machine who can handle right field. This turns into a bigger trade at that point, probably involving a starter, but what better place for Greg Maddux to close out his career in the same place he started it, in a pennant race? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really like Gerut in center at all, but I do understand that they have to have somebody out there. They won&#8217;t let you play with 8 fielders. I am baffled by the sparse playing time for Justin Huber. They got him, his minor league numbers suggest he can hit a little bit, why not see? This season&#8217;s over. </p>
<p>At the trade deadline, I can&#8217;t see a lot of value the Pads can deal. Except for, and I know this is blasphemy, dealing Adrian Gonzalez to the yankees. He would be great in that park (and the new one, which supposedly has a similar short porch in right) and the Padres could, legitimately ask for one of Hughes, Kennedy or Austin Jackson along with Kei Igawa, who lots of scouts think could thrive in Petco/the NL. It&#8217;s a huge move, to trade your best player before free agency, but it could yield huge results, too, especially if the return ends up being 40% of your starting rotation. It&#8217;s something to think about. Do that, and your 2009 Padres look something like this:<br />
C-Bard<br />
1B - Kouz<br />
2B - Antonelli<br />
SS -  Ronny Cedeno<br />
3B- Headley<br />
LF - Huber<br />
CF - Pie<br />
RF - Murton<br />
SP - Peavy/Young/Wolf/Hughes/Igawa</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a better lineup than we&#8217;re sending out now, by far.
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		<title>By: Geoff Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 05:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33@&lt;a href="#comment-183644" rel="nofollow"&gt;Richard Wade&lt;/a&gt;: You noticed that, too?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-183796"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33@<a href="#comment-183644" rel="nofollow">Richard Wade</a>: You noticed that, too?
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 00:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33@&lt;a href="#comment-183644" rel="nofollow"&gt;Richard Wade&lt;/a&gt;: I know and I can't stop.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-183657"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33@<a href="#comment-183644" rel="nofollow">Richard Wade</a>: I know and I can&#8217;t stop.
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#33@&lt;a href="#comment-183644" rel="nofollow"&gt;Richard Wade&lt;/a&gt;: Well said.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-183647"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33@<a href="#comment-183644" rel="nofollow">Richard Wade</a>: Well said.
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is way too much bitching going on.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-183644"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is way too much bitching going on.
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		<title>By: Mark Ase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Ase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 22:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Gerut should get ALL the starts in CF against RHP, that way by September they will know enough about him post knee surgery to know if they should plan on him playing RF in 09.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-183628"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Gerut should get ALL the starts in CF against RHP, that way by September they will know enough about him post knee surgery to know if they should plan on him playing RF in 09.
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		<title>By: parlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>parlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 21:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#29PaulR; I hardly see how someones birthplace is instrumental in improving the team. We are not going to improve our performance by simply trading for players who live closer to San Diego! Provincialism is an expansion team ploy.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-183620"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29PaulR; I hardly see how someones birthplace is instrumental in improving the team. We are not going to improve our performance by simply trading for players who live closer to San Diego! Provincialism is an expansion team ploy.
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		<title>By: parlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>parlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 21:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28 LynchMob; Bengals is code for Tigers. Sort of like Friars equals Padres. White Sox=Pale Hose; Mets=Metropolitans; Red Sox=Bosox; Pirates=Bucs; Indians=Tribe, Yankees=Bombers, etc.  
I am always guilty of calling the Florida Marlins the Miami Marlins. It goes back to the Satchell Paige days&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-183616"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28 LynchMob; Bengals is code for Tigers. Sort of like Friars equals Padres. White Sox=Pale Hose; Mets=Metropolitans; Red Sox=Bosox; Pirates=Bucs; Indians=Tribe, Yankees=Bombers, etc.<br />
I am always guilty of calling the Florida Marlins the Miami Marlins. It goes back to the Satchell Paige days
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		<title>By: Paul R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 21:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Jacque Jones? Local kid, good defensive OF-can play CF (and has played a lot more there than Gerut). If we get Jacque Jones a caddy who hits RH (wait-we have one, it's Scott Hairston) he's an above average (okay, maybe league avg.) CF. An OF of Headley in LF, Jones/Hairston in CF, and Giles in RF is much better that what we've had.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-183612"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Jacque Jones? Local kid, good defensive OF-can play CF (and has played a lot more there than Gerut). If we get Jacque Jones a caddy who hits RH (wait-we have one, it&#8217;s Scott Hairston) he&#8217;s an above average (okay, maybe league avg.) CF. An OF of Headley in LF, Jones/Hairston in CF, and Giles in RF is much better that what we&#8217;ve had.
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