Comments on: Padres Farm Report (20 May 08) http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/padres-farm-report-20-may-08.html Blogging the San Diego Padres baseball club. Established 1997. Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:26:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/padres-farm-report-20-may-08.html#comment-187654 Tom Waits Tue, 20 May 2008 17:53:12 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2535#comment-187654 #24@<a href="#comment-187618" rel="nofollow">Pat</a>: None of those players seems likely to be in such high demand that we can name our price, but they shouldn't just return 4A trash, either. #24@Pat:

None of those players seems likely to be in such high demand that we can name our price, but they shouldn’t just return 4A trash, either.

]]> By: Loren http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/padres-farm-report-20-may-08.html#comment-187641 Loren Tue, 20 May 2008 16:50:02 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2535#comment-187641 Any chance Kouz is included in the trade deals? Iguchi - Indians Maddux - Cubs/Red Sox Wolf - Brewers Kouz - Indians? Giles - Seattle? Kansas City? Had a weird thought last night about trading Kouz, moving Headley back to 3B and (this is where the pipe dream comes in) spending money on Adam Dunn in LF. Any chance Kouz is included in the trade deals?

Iguchi - Indians
Maddux - Cubs/Red Sox
Wolf - Brewers
Kouz - Indians?
Giles - Seattle? Kansas City?

Had a weird thought last night about trading Kouz, moving Headley back to 3B and (this is where the pipe dream comes in) spending money on Adam Dunn in LF.

]]> By: BigWorm http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/padres-farm-report-20-may-08.html#comment-187639 BigWorm Tue, 20 May 2008 16:36:11 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2535#comment-187639 I think many here are underestimating what we might get in trade returns. No, none of our guys are going to net us a major-league ready AAA phenom. Those guys never get traded these days anyway. But look at what we got last year for Linebrink - three pitchers, one of whom may be in the big league rotation next year and a reliever who was with the Padres last year. And Garrison may turn out to be the best in that group. So can't a Maddux / Greene or Tadahito / Bell or Meredith combo net us a couple of prospects ready to break in with the club next year? If Towers has proven anything, it's that he has an uncanny ability to fleece opposing GM's. I won't be the least bit surprised if he ends up with a candidate for the rotation in 2009 as well as a couple of good, young position prospects. In fact, Milwaukee is looking for some rotation and bullpen help - why not go after LaPorta or Alcides Escobar? LaPorta is probably a pipe dream, but I would have said the same thing about Inman for Linebrink before it happened. I think many here are underestimating what we might get in trade returns. No, none of our guys are going to net us a major-league ready AAA phenom. Those guys never get traded these days anyway. But look at what we got last year for Linebrink - three pitchers, one of whom may be in the big league rotation next year and a reliever who was with the Padres last year. And Garrison may turn out to be the best in that group. So can’t a Maddux / Greene or Tadahito / Bell or Meredith combo net us a couple of prospects ready to break in with the club next year? If Towers has proven anything, it’s that he has an uncanny ability to fleece opposing GM’s.

I won’t be the least bit surprised if he ends up with a candidate for the rotation in 2009 as well as a couple of good, young position prospects. In fact, Milwaukee is looking for some rotation and bullpen help - why not go after LaPorta or Alcides Escobar? LaPorta is probably a pipe dream, but I would have said the same thing about Inman for Linebrink before it happened.

]]> By: Pat http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/padres-farm-report-20-may-08.html#comment-187618 Pat Tue, 20 May 2008 14:57:53 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2535#comment-187618 May I claim credit for Hunter's power surge? As soon as I questioned his power development, he pops these 2 HR's. Nice! More to the topic of discussion, sure, go ahead and trade the vets, but they are not going to set us up for the future. We simply do not have much of value at this point. Wolf, Maddux, Estes? They aren't going to bring anything worthwhile; same for Giles, Gerut, Hairston and Iguchi. I really don't understand the trade CY sentiment. Sure he is likely to bring back something worthwhile, but he's the sort of young, affordable and under team control player you want to keep to build around. I guess some people have some scepticism about his durability, but this would almost certainly be reflected in the return he brings. We could be seeing some salary dumping coming up, but I don't see it helping us set ourselves up for the future unfortunately. I think we're going to have to depend on the drafts and international development to pay dividends at some point or become resigned to poor performing clubs again. Sorry to sound so pessimistic, but I'm just not feeling it this morning. :-) May I claim credit for Hunter’s power surge? As soon as I questioned his power development, he pops these 2 HR’s. Nice!

More to the topic of discussion, sure, go ahead and trade the vets, but they are not going to set us up for the future. We simply do not have much of value at this point. Wolf, Maddux, Estes? They aren’t going to bring anything worthwhile; same for Giles, Gerut, Hairston and Iguchi.

I really don’t understand the trade CY sentiment. Sure he is likely to bring back something worthwhile, but he’s the sort of young, affordable and under team control player you want to keep to build around. I guess some people have some scepticism about his durability, but this would almost certainly be reflected in the return he brings.

We could be seeing some salary dumping coming up, but I don’t see it helping us set ourselves up for the future unfortunately. I think we’re going to have to depend on the drafts and international development to pay dividends at some point or become resigned to poor performing clubs again. Sorry to sound so pessimistic, but I’m just not feeling it this morning. :-)

]]> By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/padres-farm-report-20-may-08.html#comment-187610 Tom Waits Tue, 20 May 2008 14:21:50 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2535#comment-187610 #22@<a href="#comment-187604" rel="nofollow">Coronado Mike</a>: Well, the only 2 positions that had new players were CF and LF. The same Padres hit for power last year; Giles is even hitting for more. It's catastrophic failure of players who HAVE hit in the past. It's not like the Padres were expecting a bunch of punch-and-judies to turn into sluggers. They were expecting hitters to be what they had been. They didn't have pie-in-the-sky projections for most of those regulars. The place they deluded themselves was CF, and possibly LF as well. #22@Coronado Mike: Well, the only 2 positions that had new players were CF and LF. The same Padres hit for power last year; Giles is even hitting for more. It’s catastrophic failure of players who HAVE hit in the past. It’s not like the Padres were expecting a bunch of punch-and-judies to turn into sluggers. They were expecting hitters to be what they had been. They didn’t have pie-in-the-sky projections for most of those regulars. The place they deluded themselves was CF, and possibly LF as well.

]]> By: Coronado Mike http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/padres-farm-report-20-may-08.html#comment-187604 Coronado Mike Tue, 20 May 2008 14:07:36 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2535#comment-187604 #20@<a href="#comment-187595" rel="nofollow">parlo</a>: From that article... Somehow, the Padres' statistical analysis folks projected that this club would win 90 games. Maybe they meant over a two-year period. You can win with power, and no speed. You can win with speed, and little power. But to field a team with neither? It boggles the mind. OUCH #20@parlo: From that article…

Somehow, the Padres’ statistical analysis folks projected that this club would win 90 games. Maybe they meant over a two-year period.

You can win with power, and no speed.

You can win with speed, and little power.

But to field a team with neither?

It boggles the mind.

OUCH

]]> By: parlo http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/padres-farm-report-20-may-08.html#comment-187601 parlo Tue, 20 May 2008 13:57:08 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2535#comment-187601 #19 Coronado Mike; Lots of previous cellar dwellers in there. Boston seems like a strange choice. Maybe he doesnt want to hit at Fenway, or learn to play RF in Fenway. It could be that he thinks he would be a platoon player in Boston. #19 Coronado Mike; Lots of previous cellar dwellers in there. Boston seems like a strange choice. Maybe he doesnt want to hit at Fenway, or learn to play RF in Fenway. It could be that he thinks he would be a platoon player in Boston.

]]> By: parlo http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/padres-farm-report-20-may-08.html#comment-187595 parlo Tue, 20 May 2008 13:49:16 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2535#comment-187595 And here is one more Padres story I found this morning. Who says we dont get coverage by the national media ? http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10834026 And here is one more Padres story I found this morning. Who says we dont get coverage by the national media ?

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10834026

]]> By: Coronado Mike http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/padres-farm-report-20-may-08.html#comment-187592 Coronado Mike Tue, 20 May 2008 13:48:14 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2535#comment-187592 #12@<a href="#comment-187568" rel="nofollow">parlo</a>: I hate when they call Chase a LF'er...he is so a 3rd baseman... Also, the list of teams Giles has a no-trade to (Baltimore, Boston, Detroit and Tampa Bay, plus Florida, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh and Washington) is interesting. #12@parlo: I hate when they call Chase a LF’er…he is so a 3rd baseman…

Also, the list of teams Giles has a no-trade to (Baltimore, Boston, Detroit and Tampa Bay, plus Florida, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh and Washington) is interesting.

]]> By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/05/padres-farm-report-20-may-08.html#comment-187591 Tom Waits Tue, 20 May 2008 13:47:05 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/?p=2535#comment-187591 #15@<a href="#comment-187579" rel="nofollow">JP</a>: Gerut, unless a CF comes back in a trade. #17@<a href="#comment-187581" rel="nofollow">parlo</a>: Usually the player gets to submit a list at the start of the year, but whichever way you go, there's a risk. You might leave a team that you hate off the list because they have an all-star outfield and then find yourself in that uniform because one of those all-stars gets hurt. But by putting Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Washington on his list, he basically gave away almost half his slots. #15@JP: Gerut, unless a CF comes back in a trade.

#17@parlo: Usually the player gets to submit a list at the start of the year, but whichever way you go, there’s a risk. You might leave a team that you hate off the list because they have an all-star outfield and then find yourself in that uniform because one of those all-stars gets hurt. But by putting Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Washington on his list, he basically gave away almost half his slots.

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