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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/why-cant-the-padres-capture-our-imagination-and-money.html/comment-page-3#comment-169302</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant believe you downplay the Padres not spending any money this year. we have a good year and miss the playoffs because our closer is washed up and then we sit back and watch everyone else in the division get better except for us. We have no outfield and we need a quality bat in the lineup so we go out and get a has been oft injured center fielder and we hang on to our closer who cant close any more. I am a baseball fan and I think both Trevor Hoffman and Jim Edmonds were awesome but I want to keep this winning tradition going and management doesnt want to spend the money to make it happen. Of course they have no problem raising ticket and concession prices. I almost didnt renew my season tickets I was so mad; but here I am and have watched two blown saves and 4 or 5 plays in centerfield drop that Cameron would have made and I wonder if anyone in the organization cares??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant believe you downplay the Padres not spending any money this year. we have a good year and miss the playoffs because our closer is washed up and then we sit back and watch everyone else in the division get better except for us. We have no outfield and we need a quality bat in the lineup so we go out and get a has been oft injured center fielder and we hang on to our closer who cant close any more. I am a baseball fan and I think both Trevor Hoffman and Jim Edmonds were awesome but I want to keep this winning tradition going and management doesnt want to spend the money to make it happen. Of course they have no problem raising ticket and concession prices. I almost didnt renew my season tickets I was so mad; but here I am and have watched two blown saves and 4 or 5 plays in centerfield drop that Cameron would have made and I wonder if anyone in the organization cares??</p>
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		<title>By: Tim S.</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/why-cant-the-padres-capture-our-imagination-and-money.html/comment-page-3#comment-162682</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living on the East Coast and Midwest, I rarely heard about the Padres because their games didn&#039;t start until 10:30PM EST.  There was no mention in the morning papers because the games did not finish before the publishing deadline.  On the morning news, you might hear how the star players performed for the Giants or Dodgers.   Since San Diego usually does not have the big names, you essentially never hear about them in the major media markets east of the Mississippi.  This makes it tough for transplants to relate to their new home team.  I was lucky because I moved here in September of 1998 as the Padres worked their way into the World Series.  It was hard not to get caught up in the hoopla.  Let&#039;s hope that happens again in 2008!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living on the East Coast and Midwest, I rarely heard about the Padres because their games didn&#8217;t start until 10:30PM EST.  There was no mention in the morning papers because the games did not finish before the publishing deadline.  On the morning news, you might hear how the star players performed for the Giants or Dodgers.   Since San Diego usually does not have the big names, you essentially never hear about them in the major media markets east of the Mississippi.  This makes it tough for transplants to relate to their new home team.  I was lucky because I moved here in September of 1998 as the Padres worked their way into the World Series.  It was hard not to get caught up in the hoopla.  Let&#8217;s hope that happens again in 2008!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say it&#039;s pretty simple: 9 out of 10 people in San Diego are not from San Diego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s pretty simple: 9 out of 10 people in San Diego are not from San Diego.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>119: You can&#039;t predict that at all. Agents don&#039;t set the player values in a vacuum. If ALL teams were willing to make their own assessments of value, it would be a lot closer to Marvin Miller&#039;s nightmare of universal free agency. Instead we have an artificially low demand. 

All teams have an absolutely fair chance right now, without any tweaks other than eliminating MLB&#039;s ability to &quot;punish&quot; slot offenders. The Pirates wouldn&#039;t go over slot in the 2007 draft, but the commissioner&#039;s office (and slot-fans) don&#039;t question them spending 9 million on Matt Morris. No, not just 9 million. About 3 million last year, 9.5 million this year, and at least 1 million in 2009. Yes, that&#039;s a much better investment for a perennial last place team than a 3.5 bonus to Porcello that could push it to 7 million. Talk about penny-wise and pound absolutely idiotic. 

It&#039;s amazing how owners will howl about their rights to engage in capitalistic activity while a certain percentage of those owners want to saddle would-be employees with the most anti-capitalistic obstacles possible. They consistently want to be mandated to act in a certain way rather than simply acting intelligently. 

Porcello was far from the only player who signed over slot, and I don&#039;t see how Detroit is &quot;big market.&quot; 11th largest TV market, which overlaps a region that has been economically savaged over the last couple of years. A lot of smaller market teams went over slot and benefited. Any of the teams picking before Detroit could have afforded Porcello without breaking a sweat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>119: You can&#8217;t predict that at all. Agents don&#8217;t set the player values in a vacuum. If ALL teams were willing to make their own assessments of value, it would be a lot closer to Marvin Miller&#8217;s nightmare of universal free agency. Instead we have an artificially low demand. </p>
<p>All teams have an absolutely fair chance right now, without any tweaks other than eliminating MLB&#8217;s ability to &#8220;punish&#8221; slot offenders. The Pirates wouldn&#8217;t go over slot in the 2007 draft, but the commissioner&#8217;s office (and slot-fans) don&#8217;t question them spending 9 million on Matt Morris. No, not just 9 million. About 3 million last year, 9.5 million this year, and at least 1 million in 2009. Yes, that&#8217;s a much better investment for a perennial last place team than a 3.5 bonus to Porcello that could push it to 7 million. Talk about penny-wise and pound absolutely idiotic. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how owners will howl about their rights to engage in capitalistic activity while a certain percentage of those owners want to saddle would-be employees with the most anti-capitalistic obstacles possible. They consistently want to be mandated to act in a certain way rather than simply acting intelligently. </p>
<p>Porcello was far from the only player who signed over slot, and I don&#8217;t see how Detroit is &#8220;big market.&#8221; 11th largest TV market, which overlaps a region that has been economically savaged over the last couple of years. A lot of smaller market teams went over slot and benefited. Any of the teams picking before Detroit could have afforded Porcello without breaking a sweat.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fathers</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I sure was surprised to see the small market Tigers get Rick Porcello in the draft.  Oh wait . . . ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I sure was surprised to see the small market Tigers get Rick Porcello in the draft.  Oh wait . . . <img src='http://ducksnorts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Fathers</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe in the short run, the small and mid market teams who defect benefit, but all such systems inevitably break down as the defectors overrun the system, the agents recognize this, and the big market teams&#039; market resources overpower other teams.  As long as there are defectors, a smart agent will go to the later drafting big market teams to set the value of the player, which can always increase if earlier drafting teams are willing to meet that price.  

Now, if you can convince me that only the Padres will defect, and that all other teams will follow slot, then I am all for the Padres defecting.

IMO, they need a mandatory slot draft system to provide all teams a fairer chance and to eliminate defections, similar to what is done in the NFL, with the understanding that unlike the NFL, these players, particularly high round picks, usually don&#039;t see the major leagues their first year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe in the short run, the small and mid market teams who defect benefit, but all such systems inevitably break down as the defectors overrun the system, the agents recognize this, and the big market teams&#8217; market resources overpower other teams.  As long as there are defectors, a smart agent will go to the later drafting big market teams to set the value of the player, which can always increase if earlier drafting teams are willing to meet that price.  </p>
<p>Now, if you can convince me that only the Padres will defect, and that all other teams will follow slot, then I am all for the Padres defecting.</p>
<p>IMO, they need a mandatory slot draft system to provide all teams a fairer chance and to eliminate defections, similar to what is done in the NFL, with the understanding that unlike the NFL, these players, particularly high round picks, usually don&#8217;t see the major leagues their first year.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last point from me on &quot;Woe is the Padres, for they cannot capture our money.&quot;

Attendance has gone up significantly, and ticket prices are much higher than at Jack Murphy. The average ticket price in 2003 was $16. The average ticket price in 2007 was $22. Just in tickets alone - leaving aside concessions, any money the team gets from parking, etc - that&#039;s a bump of 4.5 million. If they&#039;d maintained the 2004 attendance levels the bump would have been 5.8, not very big. Those are average ticket prices, not actual tickets sold, but it should track. 

If the concern is that the Padres need more community support, I don&#039;t see it. An extra 1.3 million in attendance revenue wouldn&#039;t change the 25 man roster one bit, or change who we draft. The difference in attendance money between 2004 and 2007 is a drop in the bucket compared to the increased revenue from the national media deals and MLBAM. 

115: The big market teams aren&#039;t benefiting from &quot;defecting.&quot; The real beneficiaries are the small and mid-market teams who realize that every dollar they spend in the draft is worth a hundred dollars spent on mediocre free agents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last point from me on &#8220;Woe is the Padres, for they cannot capture our money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Attendance has gone up significantly, and ticket prices are much higher than at Jack Murphy. The average ticket price in 2003 was $16. The average ticket price in 2007 was $22. Just in tickets alone &#8211; leaving aside concessions, any money the team gets from parking, etc &#8211; that&#8217;s a bump of 4.5 million. If they&#8217;d maintained the 2004 attendance levels the bump would have been 5.8, not very big. Those are average ticket prices, not actual tickets sold, but it should track. </p>
<p>If the concern is that the Padres need more community support, I don&#8217;t see it. An extra 1.3 million in attendance revenue wouldn&#8217;t change the 25 man roster one bit, or change who we draft. The difference in attendance money between 2004 and 2007 is a drop in the bucket compared to the increased revenue from the national media deals and MLBAM. </p>
<p>115: The big market teams aren&#8217;t benefiting from &#8220;defecting.&#8221; The real beneficiaries are the small and mid-market teams who realize that every dollar they spend in the draft is worth a hundred dollars spent on mediocre free agents.</p>
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		<title>By: UC Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>UC Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Padres fans want to see the team go for broke instead of shooting for a healthy long-term plan. The problem is that the team isn&#039;t that good, in my opinion. They&#039;re good enough to make the playoffs if things go well, but they don&#039;t have a realistic chance of really doing damage once they get there. I think the fans sense this.

Not that this means anything, but I bought MLB 2K8 for my 360. Playing with the Padres is depressing. The national perception is that the Padres offense is terrible, and they don&#039;t make up for it with a lot of athleticism or fire. You can only say &quot;Check out their home/road splits&quot; so many times before people start to ignore you and think you&#039;re crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Padres fans want to see the team go for broke instead of shooting for a healthy long-term plan. The problem is that the team isn&#8217;t that good, in my opinion. They&#8217;re good enough to make the playoffs if things go well, but they don&#8217;t have a realistic chance of really doing damage once they get there. I think the fans sense this.</p>
<p>Not that this means anything, but I bought MLB 2K8 for my 360. Playing with the Padres is depressing. The national perception is that the Padres offense is terrible, and they don&#8217;t make up for it with a lot of athleticism or fire. You can only say &#8220;Check out their home/road splits&#8221; so many times before people start to ignore you and think you&#8217;re crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>110: Great post Mary!  Have fun at ST!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>110: Great post Mary!  Have fun at ST!!</p>
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		<title>By: The Fathers</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re 101:

I&#039;m sorry, but I have to agree with Phantom on Kyle Lohse.  He is not a big name player and most San Diego fans have never heard of him.  If the Padres chose to allocate their payroll resources elsewhere, then question those moves so that Lohse could be brought in.  Same with Edmonds; criticize the team&#039;s allocation and provide alternatives available at the time, and please don&#039;t say Andruw Jones or Torii Hunter - they did not fit within the budget without gutting too many other areas of need so as to stay within resource limits.

If the team is not making a profit and is putting all of its money into its product at one level of another, by my logical reasoning it cannot be cheap, unless you redefine cheap to require the ownership to continuously take big operating losses.

Your point regarding Porcello over Schmidt relates to resource allocation and also the attempt at ownership solidarity in terms of not paying more than slot (a collective bargaining and draft fairness related ploy), not whether or not the team is cheap.  On resource allocation, I would have preferred the Padres invested more in the draft, and less in retread pitchers for the 40 man roster.  On the slot issue, that is designed to allow the non-big market teams to at least try to level the playing field more in the draft; the more defectors from the slot issue there are, the more that benefits Boras clients and the big market teams.  I still would have preferred them taking Porcello over Schmidt, but imo that has nothing to do with the organization being cheap.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I have to agree with Phantom on Kyle Lohse.  He is not a big name player and most San Diego fans have never heard of him.  If the Padres chose to allocate their payroll resources elsewhere, then question those moves so that Lohse could be brought in.  Same with Edmonds; criticize the team&#8217;s allocation and provide alternatives available at the time, and please don&#8217;t say Andruw Jones or Torii Hunter &#8211; they did not fit within the budget without gutting too many other areas of need so as to stay within resource limits.</p>
<p>If the team is not making a profit and is putting all of its money into its product at one level of another, by my logical reasoning it cannot be cheap, unless you redefine cheap to require the ownership to continuously take big operating losses.</p>
<p>Your point regarding Porcello over Schmidt relates to resource allocation and also the attempt at ownership solidarity in terms of not paying more than slot (a collective bargaining and draft fairness related ploy), not whether or not the team is cheap.  On resource allocation, I would have preferred the Padres invested more in the draft, and less in retread pitchers for the 40 man roster.  On the slot issue, that is designed to allow the non-big market teams to at least try to level the playing field more in the draft; the more defectors from the slot issue there are, the more that benefits Boras clients and the big market teams.  I still would have preferred them taking Porcello over Schmidt, but imo that has nothing to do with the organization being cheap.</p>
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