Comments on: Everywhere but Here http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html Blogging the San Diego Padres baseball club. Established 1997. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:36:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Geoff Young http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160319 Geoff Young Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:57:14 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160319 Running a shade late this morning. Will have something by 8:15 a.m. PT. Thanks!<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-160319">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Running a shade late this morning. Will have something by 8:15 a.m. PT. Thanks!

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]]> By: Geoff Young http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160312 Geoff Young Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:03:28 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160312 #50: I haven't read the entire article, but Sheehan's conclusion is overly simplistic, as is my rebuttal: Peavy '04 (Payton): 2.27 ERA Peavy '05 (Roberts) 2.88 Peavy '06 (Cameron) 4.09 Bring Payton back, and Peavy's ERA will be below 1.00. Oh, logic doesn't work that way? My bad.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-160312">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #50: I haven’t read the entire article, but Sheehan’s conclusion is overly simplistic, as is my rebuttal:

Peavy ‘04 (Payton): 2.27 ERA
Peavy ‘05 (Roberts) 2.88
Peavy ‘06 (Cameron) 4.09

Bring Payton back, and Peavy’s ERA will be below 1.00. Oh, logic doesn’t work that way? My bad.

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]]> By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160298 Tom Waits Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:00:30 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160298 72: It's possible that the heavy air at Petco night games makes it possible for sub-par defenders to do an adequate job. Balls hang up longer, etc. But on the other hand, in 2005 we didn't have Chris Young getting 2x as many fly ball outs as grounders. Wolf relies on FB outs, too, about as much as Woody did 3 years ago, but there was nobody as extreme as CY. Even if Edmonds was "just" Roberts circa 2005 defensively, he's almost certain to miss a lot of games. Maybe Hairston will be our CF savior.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-160298">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 72: It’s possible that the heavy air at Petco night games makes it possible for sub-par defenders to do an adequate job. Balls hang up longer, etc. But on the other hand, in 2005 we didn’t have Chris Young getting 2x as many fly ball outs as grounders. Wolf relies on FB outs, too, about as much as Woody did 3 years ago, but there was nobody as extreme as CY.

Even if Edmonds was “just” Roberts circa 2005 defensively, he’s almost certain to miss a lot of games. Maybe Hairston will be our CF savior.

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]]> By: jay http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160209 jay Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:43:30 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160209 Nice comment trail. Joe can annoy me (mostly over his defense of Bonds and stance on steroids) but while his suggestion to get a defense only type of player is unsupported by the offensive subtraction of that player, I am still really, really nervous about our OF defense. I did a little digging which makes me feel better. In 2005 we had Klesko in left and Roberts in center, which is about what we have now, though Giles is slower now than in 2005. But difference from our home vs. road ERA (rough measure) was 1.27. It was 1.40 last year, during Joe's "Cameron era), but a paltry 0.24 in 2006, though that was a freakish year for the road pitching. This is a rough measure, but in 2005 we got a pretty big pitching lift at home with some bad OF, so hopefully we can get it again. Of course Petco still kills us on net (12th of 16 in NL in home field advantage in 2007, dead last in 2006), but 2005 gives us some hope the balls will not drop that much worse than the last few years.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-160209">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Nice comment trail. Joe can annoy me (mostly over his defense of Bonds and stance on steroids) but while his suggestion to get a defense only type of player is unsupported by the offensive subtraction of that player, I am still really, really nervous about our OF defense.

I did a little digging which makes me feel better. In 2005 we had Klesko in left and Roberts in center, which is about what we have now, though Giles is slower now than in 2005. But difference from our home vs. road ERA (rough measure) was 1.27. It was 1.40 last year, during Joe’s “Cameron era), but a paltry 0.24 in 2006, though that was a freakish year for the road pitching.

This is a rough measure, but in 2005 we got a pretty big pitching lift at home with some bad OF, so hopefully we can get it again.

Of course Petco still kills us on net (12th of 16 in NL in home field advantage in 2007, dead last in 2006), but 2005 gives us some hope the balls will not drop that much worse than the last few years.

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]]> By: Ian C. http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160190 Ian C. Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:52:56 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160190 this is amazingly irrelevant, but Scott Boras was at the SDSU vs BYU game with 3 scouts.... just thought i'd add that<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-160190">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> this is amazingly irrelevant, but Scott Boras was at the SDSU vs BYU game with 3 scouts….

just thought i’d add that

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]]> By: Pat http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160185 Pat Fri, 14 Mar 2008 04:59:11 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160185 RE 69: Uh, make that what TW said in 64.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-160185">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> RE 69: Uh, make that what TW said in 64.

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]]> By: Pat http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160184 Pat Fri, 14 Mar 2008 04:58:28 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160184 59: I was going to say what TW said in 63, but he said it better. :-) I do think it's more than just going from Cameron to Edmonds; Giles could be problematic and LF is unsettled at best right now. But I really don't have a beef with your well reasoned take either. Here's to hoping we catch some breaks out there.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-160184">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 59: I was going to say what TW said in 63, but he said it better. :-)

I do think it’s more than just going from Cameron to Edmonds; Giles could be problematic and LF is unsettled at best right now. But I really don’t have a beef with your well reasoned take either. Here’s to hoping we catch some breaks out there.

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]]> By: dprat http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160179 dprat Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:54:52 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160179 LM, GY, et al, If'n y'all don't mind picking up a lurker at a park'n'ride TBD somewhere between Escondido & Hwy 76, I'd love to join ya' on April 9. If the timing doesn't work, I can meetcha at the Diamond.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-160179">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> LM, GY, et al,

If’n y’all don’t mind picking up a lurker at a park’n'ride TBD somewhere between Escondido & Hwy 76, I’d love to join ya’ on April 9. If the timing doesn’t work, I can meetcha at the Diamond.

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]]> By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160177 Tom Waits Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:32:52 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160177 65: That's just not how it works. Those stats account for every park that you play in. You can't say "Wow, we had a good offense because we scored on the road, and runs are all that matter" and then say "We didn't score at home, but there were X, Y, and Z reasons why." Context either matters or it doesn't. It can't not matter on the road but matter to no end at home. If we're going to ignore context and peripherals, then Sheehan's point would still stand, because we weren't good by raw runs scored. Our offense wasn't bad last year. It wasn't good, either.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-160177">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 65: That’s just not how it works. Those stats account for every park that you play in. You can’t say “Wow, we had a good offense because we scored on the road, and runs are all that matter” and then say “We didn’t score at home, but there were X, Y, and Z reasons why.” Context either matters or it doesn’t. It can’t not matter on the road but matter to no end at home.

If we’re going to ignore context and peripherals, then Sheehan’s point would still stand, because we weren’t good by raw runs scored. Our offense wasn’t bad last year. It wasn’t good, either.

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]]> By: MB http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160172 MB Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:57:47 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/03/everywhere-but-here.html#comment-160172 65: Schlom, I think the argument could (and probably has been, although I haven't read every post in this thread) be made that they are above average on the road, but below average at home ... and as in "below average" I mean below what the average team would be expected to score after taking Petco into account. I actually haven't looked to see if that's true, but it's easy enough to do. Anyway, they play 81 games there and I don't think they should get any special break beyond a normal park adjustment, if that makes any sense.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-160172">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 65: Schlom, I think the argument could (and probably has been, although I haven’t read every post in this thread) be made that they are above average on the road, but below average at home … and as in “below average” I mean below what the average team would be expected to score after taking Petco into account. I actually haven’t looked to see if that’s true, but it’s easy enough to do.

Anyway, they play 81 games there and I don’t think they should get any special break beyond a normal park adjustment, if that makes any sense.

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