Comments on: Spring Training Notes (19 Feb 08) http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html Blogging the San Diego Padres baseball club. Established 1997. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:11:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Didi http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152765 Didi Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:33:46 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152765 56: I guess T Gwynn didn't quite have a plethora of jersey numbers before settling on 19, LM. :)<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-152765">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 56: I guess T Gwynn didn’t quite have a plethora of jersey numbers before settling on 19, LM. :)

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]]> By: LynchMob http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152715 LynchMob Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:05:55 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152715 14 ... TW ... agree that the blue sky over TGs head in the photo does make it look like ST ... and good idea about sending TG an email ... but ... got a suggestion for an email address? There's not one listed here ... http://goaztecs.cstv.com/school-bio/directory.html ... which doesn't surprise me ... 16 ... thanks, GY ... at least the "53" part of the mystery is solved ... and my last shred of doubt that it's TG himself on his card is now gone ...<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-152715">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 14 … TW … agree that the blue sky over TGs head in the photo does make it look like ST … and good idea about sending TG an email … but … got a suggestion for an email address? There’s not one listed here … http://goaztecs.cstv.com/school-bio/directory.html … which doesn’t surprise me …

16 … thanks, GY … at least the “53″ part of the mystery is solved … and my last shred of doubt that it’s TG himself on his card is now gone …

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]]> By: Brett http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152703 Brett Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:48:16 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152703 54: I think we're going to start developing more good pitchers pretty soon. But I don't think I'd complain about the staff that had by far the best ERA in baseball just because it wasn't home grown. Also, Lincecum is quite a talent but we also got Antonelli, Latos, Leblanc, and C. Hunter out of the same draft so lets wait and see on the recent drafts (which I think we've done well). Also, even though Chris Young and A-Gon were not developed by us, the talent we traded (eaton, otsuka, killian) for them was. Same with getting Heath Bell. I don't think it matters where we get players as long as we don't completely overpay for them in free agency.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-152703">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 54: I think we’re going to start developing more good pitchers pretty soon. But I don’t think I’d complain about the staff that had by far the best ERA in baseball just because it wasn’t home grown. Also, Lincecum is quite a talent but we also got Antonelli, Latos, Leblanc, and C. Hunter out of the same draft so lets wait and see on the recent drafts (which I think we’ve done well).

Also, even though Chris Young and A-Gon were not developed by us, the talent we traded (eaton, otsuka, killian) for them was. Same with getting Heath Bell. I don’t think it matters where we get players as long as we don’t completely overpay for them in free agency.

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]]> By: Schlom http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152663 Schlom Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:44:02 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152663 Who is worse at developing young players, the Giants or the Padres? The Padres will have Greene and maybe Headley on offense, Peavy in the rotation (although I guess you could also count Germano). McAnulty might also be on the bench. For the Giants, they might have Ortmeier at 1B and Frandsen at 3B (blech), probably some bench guys, but their pitching staff is stacked with home-grown players. Their rotation, with the exception of Zito, will be all home-grown (Cain, Lincecum, Lowry, Sanchez or Correia) while the bullpen will probably be the same. It's a good thing that Sabean has screwed up the Giants so badly -- if they developed hitters like they have pitchers the last few seasons the Padres would be in trouble.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-152663">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Who is worse at developing young players, the Giants or the Padres? The Padres will have Greene and maybe Headley on offense, Peavy in the rotation (although I guess you could also count Germano). McAnulty might also be on the bench. For the Giants, they might have Ortmeier at 1B and Frandsen at 3B (blech), probably some bench guys, but their pitching staff is stacked with home-grown players. Their rotation, with the exception of Zito, will be all home-grown (Cain, Lincecum, Lowry, Sanchez or Correia) while the bullpen will probably be the same.

It’s a good thing that Sabean has screwed up the Giants so badly — if they developed hitters like they have pitchers the last few seasons the Padres would be in trouble.

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]]> By: JP http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152657 JP Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:31:17 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152657 #52 Perhaps the worst Sabean trade outside of the infamous Liriano , Joe Nathan and Bonser deal for A.J Pierszinski debacle was the ridiculous move of young flamethrower Jeremy Accardo for Shea Hillenbrand.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-152657">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #52 Perhaps the worst Sabean trade outside of the infamous Liriano , Joe Nathan and Bonser deal for A.J Pierszinski debacle was the ridiculous move of young flamethrower Jeremy Accardo for Shea Hillenbrand.

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]]> By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152621 Tom Waits Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:35:21 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152621 51: Yeah, but they don't give you more wins for doing it with homegrown guys. Somehow despite all those negatives the Giants won a ton of games. From 1997 to 2004 they AVERAGED 90+ wins. Sabean's had as much success as Towers. The fact that Sabean's now in a downcycle doesn't mean we can forget our own, the one that last 5 long, long seasons. People make a lot of noise about 4 straight winnings seasons in Petco; the Giants streak was twice as long. Three years into the Padres' last rebuilding cycle (2001), I'd have killed for a group of young players that included Cain, Correia, and Lincecum. Our best youngsters were Brian Lawrence and Adam Eaton.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-152621">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 51: Yeah, but they don’t give you more wins for doing it with homegrown guys. Somehow despite all those negatives the Giants won a ton of games. From 1997 to 2004 they AVERAGED 90+ wins.

Sabean’s had as much success as Towers. The fact that Sabean’s now in a downcycle doesn’t mean we can forget our own, the one that last 5 long, long seasons. People make a lot of noise about 4 straight winnings seasons in Petco; the Giants streak was twice as long.

Three years into the Padres’ last rebuilding cycle (2001), I’d have killed for a group of young players that included Cain, Correia, and Lincecum. Our best youngsters were Brian Lawrence and Adam Eaton.

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]]> By: UC Michael http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152616 UC Michael Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:23:20 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152616 As far as the Giants are concerned, I think that they had a higher payroll than the Padres in most years even if you subtract Bonds' contract. I'm curious how their payroll will compare in 2008 ... it might still be higher. Brian Sabean habitually threw his first round draft picks away to sign mediocre veterans, traded his best prospects (in the rare instances that he had any), signed old guys. For every Ellis Burks, there were three Dave Roberts'. They didn't develop one significant offensive player between 2000 and 2008. Maybe Torrealba. Maybe Fred Lewis. Maybe Bill Mueller. Maybe Pedro Feliz, though he's always been seen as a disappointment. He's done better with pitching, but not by a lot. The 2001 team is largely other teams' dudes apart from Russ Ortiz. The current crop of Lowry, Cain, Correia, Lincecum, Sanchez, Wilson is probably the best group of homegrown guys in Sabean's history.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-152616">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> As far as the Giants are concerned, I think that they had a higher payroll than the Padres in most years even if you subtract Bonds’ contract. I’m curious how their payroll will compare in 2008 … it might still be higher.

Brian Sabean habitually threw his first round draft picks away to sign mediocre veterans, traded his best prospects (in the rare instances that he had any), signed old guys. For every Ellis Burks, there were three Dave Roberts’. They didn’t develop one significant offensive player between 2000 and 2008. Maybe Torrealba. Maybe Fred Lewis. Maybe Bill Mueller. Maybe Pedro Feliz, though he’s always been seen as a disappointment.

He’s done better with pitching, but not by a lot. The 2001 team is largely other teams’ dudes apart from Russ Ortiz. The current crop of Lowry, Cain, Correia, Lincecum, Sanchez, Wilson is probably the best group of homegrown guys in Sabean’s history.

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]]> By: Schlom http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152615 Schlom Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:23:08 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152615 I was thinking that signing Livan isn't a move that a good team makes but the Diamondbacks had him last season and he didn't hurt them too much. I also hate the move to carry 12 pitchers. They had pitchers last season that went long stretches without pitching, why would it be any different this season?<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-152615">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> I was thinking that signing Livan isn’t a move that a good team makes but the Diamondbacks had him last season and he didn’t hurt them too much.

I also hate the move to carry 12 pitchers. They had pitchers last season that went long stretches without pitching, why would it be any different this season?

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]]> By: Phantom http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152613 Phantom Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:15:51 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152613 48: I would have loved to see him serve up flyballs in PETCO. I remember a particularly onerous game in '06 (I think) when he just absolutely terrorized our line-up with nothing but junk until OG finally put one out to right. I remember being so aggravated watching us not get solid contact off of him and just thinking what he'd be able to do if he pitched here full time. But alas, there's no use in thinking about that now.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-152613">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 48: I would have loved to see him serve up flyballs in PETCO. I remember a particularly onerous game in ‘06 (I think) when he just absolutely terrorized our line-up with nothing but junk until OG finally put one out to right. I remember being so aggravated watching us not get solid contact off of him and just thinking what he’d be able to do if he pitched here full time. But alas, there’s no use in thinking about that now.

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]]> By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152611 Tom Waits Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:00:38 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2008/02/spring-training-notes-19-feb-08.html#comment-152611 46: I absolutely agree that Livan is dangerous. More dangerous than Wolf or Prior, though? There's almost no upside, but as GY says, he's going to the post every 5th start. We only have 2 other starters you can say that about; Jake's had nagging injuries before and is too valuable to ride very hard, and Maddux is older than me. His falloff to 204 innings in a rough home park would have still ranked 2nd on a Padre staff that was starved for innings in the stretch drive. It's not hard for me to see him put it in cruise control with that 81mph fastball on moist nights in Petco, ready to go 11 innings if needed.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-152611">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 46: I absolutely agree that Livan is dangerous. More dangerous than Wolf or Prior, though? There’s almost no upside, but as GY says, he’s going to the post every 5th start. We only have 2 other starters you can say that about; Jake’s had nagging injuries before and is too valuable to ride very hard, and Maddux is older than me.

His falloff to 204 innings in a rough home park would have still ranked 2nd on a Padre staff that was starved for innings in the stretch drive. It’s not hard for me to see him put it in cruise control with that 81mph fastball on moist nights in Petco, ready to go 11 innings if needed.

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