OK, who’s going to back him up next year? After all, I’m not sure what I did last season that help Khalil not get into any freak accident so I cannot repeat whatever it was that I did. I’m still seeing Oscar Robles, and the kid the Padres got from the Twins, and possibly the rule V Callix Crabbe if he can be the gritty player that the Eck is supposed to be.

They are based the players total contributions. It’s not so much Peavy’s lack of games that affects him, although it certainly does, but the innings that pitchers pitch today. The win shares for Bob Gibson, for example, were much higher because he pitched 300+ innings. He would often be among the league leaders. I think he was first once.

Road stats are a great equalizer, and Greene puts up great road numbers for a middle infielder.

If Holliday and Gonzalez switched parks, then there’s a different second-place finisher in the MVP voting.

re: team MVP

I don’t think a pitcher can win that award with the Padres. I will have to check the media guide later. Not saying that’s the way it should be.

Gonzalez was clearly better than Greene. Gonzalez vs. Peavy is a more nuanced debate.

re: Green’s hair

The ladies love Greene for his Spicoli surfer dude good looks and his hair. I like his demeanor. But I don’t think neither of those views inform the opinion of any studious fan. For example, those on this site.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/.....-toy-15638

… and so is/was this …

http://cache.gawker.com/assets.....erspee.jpg

… both links compliments of uniwatch.

So, who’s going to be the Padres’ backup SS in 2008?

“The only immature thing that has transpired here today is the concept that Khalil is only populat because of his looks.”

This is exactly the sort of overreaction and unnecessarily hyperbolic statements I’m trying to point out to you. Melvin’s only reference to “looks” was the simple statement, “I don’t know if it’s the poor use of poor to begin with counting statistics like RBIs that gets to me the most, or if it’s my sneaking suspicion that blond hair and good looks are what compound the over-rating of Khalil Greene.”

You acknowledged this was meant to be satirical, Melvin acknowledged it, and yet your reaction was and continues to be as if it was a serious statement.

CM said, “I think there is something to the Good Looks makes a difference card.” And there is. There’s no doubt part of his popularity is due to his looks.

But NO ONE has said the ONLY reason he’s popular is because of his looks, except you.

“And I defend him because I’m defending the use of logic. Seriously, if our assessments of players are going to be based on factors that have nothing to do with on-field performance, than we might as well abandon rational discourse altogether. ”

No, your defense is not of logic; it is a defense of KG. No one here today has assessed KG’s on-field performance based on his looks. Instead what has been noted is he is overrated by many fans, in part, because of them, and Melvin, with tongue in cheek, suggested they played a part in his undue MVP award.

“I just think it’s pretty lame that people would resort to arguments like “well my girlfriend thinks he’s cute and that’s why he’s overrated.” That’s ****.”

Yes, it would be **** if anyone had done so, but they haven’t.

I now pronounce this horse officially deceased. Please feel free to continue flogging it in my abscence should you so desire.

I don’t know why people are doubting why part of Khalil’s popularity is because of his personality and looks — I don’t think that’s debatable (although I wish they would stop interviewing him after games, he’s about as boring as watching paint dry). However, despite his atrocious OBP) he is still a valuable player, especially considering the alternatives. In fact, he’s probably more irreplaceable then pretty much any other Padres except for Peavy as I expect they could probably find a 1B that hits close to Gonzalez on the cheap but there is no way they could find a replacement for Greene.

And I defend him because I’m defending the use of logic. Seriously, if our assessments of players are going to be based on factors that have nothing to do with on-field performance, than we might as well abandon rational discourse altogether.

I am not going to challenge anyone to a duel. I just think it’s pretty lame that people would resort to arguments like “well my girlfriend thinks he’s cute and that’s why he’s overrated.” That’s ****. It’s completley unprovable and does nothing to further the discussion.

I have nothing against CM or the Sac Bunt guys. But I would hope that if I were to spout equally indefensible rhetoric that someone would call me on it.