Comments on: Interview: Steve Poltz, Part 4 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html Blogging the San Diego Padres baseball club. Established 1997. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:55:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Steve Poltz is a Legend. « manestream http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-133888 Steve Poltz is a Legend. « manestream Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:59:48 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-133888 [...] 1 - Part 2 - Part 3 - Part 4 - Part [...]<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-133888">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> [...] 1 - Part 2 - Part 3 - Part 4 - Part [...]

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]]> By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124440 Tom Waits Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:21:13 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124440 173: I don't know how you can parse the trade up that way. If Maybin and Miller aren't part of the package, neither Marlin comes north. It doesn't matter why Miller went to the majors so soon. His incredibly rapid promotion explains why his K numbers mean a lot less than they usually would. Less than 12 months after signing he was in the majors for real with Detroit. He's thrown in 18 minor league games, you can't look for any kind of strict K/9 rates in 85 innings spread between three levels.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-124440">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 173: I don’t know how you can parse the trade up that way. If Maybin and Miller aren’t part of the package, neither Marlin comes north.

It doesn’t matter why Miller went to the majors so soon. His incredibly rapid promotion explains why his K numbers mean a lot less than they usually would. Less than 12 months after signing he was in the majors for real with Detroit. He’s thrown in 18 minor league games, you can’t look for any kind of strict K/9 rates in 85 innings spread between three levels.

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]]> By: Peter Friberg http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124437 Peter Friberg Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:11:00 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124437 169: But they didn't trade Miller for Cabrera straight up... I think it was more Cabrera for Maybin and Willis for Miller and plus-plus-plus to get the job done on both accounts. Lincicum was being looked at as #1 overall... Kershaw went 1 behind Miller so had to be in play in that area. Snyder (along with Rolle) were talked about as the best HS bats in the draft. Miller get to the MLB after only Low-A was a condidition of his contract, not an earned right of passage.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-124437">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 169: But they didn’t trade Miller for Cabrera straight up… I think it was more Cabrera for Maybin and Willis for Miller and plus-plus-plus to get the job done on both accounts.

Lincicum was being looked at as #1 overall… Kershaw went 1 behind Miller so had to be in play in that area. Snyder (along with Rolle) were talked about as the best HS bats in the draft.

Miller get to the MLB after only Low-A was a condidition of his contract, not an earned right of passage.

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]]> By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124422 Tom Waits Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:19:19 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124422 155: How is he different in total production from Craig Stansberry? Stansberry can actually play short, did it last year, and has more power. Callix has more speed. If Callix is a legitimate OF, so is Stansberry. It's not a big deal on its own, but it doesn't make sense to spend 50 grand on a player you already had when you count every penny in the draft.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-124422">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 155: How is he different in total production from Craig Stansberry? Stansberry can actually play short, did it last year, and has more power. Callix has more speed. If Callix is a legitimate OF, so is Stansberry.

It’s not a big deal on its own, but it doesn’t make sense to spend 50 grand on a player you already had when you count every penny in the draft.

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]]> By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124346 Tom Waits Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:30:39 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124346 168: Andrew Miller went from low A to the majors in 2006. Most prospects spend at least 3-4 years in the minors, getting accustomed to the competition, moving up, repeat. Miller got almost no adjustment period at any level. But how good he is or will be doesn't even matter. The Tigers didn't even pay 2 million dollars total over slot for the players they traded to Florida. Cabrera and Willis would cost them an investment of 200 million on the free agent market.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-124346">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 168: Andrew Miller went from low A to the majors in 2006. Most prospects spend at least 3-4 years in the minors, getting accustomed to the competition, moving up, repeat. Miller got almost no adjustment period at any level.

But how good he is or will be doesn’t even matter. The Tigers didn’t even pay 2 million dollars total over slot for the players they traded to Florida. Cabrera and Willis would cost them an investment of 200 million on the free agent market.

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]]> By: Coronado Mike http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124299 Coronado Mike Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:57:14 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124299 Peter...how many scouts or teams would have said that they would take Lincicum or Kershaw or Snyder 2 years ago? Heck, the Giants are talking about moving Lincicum for Rios...a good player, but not of the type Cabrera is...<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-124299">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Peter…how many scouts or teams would have said that they would take Lincicum or Kershaw or Snyder 2 years ago? Heck, the Giants are talking about moving Lincicum for Rios…a good player, but not of the type Cabrera is…

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]]> By: Coronado Mike http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124298 Coronado Mike Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:55:27 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124298 Best sushi dinner I ever had was in Chicago...the chef has since moved to LA, but I did eat it in Chicago... And Andrew Miller has turned out as well or better than what the Tigers hoped...sure, he is no longer with them, but to echo what TW said, they got Miguel Cabrera and Willis...I am not a fan of Willis, but Cabrera is one of the top 3 or 4 hitters in the game and Willis is a servicable mid-rotation starter....<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-124298">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Best sushi dinner I ever had was in Chicago…the chef has since moved to LA, but I did eat it in Chicago…

And Andrew Miller has turned out as well or better than what the Tigers hoped…sure, he is no longer with them, but to echo what TW said, they got Miguel Cabrera and Willis…I am not a fan of Willis, but Cabrera is one of the top 3 or 4 hitters in the game and Willis is a servicable mid-rotation starter….

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]]> By: Peter Friberg http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124292 Peter Friberg Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:48:21 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124292 Look, I think Andrew Miller is solid, but K-rates decline once a player gets to the majors... A. Miller, for all his "devestating" stuff only has a 7.5 K/9 in the minors. Guys who do that grow on trees. It's just like Jared Wells. Wells had the best velocity of any Juco pitcher when the Padres signed him. Now he's in relief. Miller, again, may have a 97 MPH fastball, but he surely isn't missing as many bats as you'd expect. There's an old baseball adage that applies here, "the hitter will tell you how good the pitcher's stuff is." And the hitters hit Miller a lot harder (or lay off his out-of-the-strike zone pitches at a great enough rate) to tell us that he was NOT worthy #1 overall money. I'd much rather have Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincicum, and Travis Snyder; each players drafted after Miller who signed for more than $1m less than Miller...<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-124292">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Look, I think Andrew Miller is solid, but K-rates decline once a player gets to the majors… A. Miller, for all his “devestating” stuff only has a 7.5 K/9 in the minors. Guys who do that grow on trees. It’s just like Jared Wells. Wells had the best velocity of any Juco pitcher when the Padres signed him. Now he’s in relief. Miller, again, may have a 97 MPH fastball, but he surely isn’t missing as many bats as you’d expect. There’s an old baseball adage that applies here, “the hitter will tell you how good the pitcher’s stuff is.” And the hitters hit Miller a lot harder (or lay off his out-of-the-strike zone pitches at a great enough rate) to tell us that he was NOT worthy #1 overall money. I’d much rather have Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincicum, and Travis Snyder; each players drafted after Miller who signed for more than $1m less than Miller…

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]]> By: LaMar http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124279 LaMar Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:24:54 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124279 I know this is a Padre/Baseball blog, but sometimes you just come across something that makes you proud that you can watch him every week. This is an article about LT and a preface to his appearance on 60 Minutes on Sunday. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/06/60minutes/main3585567.shtml<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-124279">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> I know this is a Padre/Baseball blog, but sometimes you just come across something that makes you proud that you can watch him every week. This is an article about LT and a preface to his appearance on 60 Minutes on Sunday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....5567.shtml

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]]> By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124250 Tom Waits Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:38:07 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/12/interview-steve-poltz-part-4.html#comment-124250 162: Seriously? Miller was drafted in 2006. He's already played in the majors. The Tigers didn't trade him because they were disappointed with his performance. They traded him because it got them MIGUEL CABRERA and DONTRELLE WILLIS for two years each. Plus, they know they'll have a chance to draft well again. Paying over slot for those two, to the tune of a couple of million dollars total, allowed them to get one of baseball's best young hitters and a pitcher who, if you're really serious about your criticisms of Miller, is an immediate upgrade. If Miller was a Padre he'd be our #1 prospect and quite possibly in our starting rotation. It's not hard to imagine how positive you'd be when talking about a LH starting pitcher with that kind of stuff. The Padres don't set a dollar value on players that takes into account their talent and their trade value as a prospect. They let the commissioner's office do it for them.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-124250">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 162: Seriously?

Miller was drafted in 2006. He’s already played in the majors. The Tigers didn’t trade him because they were disappointed with his performance. They traded him because it got them MIGUEL CABRERA and DONTRELLE WILLIS for two years each. Plus, they know they’ll have a chance to draft well again. Paying over slot for those two, to the tune of a couple of million dollars total, allowed them to get one of baseball’s best young hitters and a pitcher who, if you’re really serious about your criticisms of Miller, is an immediate upgrade.

If Miller was a Padre he’d be our #1 prospect and quite possibly in our starting rotation. It’s not hard to imagine how positive you’d be when talking about a LH starting pitcher with that kind of stuff.

The Padres don’t set a dollar value on players that takes into account their talent and their trade value as a prospect. They let the commissioner’s office do it for them.

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