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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/11/this-date-in-ducksnorts-19-nov.html#comment-111325</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12: Within the DS community, neither overrated, nor underrated.  Within the general Padres fan community, highly overrated.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-111325"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>12: Within the DS community, neither overrated, nor underrated.  Within the general Padres fan community, highly overrated.
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: 39 I was waiting for you to rear your Khalil Greene hating head! - j/k&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-111315"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 39 I was waiting for you to rear your Khalil Greene hating head! - j/k
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		<title>By: Coronado Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coronado Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: 12...Did someone call my name?  ;-)&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-111301"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 12&#8230;Did someone call my name?  <img src='http://ducksnorts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/11/this-date-in-ducksnorts-19-nov.html#comment-111009</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>36: It was an honest mistake on your part.  Don't worry about it.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-111009"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>36: It was an honest mistake on your part.  Don&#8217;t worry about it.
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		<title>By: SDSUBaseball</title>
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		<dc:creator>SDSUBaseball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>36:  Bonds has just about as much to do with the Padres as the Chargers do.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-110919"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>36:  Bonds has just about as much to do with the Padres as the Chargers do.
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		<title>By: Sean Callahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Bonds finally gets indicted.  

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/15/bonds.indictment.ap/index.html

Seems rather fishy - shortly after a record is broken or a milestone achieved, 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/01/AR2005080100739.html

the disciplinarians get going.  Wouldn't want MLB to miss out on any publicity.

Oh, excuse me.  I thought this was a Padres / baseball blog... :)&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-110860"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Bonds finally gets indicted.  </p>
<p><a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/15/bonds.indictment.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html</a></p>
<p>Seems rather fishy - shortly after a record is broken or a milestone achieved, </p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/01/AR2005080100739.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00739.html</a></p>
<p>the disciplinarians get going.  Wouldn&#8217;t want MLB to miss out on any publicity.</p>
<p>Oh, excuse me.  I thought this was a Padres / baseball blog&#8230; <img src='http://ducksnorts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When comparing this year's team and last year's team, please pay attention to the difference in strength of schedule.  This year's team is facing a top 10 schedule and last year's team had the third easiest schedule.

We're allowing the same Yards per Play as last year against this year's more difficult schedule and we have forced the same number of fumbles and picked off one more pass than we did all of last year.

The offense is clearly worse, but again you have to look at the schedule and also that we're missing our most important receiver and offensive lineman.

Also, why are we blaming Smith for this?  Schottenheimer's inability to get along with Smith was as much a factor as Smith's inability to get along with Schottenheimer.  Do you really think Turner was Smith's first choice?  He brought in Phillips to replace Schottenheimer.  This really all falls on Spanos imo.  He either should have fired Schottenheimer before we lost our in-house candidates (both for HC and coordinator positions) or he shouldn't have fired him at all.

Regardless of who coached this team, they weren't going to go 14-2 again.  At best they were going to go 12-4.  When I looked at the schedule, the numbers projected an 11-5 team (assuming no injuries).  Through ten games they have lost two games they were projected to win (KC &#38; @MIN) at the start of the season and won one they were projected to lose (@DEN).  They sit at 5-5 rather than the 6-4 they were projected for at this point.  Looking at the numbers, I think it's apparent that Minnesota was underrated and Denver was overrated, so the only loss that really bugs me is to Kansas City.

Looking at the remaining schedule, they really should beat Baltimore, Kansas City, Detroit, Denver and Oakland.  That would be 10-6 or one game below where they "should" end up.

Last year's Chargers were winless against top 10 teams (by DVOA).  This year's Chargers have one win against such a team.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-110569"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When comparing this year&#8217;s team and last year&#8217;s team, please pay attention to the difference in strength of schedule.  This year&#8217;s team is facing a top 10 schedule and last year&#8217;s team had the third easiest schedule.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re allowing the same Yards per Play as last year against this year&#8217;s more difficult schedule and we have forced the same number of fumbles and picked off one more pass than we did all of last year.</p>
<p>The offense is clearly worse, but again you have to look at the schedule and also that we&#8217;re missing our most important receiver and offensive lineman.</p>
<p>Also, why are we blaming Smith for this?  Schottenheimer&#8217;s inability to get along with Smith was as much a factor as Smith&#8217;s inability to get along with Schottenheimer.  Do you really think Turner was Smith&#8217;s first choice?  He brought in Phillips to replace Schottenheimer.  This really all falls on Spanos imo.  He either should have fired Schottenheimer before we lost our in-house candidates (both for HC and coordinator positions) or he shouldn&#8217;t have fired him at all.</p>
<p>Regardless of who coached this team, they weren&#8217;t going to go 14-2 again.  At best they were going to go 12-4.  When I looked at the schedule, the numbers projected an 11-5 team (assuming no injuries).  Through ten games they have lost two games they were projected to win (KC &amp; @MIN) at the start of the season and won one they were projected to lose (@DEN).  They sit at 5-5 rather than the 6-4 they were projected for at this point.  Looking at the numbers, I think it&#8217;s apparent that Minnesota was underrated and Denver was overrated, so the only loss that really bugs me is to Kansas City.</p>
<p>Looking at the remaining schedule, they really should beat Baltimore, Kansas City, Detroit, Denver and Oakland.  That would be 10-6 or one game below where they &#8220;should&#8221; end up.</p>
<p>Last year&#8217;s Chargers were winless against top 10 teams (by DVOA).  This year&#8217;s Chargers have one win against such a team.
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>21: Yes, they are trying to argue that. Richard even linked to footballoutsiders.com, which provides advanced metrics on such things. Did you go to those links?

20: If those rankings are for yardage given up, I'm not sure how relevant they are.

How about points give up? That's what decides game, right? Just like runs scored is more important than batting average or on-base percentage or OPS.

In 2006, the Chargers gave up 18.9 points a game. In 2007, 20.9 points a game. Pretty close.

In 2006, the Chargers scored 30.8 points a game. In 2007, 22.9 points a game. Sounds like the offense is what has changed.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-110492"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>21: Yes, they are trying to argue that. Richard even linked to footballoutsiders.com, which provides advanced metrics on such things. Did you go to those links?</p>
<p>20: If those rankings are for yardage given up, I&#8217;m not sure how relevant they are.</p>
<p>How about points give up? That&#8217;s what decides game, right? Just like runs scored is more important than batting average or on-base percentage or OPS.</p>
<p>In 2006, the Chargers gave up 18.9 points a game. In 2007, 20.9 points a game. Pretty close.</p>
<p>In 2006, the Chargers scored 30.8 points a game. In 2007, 22.9 points a game. Sounds like the offense is what has changed.
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not a fan of Marty, but it's pretty obvious he can win playoff games, because he has -- with other teams. Don't be so quick to make sweeping indictments.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-110478"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a fan of Marty, but it&#8217;s pretty obvious he can win playoff games, because he has &#8212; with other teams. Don&#8217;t be so quick to make sweeping indictments.
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		<title>By: Schlom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schlom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's pretty obvious that Marty couldn't win a playoff game.  In 2005 and 2007 he had far superior teams than his opponents and still managed to lose both in heart-breaking fashion -- I guess you could say it was bad luck but how many more chances is he going to get?  If you look at his career record you can easily see that he's a great regular season coach and a terrible postseason coach.  Now granted, that might be just a sample size issue but how many chances can you afford to give him?

I agree with Steve C., the real loss from the coaching staff wasn't Marty but Wade Phillips.  But he probably wasn't the long-term answer either so it's probably not a big deal in the long run that he's gone.

The Marty situation had parallels with the Bochy-Padre situation also -- Bochy was great in the regular season but didn't seem to be able to get it done in the playoffs.  In three of the four postseason appearances, the Padres look woefully unprepared (1996, 2005-2006).  They also looked terrible in the WS in 1998.  Granted, in some of those seasons they were the worse team (1998 WS, 2005) but that doesn't explain how they seemed to just roll over and get blown out.  Again, it goes back to people's expectations.  Is winning in the regular season enough?  Or do people want more?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-110355"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty obvious that Marty couldn&#8217;t win a playoff game.  In 2005 and 2007 he had far superior teams than his opponents and still managed to lose both in heart-breaking fashion &#8212; I guess you could say it was bad luck but how many more chances is he going to get?  If you look at his career record you can easily see that he&#8217;s a great regular season coach and a terrible postseason coach.  Now granted, that might be just a sample size issue but how many chances can you afford to give him?</p>
<p>I agree with Steve C., the real loss from the coaching staff wasn&#8217;t Marty but Wade Phillips.  But he probably wasn&#8217;t the long-term answer either so it&#8217;s probably not a big deal in the long run that he&#8217;s gone.</p>
<p>The Marty situation had parallels with the Bochy-Padre situation also &#8212; Bochy was great in the regular season but didn&#8217;t seem to be able to get it done in the playoffs.  In three of the four postseason appearances, the Padres look woefully unprepared (1996, 2005-2006).  They also looked terrible in the WS in 1998.  Granted, in some of those seasons they were the worse team (1998 WS, 2005) but that doesn&#8217;t explain how they seemed to just roll over and get blown out.  Again, it goes back to people&#8217;s expectations.  Is winning in the regular season enough?  Or do people want more?
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