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		<title>By: Introducing Pitch Count &#187; Crooked Pitch</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/10/first-projections-for-2008.html/comment-page-1#comment-94248</link>
		<dc:creator>Introducing Pitch Count &#187; Crooked Pitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] San Diego Padres blog, Ducksnorts, has already posted some 2008 MLB projections. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/10/first-projections-for-2008.html/comment-page-1#comment-94200</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re 11: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Re CF: It&#039;s a tough call due to Petco&#039;s defensive demands.  There absolutely must be a plus defender out there, and since there aren&#039;t that many available, you have to sacrifice some offense in most cases.

Personally, I would much rather have Cameron back than Hunter.  Hunter is an aging player as a defender and his rep is way overblown by &quot;Web Gems.&quot;  Offensively he&#039;s not any better than Cameron, unless you&#039;re going to let his &quot;contract year&quot; numbers fool you.  Granted he&#039;s younger, but he&#039;s going to be more expensive, and I&#039;ll guarantee (since it&#039;s the internet and won&#039;t cost me anything :-) ) someone will overpay for him.

Jones for a year would be awesome, but I don&#039;t see him as the sort of player who will be hurt by a sub-par season in his walk year.  Going into his age 31 season and with his track record, he&#039;s going to get paid and he&#039;s going to get a multi-year contract.

Crisp is intriguing.  For what it&#039;s worth, UZR from 2003 through part of 2007 has him as a great defender in LF, but essentially average in CF.  Chances are he&#039;d struggle a bit in Petco&#039;s CF, but he might have a good year.  A bit of a crapshoot defensively, most likely, with no offensive upside.  Depends on the economics if he&#039;s a better bet than Cameron.

What&#039;s Crisp&#039;s contract status?  I&#039;m having problems with COTS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 11: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz</p>
<p>Re CF: It&#8217;s a tough call due to Petco&#8217;s defensive demands.  There absolutely must be a plus defender out there, and since there aren&#8217;t that many available, you have to sacrifice some offense in most cases.</p>
<p>Personally, I would much rather have Cameron back than Hunter.  Hunter is an aging player as a defender and his rep is way overblown by &#8220;Web Gems.&#8221;  Offensively he&#8217;s not any better than Cameron, unless you&#8217;re going to let his &#8220;contract year&#8221; numbers fool you.  Granted he&#8217;s younger, but he&#8217;s going to be more expensive, and I&#8217;ll guarantee (since it&#8217;s the internet and won&#8217;t cost me anything <img src='http://ducksnorts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) someone will overpay for him.</p>
<p>Jones for a year would be awesome, but I don&#8217;t see him as the sort of player who will be hurt by a sub-par season in his walk year.  Going into his age 31 season and with his track record, he&#8217;s going to get paid and he&#8217;s going to get a multi-year contract.</p>
<p>Crisp is intriguing.  For what it&#8217;s worth, UZR from 2003 through part of 2007 has him as a great defender in LF, but essentially average in CF.  Chances are he&#8217;d struggle a bit in Petco&#8217;s CF, but he might have a good year.  A bit of a crapshoot defensively, most likely, with no offensive upside.  Depends on the economics if he&#8217;s a better bet than Cameron.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s Crisp&#8217;s contract status?  I&#8217;m having problems with COTS.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/10/first-projections-for-2008.html/comment-page-1#comment-94187</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: 29 4/55 is not that bad for hunter, its kind of like the 3/30 the Pads gave Giles.  The money is interesting because we really have no idea what the padres projected payroll will be in 2-3 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: 29 4/55 is not that bad for hunter, its kind of like the 3/30 the Pads gave Giles.  The money is interesting because we really have no idea what the padres projected payroll will be in 2-3 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Young</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/10/first-projections-for-2008.html/comment-page-1#comment-94183</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13: Silva&#039;s not a bad back-end option. If nothing else, the guy eats innings. Assuming he can avoid a repeat of &#039;06, which is always the danger with an extreme contact pitcher, he could be useful.

#28: John Beamer &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/eight-free-agents-for-2008/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recently projected&lt;/a&gt; that Andruw will go for 6/$85-90M, while Hunter will command around 4/$55M. Is anyone here comfortable with either of those numbers? Hunter is moving toward his decline phase, and his offense will probably take a hit at Petco, but if his defense is that good...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13: Silva&#8217;s not a bad back-end option. If nothing else, the guy eats innings. Assuming he can avoid a repeat of &#8216;06, which is always the danger with an extreme contact pitcher, he could be useful.</p>
<p>#28: John Beamer <a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/eight-free-agents-for-2008/" rel="nofollow">recently projected</a> that Andruw will go for 6/$85-90M, while Hunter will command around 4/$55M. Is anyone here comfortable with either of those numbers? Hunter is moving toward his decline phase, and his offense will probably take a hit at Petco, but if his defense is that good&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree we need defense more than anything in CF.  Of course, it&#039;s nice to have some kind of offensive contribution there as well.  

I&#039;ve heard that Boston plans to keep Crisp and Ellsbury as insurance against a JD Drew injury.  They can certainly afford to keep both and they&#039;ve shown they&#039;re willing to keep a guy even though it would be in their best interest to trade him (Wily Mo Pena).

For what it would cost to resign Cameron I&#039;d rather spend a little extra and get Hunter or Jones. 

13: I like Silva as well.  He doesn&#039;t strike anyone out but he doesn&#039;t walk anyone either and when he&#039;s been able to keep his HR rate down he&#039;s been effective.  He may not be exciting but he looks to be fairly consistent, which is what we need behind our big three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree we need defense more than anything in CF.  Of course, it&#8217;s nice to have some kind of offensive contribution there as well.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that Boston plans to keep Crisp and Ellsbury as insurance against a JD Drew injury.  They can certainly afford to keep both and they&#8217;ve shown they&#8217;re willing to keep a guy even though it would be in their best interest to trade him (Wily Mo Pena).</p>
<p>For what it would cost to resign Cameron I&#8217;d rather spend a little extra and get Hunter or Jones. </p>
<p>13: I like Silva as well.  He doesn&#8217;t strike anyone out but he doesn&#8217;t walk anyone either and when he&#8217;s been able to keep his HR rate down he&#8217;s been effective.  He may not be exciting but he looks to be fairly consistent, which is what we need behind our big three.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#26: Gotcha. The reason I ask is that, in studying the situation, I&#039;m coming to believe that center field in the NL West and in particular at Petco Park is a defense-first position. I&#039;d be willing to sacrifice some offense (specifically power) for a terrific defender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#26: Gotcha. The reason I ask is that, in studying the situation, I&#8217;m coming to believe that center field in the NL West and in particular at Petco Park is a defense-first position. I&#8217;d be willing to sacrifice some offense (specifically power) for a terrific defender.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>25:  Sorry, I wasn&#039;t suggesting Crisp is bad defensively; he was probably deserving of a gold glove this year.  I was just saying it&#039;s not a slam dunk that he&#039;s a great centerfielder that will make up for his lack of offense with incredible defense.  If he gives back a lot of the defensive improvements he made this year, then he&#039;s kind of a black hole.

Mainly I am trying to beat the &quot;bring back Mike Cameron&quot; drum incessantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>25:  Sorry, I wasn&#8217;t suggesting Crisp is bad defensively; he was probably deserving of a gold glove this year.  I was just saying it&#8217;s not a slam dunk that he&#8217;s a great centerfielder that will make up for his lack of offense with incredible defense.  If he gives back a lot of the defensive improvements he made this year, then he&#8217;s kind of a black hole.</p>
<p>Mainly I am trying to beat the &#8220;bring back Mike Cameron&#8221; drum incessantly.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5: Retrosheet rocks.

#8: Different era, indeed. Our best relievers in the &#039;70s (before Rollie Fingers) were guys like Gary Ross, Mike Corkins, Mike Caldwell, and Dave Tomlin. Yikes.

#10: Clark was overmatched in center, no doubt. That said, it&#039;s hard to retool an entire outfield with a week left in the season.

#11: I don&#039;t think anyone scapegoated Clark. He clearly was a stopgap solution. As for the uneasy feeling when Trevor comes in, that&#039;s been here for a while. We&#039;re used to it by now.

#24: Is Crisp that bad defensively? I haven&#039;t seen him play, but his numbers are decent. We&#039;ve been spoiled with Cameron, but I would be okay with a Jay Payton (2004) type guy next year. Tough though it may be to swallow, Crisp is actually one of the most appealing options out there right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5: Retrosheet rocks.</p>
<p>#8: Different era, indeed. Our best relievers in the &#8217;70s (before Rollie Fingers) were guys like Gary Ross, Mike Corkins, Mike Caldwell, and Dave Tomlin. Yikes.</p>
<p>#10: Clark was overmatched in center, no doubt. That said, it&#8217;s hard to retool an entire outfield with a week left in the season.</p>
<p>#11: I don&#8217;t think anyone scapegoated Clark. He clearly was a stopgap solution. As for the uneasy feeling when Trevor comes in, that&#8217;s been here for a while. We&#8217;re used to it by now.</p>
<p>#24: Is Crisp that bad defensively? I haven&#8217;t seen him play, but his numbers are decent. We&#8217;ve been spoiled with Cameron, but I would be okay with a Jay Payton (2004) type guy next year. Tough though it may be to swallow, Crisp is actually one of the most appealing options out there right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crisp is a pretty terrible hitter and up until this year was mentioned as a defensive liability in center.  I could see him as a last resort, but going from Cameron to Crisp downgrades this team by a couple of wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crisp is a pretty terrible hitter and up until this year was mentioned as a defensive liability in center.  I could see him as a last resort, but going from Cameron to Crisp downgrades this team by a couple of wins.</p>
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		<title>By: dylanc15</title>
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		<dc:creator>dylanc15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>headleys name gets thrown around a lot in trade rumors, but i think a david freese swap is much more likely, and yes i know im stating the obvious.  But maybe a freese + a drew miller type guy+ someone in the vein of kyle burke- for coco could get it done</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>headleys name gets thrown around a lot in trade rumors, but i think a david freese swap is much more likely, and yes i know im stating the obvious.  But maybe a freese + a drew miller type guy+ someone in the vein of kyle burke- for coco could get it done</p>
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