IGD: Padres @ Giants (24 Sep 07)
Mon, Sep 24, 2007
by Geoff Young
| time: | 7:15 p.m. PT |
| tv: | 4SD |
| sp: | Chris Young (9-7, 2.83) vs Barry Zito (9-13, 4.56) |
| pre: | Padres.com | B-R.com |
Sigh. Milton Bradley and Mike Cameron are out for the year.
Less nonsense and more winning, please. Go Padres!
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September 24, 2007 at 7:02 pm
I kind of agree with that GY. Less nonsense and less strikeouts.
September 24, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Cameron looked like he was playing hurt IMO. He was not running well on base and flinched on hard swings a few times last week. Did anyone else see that at the park Thursday? His batting #’s have been poor for two weeks.
September 24, 2007 at 7:09 pm
When did we find out that Cameron was out for the rest of the season?
September 24, 2007 at 7:22 pm
Marsh…..today. He may be OK for playoffs per Buddy Black……..
September 24, 2007 at 7:38 pm
I wonder how Black feels about Bradley’s season ending torn ACL. If I was Black, I would have let Milton clock that ump.
September 24, 2007 at 7:41 pm
#5…if that had happened Milton would never have played in MLB again. He was doing what he needed to do to protect his player.
September 24, 2007 at 7:43 pm
#5….yeah, instead of being injured and out he’d at least be getting revenge on the ump and out.
September 24, 2007 at 7:44 pm
I know Mark. I’m just venting after having just read today Sports Page.
September 24, 2007 at 7:44 pm
but yeah….like #6 says…..he’d be out of baseball forever………
September 24, 2007 at 7:46 pm
I have read a lot about it today and I agree that I would’ve loved to see him clock the ump (who I think deserved it) but he would’ve been out of baseball forever…..Buddy Black did what needed to be done to protect a guy who has an anger problem.
September 24, 2007 at 7:49 pm
OT: Any guesses as to who, if anybody, will pick up Barry Bonds next season?
September 24, 2007 at 7:58 pm
I’m sorry, but CY needs to shut it down if he’s not going to be effective. I hate it when athletes are “brave” and go out there banged up, but they wind up hurting the team… CY has been terrible for 6 weeks, and he keeps taking the ball every 5th day… be honest to Buddy, if you can’t be effective, then say so.
Of course, who the heck else do we trot out there in his place? I dunno, but CY is pissing me off.
September 24, 2007 at 8:07 pm
Two things are off with CY: (1) He’s not getting the long fly-outs that are customary when he’s dominating; and (2) He’s walking a ton of batters. Moreover, he’s been unable to strand runners.
Let’s hope he can get this together.
September 24, 2007 at 8:09 pm
This freaking sucks.
September 24, 2007 at 8:14 pm
CY’s getting squeezed. The 3-1 in the first Lewis at bat and now the 2-2 in that last at bat were definitely strikes. UGH!
September 24, 2007 at 8:17 pm
So, tied for the Wild Card with 6 games left….
September 24, 2007 at 8:21 pm
This seems like a good time to toss out an odd question. Does anyone think that the Padres will (or should) try to re-aquire Barfield in the off season? It seems risky given his performance with Cleveland, but he looked promising last year and he should be a cheap deal at this point. Just a thought since M.Giles will certainly not be back and I still don’t see Blum as an everyday guy.
September 24, 2007 at 8:21 pm
Save the bullpen Buddy. Let Germano eat innings, even if he’s getting shelled.
Wave the white flag tonight, save your bullets for the last 6 games of the year.
Ps. CY shouldn’t get another start, he’s be atrocious since the oblique strain.
September 24, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Man, this is depressing. I really thought that this was the start that CY was going to dominate again. The offense throws two runs on the board and before the all-star break, that was enough. Well, let’s hope that this turns out to be an offensive battle. In fact, if the bats get going tonight and rescue this game, then that could be just the spark needed to get us to the postseason.
September 24, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Wow, this really sucks.
Happy to see we got Jason Lane at least. I was thinking he’d be a good buy low candidate for quite some time.
September 24, 2007 at 8:23 pm
18: His last two starts were far from atrocious. Tonight he’s getting killed by bloop singles (although he should stop walking people). And we have nobody else that can possibly pitch decently available to take his place.
September 24, 2007 at 8:23 pm
18: Wow, contrast your comments with mine. Um, for one of us, the glass is definitely half-empty…..
September 24, 2007 at 8:24 pm
Tough couple of days for SD sports. The good news: The Chargers are not the Saints….
September 24, 2007 at 8:25 pm
I think CY’s dominating days are over
September 24, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Yet, this one isn’t over yet. Giants bullpen is atrocious - pray for Randy Messenger, Dan Giese, or Steve Kline to see action tonight.
September 24, 2007 at 8:27 pm
We just may sqeak into the playoffs still. I still like CY.
September 24, 2007 at 8:28 pm
24: Holy Shit! What a really aggravating comment! Dude, come on, get real. You think CY won’t pull it back together? That an oblique strain was seemingly some kind of arm problem?? Get real, man, CY’s going to rebound fine. Clearly he might need some time off in order to do so, but I still hold out hope that he’ll get it together for his next start…
September 24, 2007 at 8:28 pm
We need to chip away here little by little…
September 24, 2007 at 8:29 pm
having said that I love we win 7 in a row then lose 4 at least in a row
September 24, 2007 at 8:30 pm
A two run homer for Hairston would put us back in this game.
September 24, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Boy, it would be nice for OG to study some tape from the Cincy series….
September 24, 2007 at 8:30 pm
I’d settle for a base hit.
September 24, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Hairston just missed last time up…..
September 24, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Bunting there with CY … On the surface, I don’t really like that move … would have gone to a pinch hitter. I mean, unless you think Young is going to go 6-7 innings, I don’t really see the point there. I don’t know.
September 24, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Lets go Kouz…
September 24, 2007 at 8:36 pm
I am soooo glad it wasn’t KT who gave Zito that riddiculous contract…
September 24, 2007 at 8:45 pm
It certainly seems like we’ve got a tough climb if we’re gonna make it in at this point.
September 24, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Way to go Bard…
September 24, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Stranger things have happened but I don’t see how they can make the playoffs. They only have one reliable pitcher in Peavy and possibly Tomko. Young is done (for this season, I’m sure he’ll bounce back fine next season), Maddux has been awful, and I don’t think Cassel is any good.
However, all that being said, worse teams than them have made the World Series and actually won it (St. Louis and Detroit last season, the Yankees in 1999). The problem is that they need to win a few games to make the playoffs.
September 24, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Tomko is a ticking bomb, plus there will be at least 1 more Germano/Cassel/whoever start, and Maddux hasn’t been too hot lately. Think Peavy is willing to do a 1 man rotation?
September 24, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Why is Blum starting over Marcus Giles tonight?
September 24, 2007 at 8:55 pm
#41 Because Marcus is really bad.
September 24, 2007 at 8:57 pm
42: But, he’s a righty and he’s hitting something like .425 since he’s back from the DL….oh, and he’s a better defender than Blum…
September 24, 2007 at 9:01 pm
Blum and Marcus have been platooning lately so I was wondering why Giles didn’t get the start tonight against the left-handed Zito (who actually doesn’t have much of a platoon split).
September 24, 2007 at 9:05 pm
Of course K.T is not flawless.
He probably could have got a second baseman in Iguchi or Luis Castillo for a fair price but passed.
Had chances at Jayson Werth or Jack Cust but instead chose Jose Cruz Jr. and Termel Sledge. Too much faith or perhaps wishful thinking was put into Sledge while -none- was put into Cust who is 3 years younger and having quite a year.
Also, at the end of the day, we are at least a starting pitcher short, relying on a clean Shawn Estes rehab as that extra backup does not constitute the fortification needed.
September 24, 2007 at 9:10 pm
I mean, yes, fine, give Marcus the start…I don’t care. It really doesn’t matter all that much….we have a hole again at second base. Antonelli ain’t ready yet, I promise you. We need an answer next year at that position and I’ll be damned if we have to see Blummer starting at second. Please no. I want him on the roster if he hits his usual .254 but not on a everyday basis ever again.
September 24, 2007 at 9:12 pm
Cust was never an option on this team as he can only play 1B and he’s not better than Gonzalez.
I agree that picking up Castillo or Iguchi would have been a good move but we don’t know what the Twins and the White Sox were asking for them. Obviously KT thought the asking price was more than he wanted to give up — and I think we have to give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to trades.
As far as the pitching goes, the injury to CY (and to Hensley and possibly Maddux, at least he’s pitching like he’s injured) killed the team. With a healthy CY (0-4 in 8 starts since he got injured in Colorado, the team is 2-6) the Padres would be at least tied for the NL West lead.
September 24, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Cust is having a near All Star year, on that basis I would say that even as a butcher he can play left defensively. Especially when you consider what Sledge has done this year. Let me ask you, why even have Cust at Portland soaking up 600 at bats over 1.25 years if you have NO PLAN on ever using him ?
September 24, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Cust was way to challenged defensively to ever play in the SD OF. No way, no how was it ever going to happen.
September 24, 2007 at 9:40 pm
Sledge is a better outfielder than Cust but not by much. You like Sledge’s year with the stick enough to make the difference over sticking Cust in left and having him hit 20+ bombs ?
September 24, 2007 at 9:41 pm
So what stage are you at:
Denial
Anger
Depression
Bargaining
Acceptance
I fully expected to make the playoffs at the beginning of the year, but it’s time to reset expectations. I’m now praying / hoping to make the playoffs.
I suppose that’s bargaining….
September 24, 2007 at 9:45 pm
#51 Denial. Total Denial.
Giants looked hungry tonight as they have been recently embarrassed by the Pads and Bochy probably gave them a pep talk from the heart. Think they want to smack around the scrub Tomko tomorrow who somehow shut them down last week ? You bet. Cain vs. Tomko. Doesn’t look good… Lets hope the Phillies/Mets hit the skids and the Dodgers step it up against the Rox.
September 24, 2007 at 9:48 pm
We will need a minor miracle over the weekend as well. Looking forward to Cassel vs. Sheets.
September 24, 2007 at 10:07 pm
I’m not look forwarding to this offseason either. Too worried they are going to simply plug holes with “buy low” types.
September 24, 2007 at 10:14 pm
51: I think after tonight I’m at acceptance. I fully expect Tomko to get blown out of the water tomorrow, followed by a great Peavy start, where the Padres get no hit. Of course this will be followed by an offseason of the FO trying to hype Sledge again as the answer in left. And to think I already bought season tickets for next season.
September 24, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Acceptance, that it could still happen but not the way they are playing right now. If the Atl can fend off philly, maybe, but as this just said on ESPN, everything that can go wrong for the Padres has gone wrong. To me, off season should be a retooling looking for offense. Rf, C, Lf, and 2nd need fresh blood, guys that can hit. But it aint’ over yet:)
September 24, 2007 at 11:38 pm
As long as we are still tied, I will still be in denial. The Pads are all we have right now since Norv’s Chargers are not off to such a hot start. Right now, the Pads still have a chance no matter how bleak things are looking. But I am sure that Cain will one hit us tomorrow after the Phils will have already won by 7pm. Then I think I will be fast approaching depression, realizing that a team with one effective rotation member, one and a half hitters and 2/3 of an OF consisting of Brady Clark and Scott Hairston will not be going anywhere in the playoffs.
September 25, 2007 at 12:25 am
Fortunately for us, in a six game sample size there is almost no difference between Hairston and Bradley and Clark and Cameron. The replacements are just about as capable of the regulars as getting hot for the remaining games. Any pitcher can get really lucky for a start or two and have all the hard hit balls find gloves. Whether or not we make the playoffs is basically a coinflip at this stage. Let’s get lucky!
September 25, 2007 at 3:38 am
We just got Jason Lane
http://sandiego.padres.mlb.com.....mp;c_id=sd
September 25, 2007 at 3:44 am
I’m late on that link — sorry guys. I should have known it was old news!
September 25, 2007 at 8:48 am
27: I am not saying he wont be effective anymore, I just think part of this is injury and part of it is the league figuring him out. Its been nearly 2 months now so if he isnt healthy enought to pitch he shouldnt be pitching. I dont think anyone is baseball throws a straighter fastball than CY. When he gets healthy the walks will go down, but I dont think he is going to be the same.