Comments on: Wednesday Open Thread (1 Aug 07)

By: xztheericzx

xztheericzx — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:37:16 +0000

i'm eric. joining a couple boards and looking forward to participating. hehe unless i get too distracted! eric

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By: Tom Waits

Tom Waits — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:15:59 +0000

54: What bulge are you talking about? I’ve stated multiple times that I’m not comparing their opening day (reported) vs their current payroll. They’ve added to their opening day payroll more than anyone in the division. Are you claiming that their actual opening day payroll was 10-15 million more than anyone else says it was? Because that’s the claim that would need substantiation. You can count all the buyouts, incentives, and deferred payments you want, it’s not 10M dollar. Unless you’re using Padre Draft Budget Math.

Their payroll at the end of the season is likely to be around 68 million. Stipulated. Done. Not what I was talking about it. On opening day they were not carrying this massive load beyond the 58M reported in multiple places. The extra money they were legally obligated to pay beyond that 58M was in line with what a lot of clubs pay nearly every year.

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By: Steve C

Steve C — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:36:19 +0000

XX reporting padres send down Thatcher and Stauffer

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By: The Fathers

The Fathers — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:35:00 +0000

52: I respect your opinion, TW, now I would like to see if it can be substantiated with a decent sample. Do a similar analysis for comparable payroll teams, not just the Diamondbacks. The Padres' bulge is substantial. It can go anywhere from $10-15 million. Do other comparable teams have similar bulges? I would imagine you are right for a team like the Diamondbacks now that I think about it - Schilling/Johnson etc deferred money, but it still would be interesting to see the numbers.

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By: balla

balla — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:06:13 +0000

I'm also fine with Blum platooning, seeing as Marcus is off the roids and therefore unable to produce

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By: Tom Waits

Tom Waits — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:49:22 +0000

50: I’m not claiming anything in regard to initial vs final payrolls. I’m only talking opening day versus opening day. There was not a massive, hidden bulge of payroll stuck underneath the Padres shirts. Whatever bulge there was is pretty comparable to other teams. The 750K buyout for Piazza (and 500K for Klesko) are garden-variety; Cruz had a 300K buyout paid by the Dodgers. B Molina was paid 500K to go away by the Blue Jays. And so on and so forth.

Same thing with deferred payroll. The Dbacks, for example, have gigantic deferred player payouts. Huge. Tony Gwynn’s 600K, which we’ve probably been carrying in a tax-friendly form since he retired, is peanuts compared to what Arizona owes people.

Adding up the salaries of the players who were on the opening day roster, I get around 53.5 million. Cots includes pro-rated signing bonuses. That includes players who aren’t on the team now but were on opening day. It seems quite possible that Walker’s 900K buyout is in there, but even if it’s not, it’s not a big sum. And again, you can’t count it as a guarantee. If it was, why fight the case?

Just to be clear, I’m not the one claiming we had a 50M payroll. It was close to 58 million on opening day, and if it was more because of buyouts, it’s not unlike the rise of many other teams. It’s gone up since then, which nobody disputes. But the Padres did not have this extraordinary lump of payroll-like obligations that nobody else did.

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By: dabeef

dabeef — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:48:42 +0000

Who will be September call ups?

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By: The Fathers

The Fathers — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:22:24 +0000

I am just interested in accuracy here TW, so if your claims regarding other teams are correct, it might help if you calculated the initial versus total player payroll of comparable teams like the Rockies and the Diamondbacks, and show them to us. Before seeing them, my best guess is that the delta between initial and final payroll will be much bigger for the Padres than those teams. I don’t recall the Dodgers adding anything significant this year, except DL callups, and the Giants, if anything, dumped salary when they traded Morris, right?

On to the rest, the initial salary figures reported to AP by MLB for the Padres was 58,110,567 or 58,235,567. These numbers you can find at USA Today’s salary database or links to the AP article. If you go to the Padres 2007 figures on the USA Today site, you will not see Todd Walker listed. He was released before the 25 man roster was set. Also, the AP report says it is payroll figures are from the Opening Day roster, and Todd Walker obviously wasn’t on it. I will stand by my view that Walker’s release money was not counted in the initial published figures.

As far as option buyouts go, there were several - Mike Piazza, Ryan Klesko, and Rudy Seanez. Two players were paid after being released before the season, the aforementioned Walker and the much less remembered Scott Strickland. Tony Gwynn actually got his lump sum of 600k this year.

Hope this clears some things up.

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By: Tom Waits

Tom Waits — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:11:28 +0000

47, 48: The bereavement list is an easy way to move a player off the 25 man roster without losing him for 15 days. It's been used for non-scary/sad situations before. Haven't heard anything about problems with the Linebrinks. Hoffman sounds like he needs to go on the bereavement list.

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