Comments on: Parsing Peavy http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html Blogging the San Diego Padres baseball club. Established 1997. Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:25:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Webb vs the Brewers and Other Games for a Wednesday http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html/comment-page-2#comment-72406 Webb vs the Brewers and Other Games for a Wednesday Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:04:23 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html#comment-72406 [...] to put Tuesday’s late-inning meltdown behind them. Ace Jake Peavy makes his first start since making controversial comments about his future. His former teammate, Brian Lawrence, gets the call for New York. Lawrence has [...]<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-72406">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> [...] to put Tuesday’s late-inning meltdown behind them. Ace Jake Peavy makes his first start since making controversial comments about his future. His former teammate, Brian Lawrence, gets the call for New York. Lawrence has [...]

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]]> By: Sam http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html/comment-page-2#comment-71842 Sam Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:28:39 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html#comment-71842 another point that i dont think anyone has mentioned is our flood of potential minor leaguers in AA etc. If they pan out, thats x amount of guys playing without major league salaries for at least several years. antonelli, headley, etc. etc.. I mean heck, if it means we can keep jake, i'd trade gonzales away for prospects and stick burke (assuming he stays on track) at first. Thats pretty much what the rockies are doing with helton's salary on the books.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-71842">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> another point that i dont think anyone has mentioned is our flood of potential minor leaguers in AA etc. If they pan out, thats x amount of guys playing without major league salaries for at least several years. antonelli, headley, etc. etc.. I mean heck, if it means we can keep jake, i’d trade gonzales away for prospects and stick burke (assuming he stays on track) at first. Thats pretty much what the rockies are doing with helton’s salary on the books.

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]]> By: Rich Campbell http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html/comment-page-2#comment-71827 Rich Campbell Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:58:04 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html#comment-71827 I think the Padres will make a play for an extension on Jake. I think they will offer a five year deal that includes buying out 2009 (essentially a four year extension) and will max out between 15-16 million a year. Will Jake take that deal? I don't know... Can he get more? ABSOLUTELY. "The Boss" in NY is achin' to make Jake a $100M for five years offer...<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-71827">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> I think the Padres will make a play for an extension on Jake. I think they will offer a five year deal that includes buying out 2009 (essentially a four year extension) and will max out between 15-16 million a year.

Will Jake take that deal? I don’t know… Can he get more? ABSOLUTELY. “The Boss” in NY is achin’ to make Jake a $100M for five years offer…

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]]> By: Stephen http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html/comment-page-2#comment-71822 Stephen Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:04:05 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html#comment-71822 87: That was nice of Sandy not to point out the caller's all but certain error that the Padres had a $90 million payroll in 1998. A scan of baseball-reference.com. certainly wouldn't back up that figure.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-71822">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 87: That was nice of Sandy not to point out the caller’s all but certain error that the Padres had a $90 million payroll in 1998. A scan of baseball-reference.com. certainly wouldn’t back up that figure.

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]]> By: Geoff Young http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html/comment-page-2#comment-71820 Geoff Young Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:43:40 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html#comment-71820 This afternoon on XX, Sandy Alderson talked about Peavy's comments, among other things. Gaslamp has a nice recap: http://www.gaslampball.com/story/2007/8/20/21521/5163<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-71820">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> This afternoon on XX, Sandy Alderson talked about Peavy’s comments, among other things. Gaslamp has a nice recap:

http://www.gaslampball.com/sto.....21521/5163

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]]> By: Geoff Young http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html/comment-page-2#comment-71794 Geoff Young Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:05:02 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html#comment-71794 #85: Gennaro doesn't provide numbers for the Angels but he puts the White Sox revenue increase due to their '05 WS victory at $46 million.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-71794">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #85: Gennaro doesn’t provide numbers for the Angels but he puts the White Sox revenue increase due to their ‘05 WS victory at $46 million.

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]]> By: Tom Waits http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html/comment-page-2#comment-71791 Tom Waits Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:55:14 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html#comment-71791 84: It may increase value, but how much does it increase revenue? Teams generally get a bump from the playoffs and the bump is bigger the deeper they go, but the Angels did not suddenly grab 50+ million in revenue as a result of the WS. A lot of their revenue increase can also be attributed to Moreno's successful marketing plan. If the WS was really such a huge revenue boost, the team would be better able to deal with the later years of a contract that helped them get there. Serious investing, if you're not going to go after big free agents, might be 8+ years of Matt Harvey or Rick Porcello. It might be signing Toledo, Colon, and Green (last year) for a little more than you wanted so you'd have trade depth in the minors.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-71791">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 84: It may increase value, but how much does it increase revenue? Teams generally get a bump from the playoffs and the bump is bigger the deeper they go, but the Angels did not suddenly grab 50+ million in revenue as a result of the WS. A lot of their revenue increase can also be attributed to Moreno’s successful marketing plan.

If the WS was really such a huge revenue boost, the team would be better able to deal with the later years of a contract that helped them get there.

Serious investing, if you’re not going to go after big free agents, might be 8+ years of Matt Harvey or Rick Porcello. It might be signing Toledo, Colon, and Green (last year) for a little more than you wanted so you’d have trade depth in the minors.

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]]> By: Geoff Young http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html/comment-page-2#comment-71776 Geoff Young Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:26:42 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html#comment-71776 #71: Sure, I don't doubt Moreno's role. The point remains that a WS victory increases a franchise's value by a lot. See Chapter 3 of Vince Gennaro's <em>Diamond Dollars</em> for a detailed discussion. As for going "full-bore," I agree as long as it doesn't hamstring the organization's ability to compete into the future. To use a recent example, if the Padres had signed Zito, it would have been met with great enthusiasm by fans but diminished our chances of remaining competitive going forward. Then the front office would get to spend the next several years trying to find someone to take him off their hands. What represents "serious investing" -- seven years of Zito, six of Carlos Lee, five of J.D. Drew or Gil Meche, three of Jason Schmidt, two of Greg Maddux? Or maybe trading for Milton Bradley during the season? I dunno...<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-71776">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #71: Sure, I don’t doubt Moreno’s role. The point remains that a WS victory increases a franchise’s value by a lot. See Chapter 3 of Vince Gennaro’s Diamond Dollars for a detailed discussion.

As for going “full-bore,” I agree as long as it doesn’t hamstring the organization’s ability to compete into the future. To use a recent example, if the Padres had signed Zito, it would have been met with great enthusiasm by fans but diminished our chances of remaining competitive going forward. Then the front office would get to spend the next several years trying to find someone to take him off their hands.

What represents “serious investing” — seven years of Zito, six of Carlos Lee, five of J.D. Drew or Gil Meche, three of Jason Schmidt, two of Greg Maddux? Or maybe trading for Milton Bradley during the season? I dunno…

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]]> By: The Fathers http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html/comment-page-2#comment-71771 The Fathers Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:20:34 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html#comment-71771 Re 60: A lot of players would like to play in San Diego, but here are the dispositive questions: Which team has more available resources to sign free agents like Vlad Guerrero: the Angels or the Padres? Even if both owners decided to whip out their wallets to see whose was bigger, who is wealthier, Arte Moreno or John Moores? If you honestly think the Padres had a legitimate chance at signing Vlad Guerrero once the Angels got involved, you need a perspective reorientation back towards objectivity.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-71771">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Re 60: A lot of players would like to play in San Diego, but here are the dispositive questions: Which team has more available resources to sign free agents like Vlad Guerrero: the Angels or the Padres? Even if both owners decided to whip out their wallets to see whose was bigger, who is wealthier, Arte Moreno or John Moores?

If you honestly think the Padres had a legitimate chance at signing Vlad Guerrero once the Angels got involved, you need a perspective reorientation back towards objectivity.

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]]> By: KRS1 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html/comment-page-2#comment-71730 KRS1 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:20:25 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/parsing-peavy.html#comment-71730 Rosenthal does make a good point basically what a few of you guys were saying last week about the Tigers spending less for all those guys than the Phils did on Adam Eaton!<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-71730">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Rosenthal does make a good point basically what a few of you guys were saying last week about the Tigers spending less for all those guys than the Phils did on Adam Eaton!

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