Comments on: Bonds and the Giants Are Not San Diego’s Team http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html Blogging the San Diego Padres baseball club. Established 1997. Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:35:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Pat http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-68124 Pat Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:53:05 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-68124 Peter and Geoff, thanks for adding the excellent minor league coverage to DS! DS is the best place for Padres baseball, imo, and adding the great minor league analysis being provided by Peter has made it that much better.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-68124">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Peter and Geoff, thanks for adding the excellent minor league coverage to DS! DS is the best place for Padres baseball, imo, and adding the great minor league analysis being provided by Peter has made it that much better.

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]]> By: Pat http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-68123 Pat Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:51:15 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-68123 RE 36 & Wells: Don't be fooled by the obese Wells who has been around for many years now. Once upon a time David was a fine athlete; he just found a niche where he could survive, and even excel, without maintaining the high level of connditioning normally associated with being a top athlete.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-68123">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> RE 36 & Wells: Don’t be fooled by the obese Wells who has been around for many years now. Once upon a time David was a fine athlete; he just found a niche where he could survive, and even excel, without maintaining the high level of connditioning normally associated with being a top athlete.

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]]> By: Ben B. http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-68090 Ben B. Thu, 09 Aug 2007 03:33:11 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-68090 The 1997 Giants are another: -9 runs (80-82 Pythagorean), finished 90-72. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SFG/1997.shtml<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-68090">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> The 1997 Giants are another: -9 runs (80-82 Pythagorean), finished 90-72.

http://www.baseball-reference......1997.shtml

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]]> By: Geoff Young http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-68025 Geoff Young Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:47:20 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-68025 #44: Can't remember the other teams; they're in my notes for the book somewhere. I know that the '94 Rangers led the AL West and had a -84 differential when MLB cancelled the season.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-68025">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #44: Can’t remember the other teams; they’re in my notes for the book somewhere. I know that the ‘94 Rangers led the AL West and had a -84 differential when MLB cancelled the season.

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]]> By: Kevin http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67999 Kevin Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:32:47 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67999 Well done. Maybe that's because the Twins had a couple very good starters and little after that in the rotation. Blyleven, Viola and, I believe, Les Straker was the No. 3 guy in the playoffs. What are the other teams?<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-67999">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Well done. Maybe that’s because the Twins had a couple very good starters and little after that in the rotation. Blyleven, Viola and, I believe, Les Straker was the No. 3 guy in the playoffs.

What are the other teams?

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]]> By: Geoff Young http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67998 Geoff Young Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:20:00 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67998 #42: Five teams have taken their division with a negative run differential. The '87 Twins won it all despite being outscored by 20 runs during the regular season: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MIN/1987.shtml<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-67998">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #42: Five teams have taken their division with a negative run differential. The ‘87 Twins won it all despite being outscored by 20 runs during the regular season:

http://www.baseball-reference......1987.shtml

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]]> By: Kevin http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67996 Kevin Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:15:14 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67996 I agree completely. Another team like the Yankees is the Cubs. Their run differential was great all year. And now they are fighting for first. I think there has been one team to win a division with a negative run differential, but I'm not sure if that's true or which team it was.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-67996">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> I agree completely. Another team like the Yankees is the Cubs. Their run differential was great all year. And now they are fighting for first.

I think there has been one team to win a division with a negative run differential, but I’m not sure if that’s true or which team it was.

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]]> By: David http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67995 David Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:09:07 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67995 #36 What tends to happen is that the Pythagorean standings (run differential) "catches up" to teams as the season progresses. Witness the Yankees - their RDs were always terrific this season, so it was just a matter of time before they were back in the thick of things, and they are - 5 games out as of today. Very rarely - and maybe never, as I don't have the means right now to do an in depth analysis - does a team win a pennant while being outscored by its opponents by 40 runs.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-67995">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #36
What tends to happen is that the Pythagorean standings (run differential) “catches up” to teams as the season progresses. Witness the Yankees - their RDs were always terrific this season, so it was just a matter of time before they were back in the thick of things, and they are - 5 games out as of today.
Very rarely - and maybe never, as I don’t have the means right now to do an in depth analysis - does a team win a pennant while being outscored by its opponents by 40 runs.

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]]> By: Chris http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67992 Chris Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:01:00 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67992 I can't complain about the U-T's coverage, let alone be disgusted by it. Geoff said it himself - there are 50 games left. The Bonds story isn't as big as it could've been, but it's still huge. Glavine's now #21 in career wins. I don't expect front-page coverage until he passes the immortal Mickey Welch or Old Hoss Radbourn next season. :)<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-67992">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> I can’t complain about the U-T’s coverage, let alone be disgusted by it. Geoff said it himself - there are 50 games left. The Bonds story isn’t as big as it could’ve been, but it’s still huge. Glavine’s now #21 in career wins. I don’t expect front-page coverage until he passes the immortal Mickey Welch or Old Hoss Radbourn next season. :)

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]]> By: Kevin http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67989 Kevin Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:41:41 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/08/bonds-and-the-giants-are-not-san-diegos-team.html#comment-67989 36: I agree that Pythagorean stadings are often more important than the real ones, until the season is over, that is. Even then, they Pythagorean standings can help examine a team's season. I keep the Pythagorean stadings in a spreadsheet and update them after Sunday's games. The Red Sox are consistently No. 1 now, and the Yankees are No. 2. The Padres were consistently third in July. Now they are about sixth overall.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-67989">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 36:

I agree that Pythagorean stadings are often more important than the real ones, until the season is over, that is. Even then, they Pythagorean standings can help examine a team’s season.

I keep the Pythagorean stadings in a spreadsheet and update them after Sunday’s games. The Red Sox are consistently No. 1 now, and the Yankees are No. 2. The Padres were consistently third in July. Now they are about sixth overall.

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