IGD: Padres vs Phillies (19 Jul 07)
Thu, Jul 19, 2007
by Geoff Young
| time: | 7:05 p.m. PT |
| tv: | 4SD |
| sp: | Chris Young (8-3, 1.97) vs Cole Hamels (11-4, 3.83) |
| pre: | Padres.com, SI.com |
In 2002, the Padres were believed to be interested in local southpaw Cole Hamels with their first pick (#13 overall). Of course, they passed on Hamels (as well as Scott Kazmir) and instead selected Clemson shortstop Khalil Greene. At the time, I was less than enthusiastic about the pick:
I’m not overly thrilled at the selection of Greene when guys like Hamels, [Bobby] Brownlie, and Scott Kazmir were available. For one thing, there’s talk that his future is at second base, which has become an area of relative strength in the organization. For another, he’s a college senior who is a full year older than Sean Burroughs. I hope I’m wrong but I can’t help but think of Kevin Nicholson when I see this pick.
I’m happy to report five years later that I was wrong and that Greene has been the most productive player to come out of the 2002 draft’s first round so far:
| Player | 2003 | 2004 | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Stats are through games of July 8, 2007, and are courtesy of Hardball Times and Baseball Graphs. | ||||||
| Khalil Greene, SD (13th pick) | 1 | 21 | 17 | 13 | 10 | 62 |
| Nick Swisher, Oak (16th) | - | 1 | 12 | 22 | 11 | 46 |
| Jeff Francoeur, Atl (23rd) | - | - | 13 | 16 | 12 | 41 |
| Mark Teahen, Oak (39th) | - | - | 10 | 19 | 10 | 39 |
| Joe Blanton, Oak (24th) | - | 0 | 14 | 10 | 11 | 35 |
| Prince Fielder, Mil (7th) | - | - | 2 | 17 | 15 | 34 |
| Scott Kazmir, NYN (15th) | - | 1 | 13 | 14 | 5 | 33 |
| Jeff Francis, Col (9th) | - | 2 | 6 | 13 | 9 | 30 |
| Matt Cain, SF (25th) | - | - | 5 | 12 | 6 | 23 |
| B.J. Upton, TB (2nd) | - | 4 | - | 2 | 12 | 18 |
| Cole Hamels, Phi (17th) | - | - | - | 8 | 10 | 18 |
Nice draft by Oakland, eh? Incidentally, the White Sox nabbed left-hander Royce Ring with the pick just after Hamels.
Go Padres!
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July 19, 2007 at 6:22 pm
How odd that second base seemed like a position of strength then. It’s now a position that we most need an upgrade at and it’s filled by a free agent. Was Jake Geautreau still thought of as a possible 2nd basemen of the future when Khalil was drafted?
July 19, 2007 at 6:28 pm
This is OT (btw, love the Khalil love) but what the hell ever happened to Brady Clark? I know he was DFA’s by the Dodgers. Did we not make a waiver claim?
July 19, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Ah yes, the “Moneyball” draft. Maybe Alderson and/or DePodesta can answer your question.
July 19, 2007 at 6:33 pm
2: I don’t think that we made a waiver claim.
July 19, 2007 at 6:39 pm
It’s kind of funny that the Moneyball draft is generally believed to be something of a failure for the A’s.
July 19, 2007 at 6:49 pm
#1: Gautreau, Josh Barfield, and Bernie Castro all were in the minors, and Ramon Vazquez looked like a potential option at the big-league level.
#5: A lot of beliefs about Moneyball are kind of funny…
July 19, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Ironically, I don’t think we could trade Khalil for any of the players on that list. Maybe Teahen, but he was also traded for Carlos Beltran, the Sox won’t even trade Dye for Khalil straight up.
July 19, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Did Hamels throw his changeup that inning? Gameday has two offspeed pitches but they look more like curves than changeups, and they were to lefties.
July 19, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Nice play by OG.
July 19, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Three pop ups after two innings. 23 total pitches thrown by Hamels. Not a great offensive start. Hamels is a very good pitcher though.
July 19, 2007 at 7:39 pm
#10: Yeah, pitchers duel tonight.
July 19, 2007 at 7:42 pm
Weirdly, 5 IP, no hits for either side (especially not for the Padres, because Cole Hamels is no-hitting them, that’s right, he has a no-hitter going) yet no K’s in the game either. And both teams strike out a bunch, and both pitchers typically strike out a bunch of guys.
July 19, 2007 at 7:46 pm
WTF? Silent L trying to redeem himself for a crappy first half season?
July 19, 2007 at 7:46 pm
Geoff Blum is on FIRE. Makes Hamels throw 8 pitches and even singles. I was even ready to declare it a moral victory when he extended Hamels past five pitches.
July 19, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Crazy first inning over at Dodger stadium including 8 runs. 6-2 lead by the Mets, helped out by Jeff Kent getting thrown out at third with one out by Shawn Green trying to go from first to third on a single.
July 19, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Way to go OG!!!
July 19, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Monopoly just landed on ‘Go Directly To Jail.’ Well, at least we go one run out of this inning.
July 19, 2007 at 8:00 pm
17: At least he didnt strike out
July 19, 2007 at 8:04 pm
CY can’t throw his breaking ball for a strike at all tonight.
July 19, 2007 at 8:04 pm
This just in: It’s easy to steal on Padre pitchers.
July 19, 2007 at 8:06 pm
At the beginning of the season, didn’t we have the option of trading Linebrink for Rowand? Man. What would our team look like then. To quote Seargent Weinberg, I’d take that trade every day of the week, and twice on Sundays.
July 19, 2007 at 8:09 pm
Rowand is having a ridiculous career year. He had an OPS+ of 87 last year and of 93 two years ago. This offensive explosion is pretty much out of nowhere. Linebrink’s decline has also been pretty catastrophic and mostly out of nowhere. It was a good decision not to make that deal at the time.
Now, the Linebrink trade that I really want to a do-over on is the one that had us sending Linebrink to New York for Oliver Perez and Heath Bell last year. That one looks pretty awesome in hindsight too.
July 19, 2007 at 8:15 pm
22: I understand, but good scouts/GMs (not me) would hopefully be able to anticipate such things, e.g., “Soon, the league is going to adjust to Linebrink, or he is going to lessen his effectiveness.” Or, “Rowand has talent, and he should do better.” I’m not saying I knew those things at all, but I’d hope that our scouts could…
July 19, 2007 at 8:19 pm
23: I see your point on Linebrink. His K rate has been declining, and he was less effective last year. There were some warning signs. But with Rowand, the guy is 30 years old and has a pretty significant track record. Oliver Perez and Heath Bell would also have been guys that you would trust scouts’ words on instead of recent results.
July 19, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Yikes. 63 pitches for Hamels through 5. That’s better than Maddux last night.
July 19, 2007 at 8:23 pm
24: Didn’t realize Rowand was that old…
July 19, 2007 at 8:25 pm
#21: I like Andrew Brown for Bradley even better.
July 19, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Well that was a decidedly less crisp outing than his last one against Arizona, but CY gets the job done.
July 19, 2007 at 8:42 pm
The Dodgers-Mets game is just whipping along. 9-6 Mets after three innings, and both Lowe and Glavine are gone from the game. Glavine left with the bases loaded and no outs in the third with the score 9-5, so he couldn’t finish five innings for his 299th win despite 9 runs of support.
July 19, 2007 at 8:42 pm
The Ryan Howard at-bat was epic. He fouled off five pitches there.
July 19, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Our at bats have been decidedly less epic. Hamels at 72 pitches through 6.
July 19, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Let me rescind post 28, as CY is still out there throwing despite entering the 7th with 105 pitches.
July 19, 2007 at 8:49 pm
And that was a very crisp seventh for CY. Nice job.
July 19, 2007 at 8:50 pm
That inning sure made the outing look a lot crisper. Good work by CY to come out for that inning and good call by Black to have faith in him against the bottom of the order.
July 19, 2007 at 8:57 pm
any chance we dont see linebrink in the 8th?
July 19, 2007 at 9:01 pm
There is a chance… Bell in the 8th, thats refreshing
July 19, 2007 at 9:03 pm
Adrian flashing some leather. Wow.
July 19, 2007 at 9:03 pm
thats a Gold Glove play there. Nice stab Gonzo!
July 19, 2007 at 9:05 pm
Bell threw some dirttty pitches to Victorino and he still gets a hit.
July 19, 2007 at 9:07 pm
Any chance Victorino (former Padre) doesn’t steal here?
July 19, 2007 at 9:09 pm
Sure. Bell isn’t as bad as CY at holding runners, and you absolutely do not want to be thrown out with Utley at the plate.
July 19, 2007 at 9:11 pm
All right. An insurance run would be nice here with Howard leading off the 9th.
July 19, 2007 at 9:11 pm
Nice inning by Bell, good to see Buddy finally not use Linebrink. You can only “get him right back out there” for so long. At some point you gotta manage to win.
July 19, 2007 at 9:11 pm
Well, clearly Bell thinks he’s gonna try.
July 19, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Ugly AB by Kouz
July 19, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Blum doesnt want Marcus to have his job back.
July 19, 2007 at 9:21 pm
Brian has got to realize that with 2 outs, and especially 2 strikes, a hit is worth much more than a walk and swing the bat
July 19, 2007 at 9:22 pm
47: Not necessarily in that situation, since a single doesn’t score the runner and a walk advances him into scoring position.
July 19, 2007 at 9:25 pm
48: true, but he was looking for the walk that entire at bat. there are some at bats where he just wont even lift the bat off the shoulder. A hit gets hime to 3rd or possibly scores him on an XBH with 2 outs.
Classsssic Hoff right there
July 19, 2007 at 9:25 pm
Got Howard looking on change.
Death.
July 19, 2007 at 9:27 pm
What happened to his control? The fastballs to Howard were perfectly placed, and now he’s missing badly.
July 19, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Swing at a ball in the dirt on a change up.
Taxes.
July 19, 2007 at 9:32 pm
Wow. Throwing the changeup 3-2. Nasty.
July 19, 2007 at 9:32 pm
Wow, another 3 hit win… This was a fun one to watch though. 2 great starters and the right calls in the ‘pen along with 1 timely hit.
July 19, 2007 at 9:32 pm
Made the last guy look really silly.
Save No. 509.
Hoffman.
July 19, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Nice. Three K’s, on three changeups.
July 19, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Trevor is just amazing. He wasn’t locating well tonight, and he still struck out the side to seal the deal. That 3-2 change in the dirt to Dobbs was pure balls. Fun win.
July 19, 2007 at 9:35 pm
We have good pitching.
July 19, 2007 at 9:35 pm
I love 1-0 wins, especially those capped off by Hoffman striking guys out on changeups.
There were 7 total hits in this game. There were 8 total hits before the fourth out was recorded in the Dodger-Met game.
July 19, 2007 at 9:53 pm
Bard is now serving his suspension, which has been reduced to 2 games. Blum is the emergency catcher. Now, I’m not wishing for Barrett to get hurt, or for Blum to spend any time behind the plate during an important situation, but it would be pretty funny to see Blum behind the plate for the last inning of a blowout win tomorrow as Barrett sits on the bench not seriously injured.
http://sandiego.padres.mlb.com.....mp;c_id=sd
July 19, 2007 at 10:17 pm
How crazy is this stat.. Chris Young has gotten 12 runs in nine home starts, with 6 runs coming in one game. He’s also won 5 games this year that are 1-0.
I’d like to see any other pitcher in baseball who could be 9-3 with that kind of run support. Besides that 1 game, the Pads are averaging .75 run per CY outing!