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		<title>By: Batt Mush</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/06/nothing-night.html/comment-page-3#comment-57068</link>
		<dc:creator>Batt Mush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kouz has actually been terrible at 3B so far according to Dewan's Mid-June +/- rankings.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/printarticle/d-fence/

While Dunn would certainly help our offense, he's a big liability in the field and I'm more of an advocate for bringing in a guy with more of an equal average/power balance.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-57068"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kouz has actually been terrible at 3B so far according to Dewan&#8217;s Mid-June +/- rankings.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/printarticle/d-fence/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....e/d-fence/</a></p>
<p>While Dunn would certainly help our offense, he&#8217;s a big liability in the field and I&#8217;m more of an advocate for bringing in a guy with more of an equal average/power balance.
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		<title>By: Didi</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/06/nothing-night.html/comment-page-3#comment-57042</link>
		<dc:creator>Didi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100: Might want to clear up that Batt Mush is referring to Matt Bush the pitcher, not the "short stop". It's a new era, man.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-57042"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100: Might want to clear up that Batt Mush is referring to Matt Bush the pitcher, not the &#8220;short stop&#8221;. It&#8217;s a new era, man.
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		<title>By: Geoff Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#93 - 95: Batt Mush is now in the glossary, which has been added to the side navigation:

http://ducksnorts.com/blog/glossary/&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-56770"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#93 - 95: Batt Mush is now in the glossary, which has been added to the side navigation:</p>
<p><a href="http://ducksnorts.com/blog/glossary/" rel="nofollow">http://ducksnorts.com/blog/glossary/</a>
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		<title>By: LynchMob</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/06/nothing-night.html/comment-page-2#comment-56766</link>
		<dc:creator>LynchMob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>95/97 ... I can't tell if this is subscriber-only ...

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4721

Three True Outcomes, 2005 ... I'm not finding such a summary for last year ... but if you look at this, you'll see why many of us like Adam Dunn ...&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-56766"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>95/97 &#8230; I can&#8217;t tell if this is subscriber-only &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4721" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballprospectus......cleid=4721</a></p>
<p>Three True Outcomes, 2005 &#8230; I&#8217;m not finding such a summary for last year &#8230; but if you look at this, you&#8217;ll see why many of us like Adam Dunn &#8230;
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		<title>By: The Fathers</title>
		<link>http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/06/nothing-night.html/comment-page-2#comment-56765</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re 53:  Thank you very much.  It took me quite a while to learn and understand concepts like operating income and EBITDA, and I am glad to see that I have not screwed it up.  I too have had my understanding of these principles and their application confirmed by many accountants.

It also does not surprise me that TW does not have any factual argument directly on point, and while I do agree with him that generally MLB has a lot to answer for financially in terms of how they and particular teams account for things, such generality has limited specific relevance to a Padres team that has real interest expenses on a real stadium debt, that does not own its local media, and that does not have as many accounting tricks at hand as some other teams.  

About the only thing that general criticisms of MLB and specifically justified criticism about teams like the Yankees mean in regards to considering the Padres' finances is that we should be wary of general claims that the team is actually losing a lot of real money on a yearly basis at Petco, and we should be wary of such claims at least as long as the general revenue sources keep coming in strong and local attendance remains high.  In the case of hypothetical inflated loss claims absent a downturn, we could reasonably suspect that the team is making use of accounting gimmicks like accelerated depreciation or amortization or recharacterization of owner contributions, so as to turn a real  small loss/break even/ small profit into a substantial "paper" loss.  So far, there have been no such claims at Petco, but this is something that my accountant friends have told me to be on the lookout for.

There were such claims at Qualcomm, but even the Forbes numbers substantiate most of those claims, because most of the runup years to Petco show operating losses, which would be amplified greatly if the stadium debt loan interest was included.

However, since no team makes their financial records public, we can either (a) rely as best we can upon independent sources like Forbes or (b) blindly either accept the numbers the Padres give us or reject them out of some sort of bias one way or the other.  I choose (a) for now.  :)&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-56765"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 53:  Thank you very much.  It took me quite a while to learn and understand concepts like operating income and EBITDA, and I am glad to see that I have not screwed it up.  I too have had my understanding of these principles and their application confirmed by many accountants.</p>
<p>It also does not surprise me that TW does not have any factual argument directly on point, and while I do agree with him that generally MLB has a lot to answer for financially in terms of how they and particular teams account for things, such generality has limited specific relevance to a Padres team that has real interest expenses on a real stadium debt, that does not own its local media, and that does not have as many accounting tricks at hand as some other teams.  </p>
<p>About the only thing that general criticisms of MLB and specifically justified criticism about teams like the Yankees mean in regards to considering the Padres&#8217; finances is that we should be wary of general claims that the team is actually losing a lot of real money on a yearly basis at Petco, and we should be wary of such claims at least as long as the general revenue sources keep coming in strong and local attendance remains high.  In the case of hypothetical inflated loss claims absent a downturn, we could reasonably suspect that the team is making use of accounting gimmicks like accelerated depreciation or amortization or recharacterization of owner contributions, so as to turn a real  small loss/break even/ small profit into a substantial &#8220;paper&#8221; loss.  So far, there have been no such claims at Petco, but this is something that my accountant friends have told me to be on the lookout for.</p>
<p>There were such claims at Qualcomm, but even the Forbes numbers substantiate most of those claims, because most of the runup years to Petco show operating losses, which would be amplified greatly if the stadium debt loan interest was included.</p>
<p>However, since no team makes their financial records public, we can either (a) rely as best we can upon independent sources like Forbes or (b) blindly either accept the numbers the Padres give us or reject them out of some sort of bias one way or the other.  I choose (a) for now.  <img src='http://ducksnorts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Ben B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>95:  That would be three true outcomes (i.e. at bat outcomes involving only the pitcher and hitter, thus baseball distilled to its true essence).&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-56763"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>95:  That would be three true outcomes (i.e. at bat outcomes involving only the pitcher and hitter, thus baseball distilled to its true essence).
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		<title>By: Rain Delay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rain Delay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>89: Works for me...lol Where do people come up with names like that? I figure a dart board at the seedy tavern in said home town.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-56761"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>89: Works for me&#8230;lol Where do people come up with names like that? I figure a dart board at the seedy tavern in said home town.
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		<title>By: Sean Callahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Where's the link to the glossary?  It's not anywhere in the navigation....

2) If it's not in there already, add TTO while you're adding Batt Mush, because, while I know it has something to do with striking out, walking or homering every time, it would be nice to remember what it actually stands for....&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-56759"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Where&#8217;s the link to the glossary?  It&#8217;s not anywhere in the navigation&#8230;.</p>
<p>2) If it&#8217;s not in there already, add TTO while you&#8217;re adding Batt Mush, because, while I know it has something to do with striking out, walking or homering every time, it would be nice to remember what it actually stands for&#8230;.
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		<title>By: Didi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Didi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>86, 93: Excellent. I nominate Batt Mush into the DS glossary. This is brilliant, the Padres' own version of the anti-Costanza.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-56757"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>86, 93: Excellent. I nominate Batt Mush into the DS glossary. This is brilliant, the Padres&#8217; own version of the anti-Costanza.
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		<title>By: LaMar</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaMar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#86 and #89:  Does it get to the glossary?  That's been my goal is to get something on the DS glossary.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-56753"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#86 and #89:  Does it get to the glossary?  That&#8217;s been my goal is to get something on the DS glossary.
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