IGD: Padres @ Giants (27 Jun 07)
Wed, Jun 27, 2007
by Geoff Young
| time: | 12:35 p.m. PT |
| tv: | none |
| sp: | Greg Maddux (6-4, 3.84) vs Matt Cain (2-8, 3.46) |
| pre: | Padres.com, SI.com |
How did David Wells and Greg Maddux end up back-to-back in the rotation again? I thought we agreed that the bullpen can’t afford that. The good news is that the Padres are off Thursday, so it shouldn’t hurt much this time. Still, not the best idea.
Like Wells, Maddux gets pounded once he reaches the sixth inning (.314/.338/.629 in 70 AB) or 76 pitches (.313/.368/.594 in 32 AB). Start getting those arms loose, and go Padres!
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June 27, 2007 at 11:39 am
I believe Wells and Maddux ended up back to back so that the Padres could strategically drop the appeal Chris Young’s suspension at a time when it won’t require them to call up another starter or use someone like Justin Hampson in an emergency start role, but I am not sure that is the case.
June 27, 2007 at 11:41 am
GY, could you show the Padres performance against Cain at AT&T vs. Petco? For some reason, I think we stand a better chance at San Fran.
June 27, 2007 at 11:47 am
#2: Small samples, but he pretty much kills us either way:
@ AT&T: 27.2 IP, 2.28 ERA
http://tinyurl.com/yrenzn
@ Petco: 18.1 IP, 1.47 ERA
http://tinyurl.com/22rtug
June 27, 2007 at 11:56 am
3: Gulp. Thanks for posting this. Let’s hope the Pads reclaim some of their daytime magic and that we get some more longballs from our boys.
June 27, 2007 at 11:57 am
The Padres sent Chase Headley back to San Antonio today, and have Mike Thompson here in SF at the ready.
June 27, 2007 at 12:00 pm
Barry is not in the Giants lineup
June 27, 2007 at 12:02 pm
6: Well, that’ll help. Nobody else on that team is too scary. Cain better hold us to less than 2 runs or I think we take this one.
June 27, 2007 at 12:04 pm
That would be too hard for Cain against our lineup.
June 27, 2007 at 12:05 pm
Padres lineup:
M. Giles
J. Cruz
A. Gonzalez
M. Cameron
M. Barrett
K. Greene
T. Sledge
K. Kouzmanoff
G. Maddux
June 27, 2007 at 12:15 pm
GY … thanks for link on luck … http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....run-games/ … in previous comment thread I questioned this statement …
the best teams still win one-run games more often than other teams
… and my interpretation of the graph that this statement is based upon is that good teams win fewer one-run games than non-one-run games … and bad teams win more one-run games than non-one-run games … ex. a .600 team will only win 55% of one-run games while a .400 team will win 45% … and that’s because the noise/randomness/luck in any one game is pretty wide … regressing all teams to the mean (.500).
So, my point is that if one wants to know if a team is “good” or not, it’s better to look at results of non-close games … that’s one of the reasons for me thinking that the 2007 Padres are a good team.
June 27, 2007 at 12:33 pm
10. Looking at the other end of the spectrum, the Padres are 15-6 in games decided by margins or 5 runs or more this season.
June 27, 2007 at 12:34 pm
That stat demonstrates that the Padres can pound the opposition far more often than being the victim of a pounding.
June 27, 2007 at 12:35 pm
I’m lookin for Barrett and Greene to each go deep today in the day. Let’s hope a couple men are on for each of them when they do.
June 27, 2007 at 12:38 pm
I’m not sure how much of John Miller on XM I’m gonna be able to take…
June 27, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Ugh, not a good start.
June 27, 2007 at 12:42 pm
Can we stop putting two of our worst hitters at the top of the lineup now? Not that lineup construction matters much at all. I hope OG coming back doesn’t make Cruz the starter in left, and instead the plattoon is continued.
June 27, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Ugh, what is it with Maddux not getting the calls he’s supposed to? I swear, in like each of the last three starts, Maddux has not gotten the calls he’s supposed tol.
June 27, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Sounds like that was a great play by Kouz and exactly what we needed there.
June 27, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Well, at least we got out of it thanks to Molina firing a bullet right at
Kouz.
June 27, 2007 at 12:54 pm
C’mon guys, stop hacking first pitch.
June 27, 2007 at 12:55 pm
Let’s at least make Cain throw more than 10 pitches an inning, mmmk?
June 27, 2007 at 12:55 pm
Hmm, so my prediction didn’t come through first time around. Mark my words, we’ll get you yet Cain ::shakes fist menacingly::
June 27, 2007 at 12:58 pm
What’s really impressive about this team and the lack of contact is not how often they strike out but few pitches they see in doing so. Beckett finished 8 innings while striking out 8. Guthrie went 8, striking out 9. Bedard easily could have gone 8 but got pulled cause he was injured. Matsuzaka was the exception but only because he had no control whatsoever. Cain has 3 k’s in 2 innings with a whopping 21 total pitches.
June 27, 2007 at 12:59 pm
Ugh, a HR to Feliz? C’mon Maddux. You can’t pull that crap.
June 27, 2007 at 12:59 pm
What a sad lineup!
Crudge in left and Sleuz in right make the worst corner outfield duo above A ball.
June 27, 2007 at 1:01 pm
25: Not true. I’m sure our AAA and AA corner outfielders are much worse. High A, on the other hand, has Huffman and Giles at the corners, so they might be better.
June 27, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Sledge is a fine hitter against RHP.
June 27, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Nice work Maddux!
June 27, 2007 at 1:07 pm
I do not know, I would rather have P-Mac and Sinisi (AAA). I admitt, AA might be a push.
Just as I wrote 25 Sleuz got a hit.
June 27, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Marcus needs to get a hit this series
June 27, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Ugh, I’m on a conference call with intermittent radio access. This is killing me!
June 27, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Damnit! That right there is an example of bad luck
June 27, 2007 at 1:09 pm
29: No way i take that combo over Crudge
June 27, 2007 at 1:10 pm
I cant get into this “luck thing”
June 27, 2007 at 1:11 pm
#28: Maddux faked bunt and, swinging away, chopped one over the head of Feliz at third. That was sweet.
#32: Yep. NOG smoked the ball.
June 27, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Did NOG hit that hard and Feliz just happened to glove it? I can’t tell from the description.
June 27, 2007 at 1:12 pm
35: Thanks, Geoff.
June 27, 2007 at 1:13 pm
Conference calls during baseball games = not so much fun.
June 27, 2007 at 1:16 pm
Whoa, Ryno just missed that one.
June 27, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Wow, Barrett swung at two pitches low for the K. Were they good pitches or he was just bad?
June 27, 2007 at 1:29 pm
And the curse of the clutch K strikes again.
June 27, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Let’s go, Padres! Score some runs.
June 27, 2007 at 1:37 pm
BEEEYAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
June 27, 2007 at 1:38 pm
That was CRUSHED!!!!!!!!!!
June 27, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Man why can’t KG hit like this all the time?
June 27, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Khalil crushed that ball.
June 27, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Yeay! Greene goes yard!! More runs, please.
June 27, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Phantom called it …
June 27, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Wow. That was two quick outs on 3 pitches. Cain’s pitches must look hittable this inning.
June 27, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Of course Khalil jacks one when I’m in the bathroom! How gone was it? A no-doubter?
June 27, 2007 at 1:41 pm
48: I’m halfway there. Barrett still needs to pick me up.
June 27, 2007 at 1:42 pm
What the heck? Maddux saw as many pitches in that inning as the three batters ahead of him. It’s a good thing that Greene crushed that ball. The Padres are not wearing out Matt Cain at all.
June 27, 2007 at 1:42 pm
Last 7 runs scored by the Padres via the home run . . . Cameron 3-run shot Monday, 3 solos last night, Greene’s solo today
June 27, 2007 at 1:43 pm
45: He hits like this when it’s warm. I think historically, he has excelled in day games. He was on one of these tears last year when he got hurt. I’d love to see what Khalil can do healthy for a complete summer.
Was that number 13 for Khalil? Unreal that he’s almost to his career high before the ASG.
June 27, 2007 at 1:45 pm
Khalil’s OBP is still pretty far below .300. So no more homers, Khalil, go up there and walk.
June 27, 2007 at 1:47 pm
54. For Greene’s career: 24 HR in 140 day games (counting today)
36 HR in 331 night games
June 27, 2007 at 1:47 pm
55: His OBP may be low, but what is he slugging right now?
June 27, 2007 at 1:47 pm
55: Uh, yeah. Walks are much more valuable than home runs. What?
June 27, 2007 at 1:49 pm
He was slugging .479 going into today’s game.
June 27, 2007 at 1:49 pm
I’m calling a home run for Kouz today. He sounds like he’s having a hell of a game with the glove and a “Kouz Missle” would be phenominal!!!
June 27, 2007 at 1:50 pm
C’mon guys, sarcasm. It’s a serious complaint, but it’s ridiculous for me to be complaining now when he’s going 1-4 every night but homering.
June 27, 2007 at 1:52 pm
This season, he is slugging .493 in day games, .403 at night.
He is slugging .483 on the road, .450 at home.
He slugged .529 in April, .326 in May. He is slugging .548 in June, .607 in the last seven days.
June 27, 2007 at 1:52 pm
61: lol, sorry. It’s a defense mechanism I’ve developed over the many years of being a Khalil fan. He’s often greatly underrated for what he brings to this team and inconsistent as he is, he is an asset.
June 27, 2007 at 1:53 pm
56.
Are you suggesting we get brighter lights and a heater installed under the dirt between 2nd and 3rd at PETCO? I mean if we make it feel like it’s 1:05pm even though it’s 7:05pm do you think Khalil might play like it was? With those numbers it sounds worth looking in to! hahaha
June 27, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Wow, John Miller is really clever. The Pads are now apparently the Ipods. Wonderful
June 27, 2007 at 1:56 pm
re: 62, etc.
I actually wrote that backwards. He is slugging .403 in the day and .493 at night. He is hitting better at night.
June 27, 2007 at 1:57 pm
10: hmmmmmmmm…. toss out any stats you like, but in my opinion, championship teams are those that are able to (1) win close games and (2) come from behind. Crushing teams is great; but it’s unrealistic in October…..
June 27, 2007 at 1:59 pm
It sounds like as much as Maddux has worn off on Jake, some of Jake has rubbed off on Maddux.
June 27, 2007 at 2:00 pm
C’mon Maddux, stop it right here.
June 27, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Thru 6 …
Pitches-strikes - G Maddux 81-54; M Cain 78-55.
Ground balls-fly balls - G Maddux 9-6; M Cain 3-8.
Batters faced - G Maddux 24; M Cain 21.
… nice duel!
June 27, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Maddux is done now, right?
June 27, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Let’s go Padres! Come on, guys. Score some runs!
Bullpen better be getting ready.
June 27, 2007 at 2:06 pm
Alright Barrett, I called it earlier. It’s time for you to pick me up.
June 27, 2007 at 2:06 pm
67: It’s gonna be hard to have the discussion if you’re not going to look at the numbers.’
Generally, a championship team is a good team, and a good team will win close games and be able to come from behind. It’s a little hard to figure because there’s only 1 true championship team every year. The 98 Padres were a very good team, but not technically champions.
A bad team can still do well in 1 run games. The 1999 Padres were rough on the eyes, but 28-25 in one run affairs.
June 27, 2007 at 2:07 pm
Ok, well that will work. Get another one Khalil.
June 27, 2007 at 2:08 pm
lol, there’s your walk Ben.
June 27, 2007 at 2:09 pm
There’s your walk, Greene. He heard you, Ben B.
June 27, 2007 at 2:10 pm
#55: Dude, nice call.
June 27, 2007 at 2:10 pm
67 … well said … and I wonder if there are more “close games” in the post-season than the regular season?
That just reminds me that it does seems like some teams (A’s are classic example, Yankees seem to be an example recently (ie. last 7 years), even Padres seem like a very recent example (ie. last 2 years) have figured out how win during the season … enough games to make the playoffs … but then not have the “it” that it takes to win the “championship” …
Is it predictable that a team will be good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to win the World Series? I don’t think so …
Asked another way … how do you build a team that will win close games? … how do you build a team that comes from behind? I don’t think anyone knows how to do that …
June 27, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Nice work Sludge. Well done.
June 27, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Damnit, Terrmel.
June 27, 2007 at 2:12 pm
Sorry, guys. Khalil, you can go back to hitting home runs now that you proved you can take a walk.
June 27, 2007 at 2:13 pm
82: Way to saddle him with that guilt, Ben. Jeez.
June 27, 2007 at 2:14 pm
79: The IT is a fleeting beast. The Yankees had IT in 2001 until the last inning of the last game of the WS.
I’ve had enough DPs this season, thank you.
June 27, 2007 at 2:16 pm
I’ve had enough Terrmel this season, thank you.
June 27, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Um, why is Maddux still pitching?
June 27, 2007 at 2:17 pm
84 … ya … what’s the difference between “fleeting beast” and “luck”?
June 27, 2007 at 2:17 pm
86 … because the 7/8/9 hitters were due up?
June 27, 2007 at 2:17 pm
OK, so NOW Maddux is done, right?
June 27, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Okay, Padres. Cain at 95 pitches already. Go get them runs!!
June 27, 2007 at 2:18 pm
88: When I want a logical response LynchMob, I’ll ask for one!
June 27, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Thru 7 …
Pitches-strikes - G Maddux 94-63; M Cain 95-66.
Ground balls-fly balls - G Maddux 11-6; M Cain 5-9.
Batters faced - G Maddux 27; M Cain 25.
… yup, Maddux is done now … he’ll be PH’d for … due up 2nd this inning … which is another fact that could/should have been included in comment #88 …
June 27, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Maddux is done. Branyan on deck after Kouz.
June 27, 2007 at 2:19 pm
91 … $logicoff … as you wish …
June 27, 2007 at 2:19 pm
Padres with an even 50 quality starts this season now.
June 27, 2007 at 2:20 pm
85: He’s still an 800 OPS hitter against righties. That was bad timing.
June 27, 2007 at 2:20 pm
No swinging first pitch guys. It’s late and he’s struggling with location.
June 27, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Let’s go Russell!
June 27, 2007 at 2:22 pm
87: The only harnessing power I have ever known was ‘team chemistry’. Of course, everyone says that they have it, but who knows..getting along is different than believing in each other and supporting each other, but still all might have more “correlational ” relaionships with “IT” than “causal”….
damn I hate how Matt Cain shuts us down.
June 27, 2007 at 2:23 pm
There is no such thing as “it.” If there was, “it” would have a better name.
Good teams win close games and come from behind and other impressive things because they are good. Teams with good to great bullpens have a better chance of winning close games in today’s game.
June 27, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Doc broke the wrong way on NOG’s double.
June 27, 2007 at 2:24 pm
All I saw was the ball get by Doc, but not what happened afterwards… should NOG have gotten further around the bases?
June 27, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Booyah!
June 27, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Yeay! Jomel came through.
June 27, 2007 at 2:27 pm
El Hombre! Let’s go. Hit one out.
June 27, 2007 at 2:27 pm
#102: No, Schierholz got over there in a hurry.
June 27, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Heath Bell up and ready in the pen
June 27, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Nice work Cruz! C’mon Adrian!
June 27, 2007 at 2:29 pm