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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>56:

As for "And if you are talking about High A ball and below, you are talking about these guys typically not arriving as productive major league pitchers for anywhere from 2-4 years. By then, the Padres can revamp and turn things around on the starting pitching front, particularly with how well they do with trades, and if they can get Latos to sign.", that's a pretty serious change of points. Now you're not saying that other teams don't have top pitching prospects or that we do have them, but that we shouldn't be concerned because we can fix things before then. The Padres drafted better in 2005 and 2006, but still not all that well. Drafted a lot of pitchability kids. Passed on a lot of high upside types.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-44706"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>56:</p>
<p>As for &#8220;And if you are talking about High A ball and below, you are talking about these guys typically not arriving as productive major league pitchers for anywhere from 2-4 years. By then, the Padres can revamp and turn things around on the starting pitching front, particularly with how well they do with trades, and if they can get Latos to sign.&#8221;, that&#8217;s a pretty serious change of points. Now you&#8217;re not saying that other teams don&#8217;t have top pitching prospects or that we do have them, but that we shouldn&#8217;t be concerned because we can fix things before then. The Padres drafted better in 2005 and 2006, but still not all that well. Drafted a lot of pitchability kids. Passed on a lot of high upside types.
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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 17:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>56: Was there any requirement that the pitchers be at a certain level? We were talking about pitchers who have the upside of a 1-2 starter. The Dodgers drafted two of them with their first two picks last year. I also don't recall writing that I felt 9 K's per 9 was the cutoff point. Our problem is that we don't have pitchers averaging even 7 for their careers. 

But let's change the parameters and look just at AA and above. Six players have started at least 1 game for their AA team in Jacksonville. Only one of them doesn't have a K/9 rate higher than 7. Another one is Eric Cyr, who we can say is no longer a prospect even though if he was a Padre some people would be talking about how "a guy might just need time to find himself." Scott Elbert has 24 K's in 14 innings. I think that counts. 

Micah Owings of the Dbacks represents a possible 1-2. Can reach 97. Drafted in 2005, already in the majors, 137 K's in 167 minor league innings. They also have Dustin Nippert, top-end stuff, 130 Ks in 140 AAA innings last year. He's with the big club too but both he and Owings are still prospects. 

The Rockies have Franklin Morales. 8.5 K's per 9 so far in AA, 179 K's in 154 innings last year. A legitimate ace prospect.  

SF has Lincecum and Jonathan Sanchez, who struck out more than 1 per 9 last year in the minors.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-44704"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>56: Was there any requirement that the pitchers be at a certain level? We were talking about pitchers who have the upside of a 1-2 starter. The Dodgers drafted two of them with their first two picks last year. I also don&#8217;t recall writing that I felt 9 K&#8217;s per 9 was the cutoff point. Our problem is that we don&#8217;t have pitchers averaging even 7 for their careers. </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s change the parameters and look just at AA and above. Six players have started at least 1 game for their AA team in Jacksonville. Only one of them doesn&#8217;t have a K/9 rate higher than 7. Another one is Eric Cyr, who we can say is no longer a prospect even though if he was a Padre some people would be talking about how &#8220;a guy might just need time to find himself.&#8221; Scott Elbert has 24 K&#8217;s in 14 innings. I think that counts. </p>
<p>Micah Owings of the Dbacks represents a possible 1-2. Can reach 97. Drafted in 2005, already in the majors, 137 K&#8217;s in 167 minor league innings. They also have Dustin Nippert, top-end stuff, 130 Ks in 140 AAA innings last year. He&#8217;s with the big club too but both he and Owings are still prospects. </p>
<p>The Rockies have Franklin Morales. 8.5 K&#8217;s per 9 so far in AA, 179 K&#8217;s in 154 innings last year. A legitimate ace prospect.  </p>
<p>SF has Lincecum and Jonathan Sanchez, who struck out more than 1 per 9 last year in the minors.
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		<title>By: The Fathers</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re 47:

"Every NL West team but us has at least one pitching prospect who profiles as a 1-2. Linceum may be the only Giant, but the other teams have multiple. The Dodgers have more than anybody. They won’t all get there, but at least they have them."

Maybe you can say that about High A and below, but I don't think you can honestly say that about the Dodgers' or Diamondbacks AAA and AA teams.  I don't know much about the Rockies system, but only BK Kim has a 9+ K/9 ratio going right now among starters at AA or above.  Only Tim Linecum profiles as your ideal above-average starter.

And if you are talking about High A ball and below, you are talking about these guys typically not arriving as productive major league pitchers for anywhere from 2-4 years.  By then, the Padres can revamp and turn things around on the starting pitching front, particularly with how well they do with trades, and if they can get Latos to sign.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-44697"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 47:</p>
<p>&#8220;Every NL West team but us has at least one pitching prospect who profiles as a 1-2. Linceum may be the only Giant, but the other teams have multiple. The Dodgers have more than anybody. They won’t all get there, but at least they have them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe you can say that about High A and below, but I don&#8217;t think you can honestly say that about the Dodgers&#8217; or Diamondbacks AAA and AA teams.  I don&#8217;t know much about the Rockies system, but only BK Kim has a 9+ K/9 ratio going right now among starters at AA or above.  Only Tim Linecum profiles as your ideal above-average starter.</p>
<p>And if you are talking about High A ball and below, you are talking about these guys typically not arriving as productive major league pitchers for anywhere from 2-4 years.  By then, the Padres can revamp and turn things around on the starting pitching front, particularly with how well they do with trades, and if they can get Latos to sign.
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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>54: Yeah, I was more going for the "older minor league hitter having an unnaturally hot start of the year." 

I can't see a situation in which they drop Blum. They were in a big hurry to sign him last winter. Don't like it, but as long as 3 of our 5 starters are routinely going 6 or fewer innings, they're going to keep the bully loaded up. That means the bench stays weak and thin.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-44692"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>54: Yeah, I was more going for the &#8220;older minor league hitter having an unnaturally hot start of the year.&#8221; </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see a situation in which they drop Blum. They were in a big hurry to sign him last winter. Don&#8217;t like it, but as long as 3 of our 5 starters are routinely going 6 or fewer innings, they&#8217;re going to keep the bully loaded up. That means the bench stays weak and thin.
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		<title>By: LynchMob</title>
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		<dc:creator>LynchMob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 01:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>51 ... that could be a decent comp ... but as much as I know about Stansberry is that he's a better glove man than Leone was.  Getting a direct comment from someone like SandyA on why Blum over Stansberry on the current roster would be very interesting ...&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-44557"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>51 &#8230; that could be a decent comp &#8230; but as much as I know about Stansberry is that he&#8217;s a better glove man than Leone was.  Getting a direct comment from someone like SandyA on why Blum over Stansberry on the current roster would be very interesting &#8230;
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		<title>By: LynchMob</title>
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		<dc:creator>LynchMob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 01:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar link for Headley ... http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=452104&#38;tm=SanTEX&#38;bp=b ... hmm, I'd forgotten he's a switch-hitter ... I like it!&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-44554"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar link for Headley &#8230; <a href="http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=452104&amp;tm=SanTEX&amp;bp=b" rel="nofollow">http://www.minorleaguesplits.c.....X&amp;bp=b</a> &#8230; hmm, I&#8217;d forgotten he&#8217;s a switch-hitter &#8230; I like it!
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		<title>By: LynchMob</title>
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		<dc:creator>LynchMob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 01:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>50 ... oops, minor difference, one might say :-)

Here's Michael Johnson's splits ... http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=435460&#38;tm=SanTEX&#38;bp=b ... and he's about to turn 27 ... can't say I'm optimistic ... just hopeful ...&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-44553"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50 &#8230; oops, minor difference, one might say <img src='http://ducksnorts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s Michael Johnson&#8217;s splits &#8230; <a href="http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=435460&amp;tm=SanTEX&amp;bp=b" rel="nofollow">http://www.minorleaguesplits.c.....X&amp;bp=b</a> &#8230; and he&#8217;s about to turn 27 &#8230; can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m optimistic &#8230; just hopeful &#8230;
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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 01:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Stansberry this year's Leone or a legitimate player? It wouldn't be that hard to make the bench better if we weren't so loaded with pitchers and catchers. Send Bowen down, bring Cust up. Trade Blum, bring up Stansberry.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-44552"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Stansberry this year&#8217;s Leone or a legitimate player? It wouldn&#8217;t be that hard to make the bench better if we weren&#8217;t so loaded with pitchers and catchers. Send Bowen down, bring Cust up. Trade Blum, bring up Stansberry.
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		<title>By: Tom Waits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Waits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 01:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>48: Michael Johnson. If Mike Thompson could hit like that he'd be a tremendous asset, 12th pitcher, LH pinch-hitter. 

Very good numbers for him so far, but he's on pace for about 140 strikeouts. Strange that his K numbers are so much worse at home. On the road his K/BB are almost even. 

Headley is hitting the pee out of the ball. 

http://tinyurl.com/32b3ho&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-44550"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>48: Michael Johnson. If Mike Thompson could hit like that he&#8217;d be a tremendous asset, 12th pitcher, LH pinch-hitter. </p>
<p>Very good numbers for him so far, but he&#8217;s on pace for about 140 strikeouts. Strange that his K numbers are so much worse at home. On the road his K/BB are almost even. </p>
<p>Headley is hitting the pee out of the ball. </p>
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		<title>By: LynchMob</title>
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		<dc:creator>LynchMob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 00:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stansberry and Cust with HR's today in a game up in rainy Portland that it doesn't look like they'll get completed ... http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&#38;t=g_box&#38;gid=2007_05_02_slcaaa_poraaa_1&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-44549"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stansberry and Cust with HR&#8217;s today in a game up in rainy Portland that it doesn&#8217;t look like they&#8217;ll get completed &#8230; <a href="http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&amp;t=g_box&amp;gid=2007_05_02_slcaaa_poraaa_1" rel="nofollow">http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_poraaa_1</a>
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