Comments on: Good Isn’t Good Enough http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html Blogging the San Diego Padres baseball club. Established 1997. Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:19:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Rasurx http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-46116 Rasurx Fri, 11 May 2007 23:41:20 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-46116 Rayner Contreras, Pablo Menchaca, Luis Durango, Javis Diaz and a few other young Latino ballplayers are names you don't quite often hear about. Why? Because they weren't part of the over hyped June "Draft". These are talented prospects that sign for less than what the 30th round players would sign for! Yet, they get pushed aside, overlooked, unrecognized and more importantly pushed down the system in order to make room for the true "prospects" that Grady and the Padres deem worthy of $$million of dollars to sign. ie. Luis Durango was awarded the Batting champion title in the Rookie AZL league in 2006. How do the Padres reward him? They leave him in extended spring training instead of promoting him to Low A- Fort Wayne. Pablo Menchaca has pitched close to 30 innings and allowed only 3 runs, but he remains in extended as well. lThey claim they have more investment in the players like Jared Wells, Matt Bush and other players that may have competed well in high school and college, but should be playing in the rookie league so they can raise their stats. l. I think the article in the San Diego Union tribune (4/15/07) summed it well. No other major league club has fewer Hispanic players than the Padres. That's sad, considering they're located 10 mnutes from the largest border to Mexico. Somethings never change. As long as the Padres spend more money on the draftees, the system will continue to benefit U.S born players from American schools than the Latino prospects that come from the school of hard knocks in third world countries.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-46116">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Rayner Contreras, Pablo Menchaca, Luis Durango, Javis Diaz and a few other young Latino ballplayers are names you don’t quite often hear about. Why? Because they weren’t part of the over hyped June “Draft”. These are talented prospects that sign for less than what the 30th round players would sign for! Yet, they get pushed aside, overlooked, unrecognized and more importantly pushed down the system in order to make room for the true “prospects” that Grady and the Padres deem worthy of $$million of dollars to sign. ie. Luis Durango was awarded the Batting champion title in the Rookie AZL league in 2006. How do the Padres reward him? They leave him in extended spring training instead of promoting him to Low A- Fort Wayne. Pablo Menchaca has pitched close to 30 innings and allowed only 3 runs, but he remains in extended as well. lThey claim they have more investment in the players like Jared Wells, Matt Bush and other players that may have competed well in high school and college, but should be playing in the rookie league so they can raise their stats. l. I think the article in the San Diego Union tribune (4/15/07) summed it well. No other major league club has fewer Hispanic players than the Padres. That’s sad, considering they’re located 10 mnutes from the largest border to Mexico. Somethings never change. As long as the Padres spend more money on the draftees, the system will continue to benefit U.S born players from American schools than the Latino prospects that come from the school of hard knocks in third world countries.

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]]> By: Peter Friberg http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45703 Peter Friberg Wed, 09 May 2007 22:48:52 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45703 Re 13 & 15: Each of the top 10 picks in the 2006 draft received more than $2 million as did Ian Kennedy (from the Yankees @ 21). And other than Adam Ottavino (from the Cardinals @ #30) each of the top 33 received more than $1m. So if we put all that together and if the Padres are offering $1m+ it's consistent with what Latos would get in the late 20's or early 30's (about where he would probably be selected). If he wants $2m+, he needs to be drafted top 10 - that won't happen. I still think Latos has the Padres are over the barrel a bit and that Latos can hold out for something in the $1.5m range. Obviously we do not know exactly what the Padres offer is nor do we know what Latos and his "advisor" are asking for. However, I cannot see a situation where the advisor would recommend holding out for more than $1.5m if the Padres offered it ($1.5m is consistent with a 16-20 pick).<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-45703">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Re 13 & 15:

Each of the top 10 picks in the 2006 draft received more than $2 million as did Ian Kennedy (from the Yankees @ 21). And other than Adam Ottavino (from the Cardinals @ #30) each of the top 33 received more than $1m.

So if we put all that together and if the Padres are offering $1m+ it’s consistent with what Latos would get in the late 20’s or early 30’s (about where he would probably be selected). If he wants $2m+, he needs to be drafted top 10 - that won’t happen.

I still think Latos has the Padres are over the barrel a bit and that Latos can hold out for something in the $1.5m range. Obviously we do not know exactly what the Padres offer is nor do we know what Latos and his “advisor” are asking for. However, I cannot see a situation where the advisor would recommend holding out for more than $1.5m if the Padres offered it ($1.5m is consistent with a 16-20 pick).

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]]> By: The Fathers http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45702 The Fathers Wed, 09 May 2007 22:41:55 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45702 Re 13 and 15. It is May 9. If it gets down to 5 minutes before the deadline for signing him and they are still $1 million apart, then I will be concerned. Until then, it is all negotiation bluster.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-45702">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Re 13 and 15. It is May 9. If it gets down to 5 minutes before the deadline for signing him and they are still $1 million apart, then I will be concerned. Until then, it is all negotiation bluster.

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]]> By: Brian G. http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45701 Brian G. Wed, 09 May 2007 22:35:01 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45701 Sorry to bum people out about Dave Roberts but he was so badly injured that he homered today. To brighten your spirits, the Giants still lost to the Mets 5-3. They are still reporting that he has 'floating bone chips' and may still have surgery this season.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-45701">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Sorry to bum people out about Dave Roberts but he was so badly injured that he homered today.

To brighten your spirits, the Giants still lost to the Mets 5-3.

They are still reporting that he has ‘floating bone chips’ and may still have surgery this season.

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]]> By: Clayton http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45694 Clayton Wed, 09 May 2007 20:15:20 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45694 13 - I saw that, and it was fairly dismaying. In my opinion, the club should start treating him as an extra first rounder this year that they happen to need to negotiate a deal with before the draft. Stop all this nonsense about a slight bump above what round he was drafted in - act like he's a #1 pick and get 'er done!<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-45694">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 13 - I saw that, and it was fairly dismaying. In my opinion, the club should start treating him as an extra first rounder this year that they happen to need to negotiate a deal with before the draft. Stop all this nonsense about a slight bump above what round he was drafted in - act like he’s a #1 pick and get ‘er done!

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]]> By: Steve C http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45691 Steve C Wed, 09 May 2007 19:44:00 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45691 Re: 8 wow I cant belive "Iron Dave" went down<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-45691">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Re: 8 wow I cant belive “Iron Dave” went down

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]]> By: Bruce http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45690 Bruce Wed, 09 May 2007 19:43:25 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45690 Anyone else troubled by the fact that the Padres and Latos are 1 million apart according to today's UT? Either than means the Pads have low balled him with an initial offer around 500-750K, or Latos is demanding close to 2 million. I somehow doubt the latter case, especially when the article mentions that the Pads are willing to offer him in excess of 1+ million. Hopefully yesterday's little visit will spurn the talks, but this is not the time to pass on someone with his talent.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-45690">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Anyone else troubled by the fact that the Padres and Latos are 1 million apart according to today’s UT? Either than means the Pads have low balled him with an initial offer around 500-750K, or Latos is demanding close to 2 million. I somehow doubt the latter case, especially when the article mentions that the Pads are willing to offer him in excess of 1+ million. Hopefully yesterday’s little visit will spurn the talks, but this is not the time to pass on someone with his talent.

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]]> By: KRS1 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45688 KRS1 Wed, 09 May 2007 19:09:30 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45688 So is Germano going to be exposed to waivers if we try to send him back down after Hensley is of the DL? Would we keep him around in the bullpen for long relief instead of trying to get him through to remain a starter in AAA?<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-45688">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> So is Germano going to be exposed to waivers if we try to send him back down after Hensley is of the DL? Would we keep him around in the bullpen for long relief instead of trying to get him through to remain a starter in AAA?

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]]> By: Geoff Young http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45685 Geoff Young Wed, 09 May 2007 18:54:56 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45685 #9: It's very possible, though I hesitate to reach any conclusions after just one start. The guy he replaced, Hensley, was a late bloomer as well. FWIW, here are Germano's game logs from 2006: http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/pl/430/430683logp06.html Like Hensley, he serves up plenty of grounders. I'd say "wait-and-see" for now, but he's worth watching. At the very least, Germano is demonstrating the importance of organizational depth when a system features few potential impact players.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-45685">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #9: It’s very possible, though I hesitate to reach any conclusions after just one start. The guy he replaced, Hensley, was a late bloomer as well.

FWIW, here are Germano’s game logs from 2006:

http://www.minorleaguesplits.c.....ogp06.html

Like Hensley, he serves up plenty of grounders. I’d say “wait-and-see” for now, but he’s worth watching. At the very least, Germano is demonstrating the importance of organizational depth when a system features few potential impact players.

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]]> By: Didi http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45682 Didi Wed, 09 May 2007 18:19:43 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/05/good-isnt-good-enough.html#comment-45682 #1: Sounds like a very good idea. #6: LOL.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-45682">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #1: Sounds like a very good idea.

#6: LOL.

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