Comments on: Gonzalez, Greene Ruin Big Unit’s Return

Comments on: Gonzalez, Greene Ruin Big Unit’s Return http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html Blogging the San Diego Padres baseball club. Established 1997. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:37:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Phantom http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43082 Phantom Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:20:42 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43082 8: Agreed. I think that Khalil get's tagged with a "flashy average" rating for two reasons: 1) When he makes a difficult play, it usually makes a highlight somewhere and looks definitively flashy. 2) Khalil's fielding percentage is near the middle of the pack. However, it's important to note that Khalil gets to many more balls than an average SS, thus raising the amount of chances he has. This ends up hurting his overall fielding percentage, as his numerator doesn't increase as quickly as his denominator (As I understand it, fielding percentage is successful plays over chances).<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-43082">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 8: Agreed. I think that Khalil get’s tagged with a “flashy average” rating for two reasons:

1) When he makes a difficult play, it usually makes a highlight somewhere and looks definitively flashy.

2) Khalil’s fielding percentage is near the middle of the pack. However, it’s important to note that Khalil gets to many more balls than an average SS, thus raising the amount of chances he has. This ends up hurting his overall fielding percentage, as his numerator doesn’t increase as quickly as his denominator (As I understand it, fielding percentage is successful plays over chances).

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]]> By: Anthony http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43080 Anthony Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:18:32 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43080 8: You could argue that Kouzmanoff is also proving the scouts wrong. I think Khalil gets the "flashy but average at best" rap because he doesn't look like the stereotype of a good defensive SS (small and/or Latin) and he makes flashy plays. As the BPro profile says, he makes up for lack of foot speed with good instincts and positioning. Watching Padre games I rarely find myself thinking he should have gotten to a ball that he missed. Several players have noted the immaculate infield at Petco. I wonder how much that factors into these guys being better than the scouts predicted?<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-43080">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 8: You could argue that Kouzmanoff is also proving the scouts wrong.

I think Khalil gets the “flashy but average at best” rap because he doesn’t look like the stereotype of a good defensive SS (small and/or Latin) and he makes flashy plays. As the BPro profile says, he makes up for lack of foot speed with good instincts and positioning. Watching Padre games I rarely find myself thinking he should have gotten to a ball that he missed.

Several players have noted the immaculate infield at Petco. I wonder how much that factors into these guys being better than the scouts predicted?

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]]> By: Geoff Young http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43079 Geoff Young Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:43:54 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43079 #7: I'll take a stab at this one and point out that the scouts were wrong. Both players have proven capable of playing their position at the big-league level. They may not be the best defensively (Greene is better than "flashy" average from where I sit), but they've already proven the scouts wrong.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-43079">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> #7: I’ll take a stab at this one and point out that the scouts were wrong. Both players have proven capable of playing their position at the big-league level. They may not be the best defensively (Greene is better than “flashy” average from where I sit), but they’ve already proven the scouts wrong.

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]]> By: Coronado Mike http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43077 Coronado Mike Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:31:20 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43077 Peter...Re: 5...is it a stretch to say that those scouts were not that far off of Barfield and Greene? Barfield is below average and Greene is a "Flashy" average.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-43077">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Peter…Re: 5…is it a stretch to say that those scouts were not that far off of Barfield and Greene? Barfield is below average and Greene is a “Flashy” average.

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]]> By: Anthony http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43076 Anthony Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:22:11 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43076 Marc Normandin at BPro has a very positive player profile of Khalil Greene: http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6148 Key points: He's an above average fielder, very good hitter on the road, needs to draw more walks and so far this year is hitting much better at Petco.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-43076">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Marc Normandin at BPro has a very positive player profile of Khalil Greene:
http://baseballprospectus.com/.....cleid=6148

Key points: He’s an above average fielder, very good hitter on the road, needs to draw more walks and so far this year is hitting much better at Petco.

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]]> By: Peter Friberg http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43074 Peter Friberg Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:59:58 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43074 FOLLOW UP on my draft preview segment: I exchanged e-mails with Jim Callis at Baseball America and he said that only Cozack and Worth project to have enough defense to remain shortstops. (Don't forget however, experts said Barfield couldn't stay at 2B and Greene wouldn't play well enough D to stay at SS.)<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-43074">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> FOLLOW UP on my draft preview segment:

I exchanged e-mails with Jim Callis at Baseball America and he said that only Cozack and Worth project to have enough defense to remain shortstops.

(Don’t forget however, experts said Barfield couldn’t stay at 2B and Greene wouldn’t play well enough D to stay at SS.)

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]]> By: Peter Friberg http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43073 Peter Friberg Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:57:43 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43073 Alan, your question makes sense, but that's why he was a "draft and follow" and not a top round draft pick... He could develop into more than that, but lets think about how rare it is for a minor league pitcher to become even a #3 MLB starter... That's not a bad thing.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-43073">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Alan, your question makes sense, but that’s why he was a “draft and follow” and not a top round draft pick… He could develop into more than that, but lets think about how rare it is for a minor league pitcher to become even a #3 MLB starter… That’s not a bad thing.

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]]> By: flash http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43072 flash Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:20:24 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43072 1: I noticed that last night from Greene too. I remember thinking it looked like he was tapping his trigger foot a lot like OG does. With the frequency he changes his stance, not sure how much longer we'll see it though. Nice to see him with a great road trip so far.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-43072">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> 1: I noticed that last night from Greene too. I remember thinking it looked like he was tapping his trigger foot a lot like OG does. With the frequency he changes his stance, not sure how much longer we’ll see it though. Nice to see him with a great road trip so far.

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]]> By: Alan http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43070 Alan Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:08:54 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43070 Peter, Love the recaps of the minors. But isn't it a bit early to put a ceiling on anyone that throws 96 and is in Low A (referring to Miller)? What else does he throw?<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-43070">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Peter,

Love the recaps of the minors. But isn’t it a bit early to put a ceiling on anyone that throws 96 and is in Low A (referring to Miller)? What else does he throw?

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]]> By: PM http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43069 PM Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:08:37 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2007/04/gonzalez-greene-ruin-big-units-return.html#comment-43069 Is it my imagination or has Green changed to a more active stance in the batter's box? Instead of standing like a tooth pick waiting for a bus, his knees are more bent and he has a more active trigger foot. His plate coverage was great last night. Whatever the changes, if any, hope he keeps it up. Yeah even the Yankee/ Redsock Sports Network, mysteriously referred to as ESPN, could not resist to two oldest starting pitchers in the hister of MLB story, despite the fact that it involved, yawn, the NL West, wherever the hell that was, and two expansion teams. Glad we won.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-43069">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Is it my imagination or has Green changed to a more active stance in the batter’s box? Instead of standing like a tooth pick waiting for a bus, his knees are more bent and he has a more active trigger foot. His plate coverage was great last night. Whatever the changes, if any, hope he keeps it up. Yeah even the Yankee/ Redsock Sports Network, mysteriously referred to as ESPN, could not resist to two oldest starting pitchers in the hister of MLB story, despite the fact that it involved, yawn, the NL West, wherever the hell that was, and two expansion teams. Glad we won.

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