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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin Towers said the Padres are looking for a manager with experience at the big-league level but not necessarily as a manager; who has been with a winning ballclub; is open-minded about the trend of using computer data to analyze players; and believes in the farm system and developing young players.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-31135"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: 12

While Law may have predicted the Padres to beat the Cardinals (I think), he also said Bochy was a glaring weakness for the Padres. So to point that out again after the series isn't second-guessing. It's saying I told you so.

Again, the Tigers were the smart pick in the World Series in every conceivable way. I'm tired of everyone saying the Cardinals proved the pundits wrong. The pundits have a job to do and they did it do the best of their ability. So do the Cardinals, and they did the same. In fact, they played over their ability. That's why it's called an "upset." An 83-win team beat a 95-win team. For someone to predict that would be insane.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-31133"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: 12</p>
<p>While Law may have predicted the Padres to beat the Cardinals (I think), he also said Bochy was a glaring weakness for the Padres. So to point that out again after the series isn&#8217;t second-guessing. It&#8217;s saying I told you so.</p>
<p>Again, the Tigers were the smart pick in the World Series in every conceivable way. I&#8217;m tired of everyone saying the Cardinals proved the pundits wrong. The pundits have a job to do and they did it do the best of their ability. So do the Cardinals, and they did the same. In fact, they played over their ability. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s called an &#8220;upset.&#8221; An 83-win team beat a 95-win team. For someone to predict that would be insane.
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get the feeling T Gwynn enjoys the life he has now and has no desire to get back into the major league grind.  And as much as everyone loves Tony in San Diego I've never heard anyone talk about how he would be a great manager.  Maybe the pre-Petco Padres would have tried to get him to manage, just to get some fans out to the park.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-31132"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get the feeling T Gwynn enjoys the life he has now and has no desire to get back into the major league grind.  And as much as everyone loves Tony in San Diego I&#8217;ve never heard anyone talk about how he would be a great manager.  Maybe the pre-Petco Padres would have tried to get him to manage, just to get some fans out to the park.
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		<title>By: Steve from Boston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve from Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question:  In the UT article they mentioned Tony Gwynn as saying he wasn't going to be interviewing for the job.  Which I can understand.  But is there a feeling in San Diego that he will be manager at some point?  Kinda like a feeling like Tony Gwynn Jr. will be a Padre at some point?  (a "should" type of "will", you know?)

Anyways, what's the impression that you guys get?  It's hard for me to get an impression on things like this being all the way out here in Wicked fa'hr Beantown.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-31130"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question:  In the UT article they mentioned Tony Gwynn as saying he wasn&#8217;t going to be interviewing for the job.  Which I can understand.  But is there a feeling in San Diego that he will be manager at some point?  Kinda like a feeling like Tony Gwynn Jr. will be a Padre at some point?  (a &#8220;should&#8221; type of &#8220;will&#8221;, you know?)</p>
<p>Anyways, what&#8217;s the impression that you guys get?  It&#8217;s hard for me to get an impression on things like this being all the way out here in Wicked fa&#8217;hr Beantown.
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		<title>By: Peter Friberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Friberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big KT (and others),

Writers did not predict 77 wins. Las Vegas didn't even predict 77 wins. Las Vegas set the Over/Under on the Padres 2006 win total @ 77. Keep in mind, Vegas has not desire to be accurate. Their desire is to split the margain. If too many people take the under or the over, they'll lose money. They want 50% of the bets on each side. 

We can all agree that San Diego is dismissed by a large percentage of the baseball audience (fans, writers, probably even non-Padre players). That Vegas set the over/under at 77 it reflected where they thought they could get the best margin. 

Likewise (or maybe "conversely" is a better word), when Vegas set the over/under on the Yankee win total, I would expect them to set the total artificially high because so many are overly-optimistic about the Bombers' chances every year...

Re 8&#38;9: I don't think Bochy's departure will hurt our ability to attract free agents. Bochy has long been regarded as a great manager to play for, but FA's consistently go where the money is rather than follow their favorite managers around... Bochy's presence didn't help us much in attracting free agents, why should his departure hurt us?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-31129"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big KT (and others),</p>
<p>Writers did not predict 77 wins. Las Vegas didn&#8217;t even predict 77 wins. Las Vegas set the Over/Under on the Padres 2006 win total @ 77. Keep in mind, Vegas has not desire to be accurate. Their desire is to split the margain. If too many people take the under or the over, they&#8217;ll lose money. They want 50% of the bets on each side. </p>
<p>We can all agree that San Diego is dismissed by a large percentage of the baseball audience (fans, writers, probably even non-Padre players). That Vegas set the over/under at 77 it reflected where they thought they could get the best margin. </p>
<p>Likewise (or maybe &#8220;conversely&#8221; is a better word), when Vegas set the over/under on the Yankee win total, I would expect them to set the total artificially high because so many are overly-optimistic about the Bombers&#8217; chances every year&#8230;</p>
<p>Re 8&amp;9: I don&#8217;t think Bochy&#8217;s departure will hurt our ability to attract free agents. Bochy has long been regarded as a great manager to play for, but FA&#8217;s consistently go where the money is rather than follow their favorite managers around&#8230; Bochy&#8217;s presence didn&#8217;t help us much in attracting free agents, why should his departure hurt us?
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		<title>By: BigKTfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigKTfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Kevin, I am not obsessed with pointing out "that writers are sometimes wrong." OK, maybe I am a little. I guess I was also a little offended by Law saying that if he were GM, he wouldn't let Bochy "on the plane ride home" (after the Cards won). Bochy busted his butt all year dealing with 40 diverse personalities on and off the field, day in and day out, and he guided his team to 88 wins (the same team that was predicted by writers to win 77). It seemed to me that Law was insinuating that Bochy's moves had cost the Pads, and that he could have done better. This after the fact, of course. 

I felt obligated --- because I am a Bochy fan ---  to point out that when Law had a chance to demonstrate his expertise beforehand, based on his knowledge, that he was not only wrong, he was dead wrong. Hindsight always seems to come a little easier than foresight.

And why are you so sensitive about a little criticism regarding writers? What, are you a former writer or something? 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Kevin, I am not obsessed with pointing out &#8220;that writers are sometimes wrong.&#8221; OK, maybe I am a little. I guess I was also a little offended by Law saying that if he were GM, he wouldn&#8217;t let Bochy &#8220;on the plane ride home&#8221; (after the Cards won). Bochy busted his butt all year dealing with 40 diverse personalities on and off the field, day in and day out, and he guided his team to 88 wins (the same team that was predicted by writers to win 77). It seemed to me that Law was insinuating that Bochy&#8217;s moves had cost the Pads, and that he could have done better. This after the fact, of course. </p>
<p>I felt obligated &#8212; because I am a Bochy fan &#8212;  to point out that when Law had a chance to demonstrate his expertise beforehand, based on his knowledge, that he was not only wrong, he was dead wrong. Hindsight always seems to come a little easier than foresight.</p>
<p>And why are you so sensitive about a little criticism regarding writers? What, are you a former writer or something? </p>
<p>Just kidding.
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		<title>By: Vinay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One potentially important factor is salary.  I haven't seen Geoff mention it in his entries, but it may have come up in the comments, so I apologize in advance if I'm repeating ground here.

Supposedly, Alderson doesn't think Bochy is worth $1.9M (or more) per season.  Which is different from saying that he doesn't want him as a manager.  But if Alderson feels he doesn't want to pay Bochy what he's making now, he's in a tough spot; he won't want to extend him, it makes no sense to fire him, and it'd be tough to leave him hanging around as a lame duck.  Letting him walk makes the most sense, [i]if[/i] you believe you can find a manager who is practically as good for ~$1M/yr.  Which apparently Alderson believes.  I'm not sure.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-31127"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One potentially important factor is salary.  I haven&#8217;t seen Geoff mention it in his entries, but it may have come up in the comments, so I apologize in advance if I&#8217;m repeating ground here.</p>
<p>Supposedly, Alderson doesn&#8217;t think Bochy is worth $1.9M (or more) per season.  Which is different from saying that he doesn&#8217;t want him as a manager.  But if Alderson feels he doesn&#8217;t want to pay Bochy what he&#8217;s making now, he&#8217;s in a tough spot; he won&#8217;t want to extend him, it makes no sense to fire him, and it&#8217;d be tough to leave him hanging around as a lame duck.  Letting him walk makes the most sense, [i]if[/i] you believe you can find a manager who is practically as good for ~$1M/yr.  Which apparently Alderson believes.  I&#8217;m not sure.
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		<title>By: BigKTfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigKTfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE 9: loyalty

They might be referring to the fact that Bochy was with the Pads for 24 years, Alderson 2(?). When you win back-to-back division titles and you have one year left on your contract, it might be nice to hear a little more than "you're free to look for another job." They did take him to a nice restaurant, though.

As for Alderson's role in the back-to-back division titles, the events of the past weeks have shown that in fact management felt Bochy was not giving their ideas a big enough chance, so most of the credit has to go to Bochy for the winning seasons. Of course, Towers made some good moves, and Moores and SA have put the wheels in motion (Depodesta, Smith, Dom. Repub. farm system) to build a perennial champ. Much more so than this year, next year and the years after are when Alderson will be responsible for the team's record. 

The UT article about KT confronting Nevin was very telling. Nevin is a known whiner and mama's boy who had enormous potential but had let his attitude get in the way of his stays with Det. and Anaheim (remember we got him for Japanese league superstar Andy Sheets). Nevin began producing after arriving in SD, so Bochy's way of handling him seemed to be working. Nevertheless, Nevin's capricious ways lingered and KT felt Nevin needed to be dealt with more firmly than Bochy was willing or felt necessary to do. Not that KT wasn't correct, but I'm guessing Bochy thought that his everyday guidance and the example he set for his players would eventually wear off on Nevin. When you have a volatile player, confrontation oftens only leads to more confrontation, and then it's human nature to start taking sides. That's the last thing you want on any team. 

Side note: I couldn't believe how much smaller Nevin looked up close in spring training (2 years ago) than in previous years. Did anyone else notice this?&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-31126"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE 9: loyalty</p>
<p>They might be referring to the fact that Bochy was with the Pads for 24 years, Alderson 2(?). When you win back-to-back division titles and you have one year left on your contract, it might be nice to hear a little more than &#8220;you&#8217;re free to look for another job.&#8221; They did take him to a nice restaurant, though.</p>
<p>As for Alderson&#8217;s role in the back-to-back division titles, the events of the past weeks have shown that in fact management felt Bochy was not giving their ideas a big enough chance, so most of the credit has to go to Bochy for the winning seasons. Of course, Towers made some good moves, and Moores and SA have put the wheels in motion (Depodesta, Smith, Dom. Repub. farm system) to build a perennial champ. Much more so than this year, next year and the years after are when Alderson will be responsible for the team&#8217;s record. </p>
<p>The UT article about KT confronting Nevin was very telling. Nevin is a known whiner and mama&#8217;s boy who had enormous potential but had let his attitude get in the way of his stays with Det. and Anaheim (remember we got him for Japanese league superstar Andy Sheets). Nevin began producing after arriving in SD, so Bochy&#8217;s way of handling him seemed to be working. Nevertheless, Nevin&#8217;s capricious ways lingered and KT felt Nevin needed to be dealt with more firmly than Bochy was willing or felt necessary to do. Not that KT wasn&#8217;t correct, but I&#8217;m guessing Bochy thought that his everyday guidance and the example he set for his players would eventually wear off on Nevin. When you have a volatile player, confrontation oftens only leads to more confrontation, and then it&#8217;s human nature to start taking sides. That&#8217;s the last thing you want on any team. </p>
<p>Side note: I couldn&#8217;t believe how much smaller Nevin looked up close in spring training (2 years ago) than in previous years. Did anyone else notice this?
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of loyalty, I don't understand the guys talking about a lack of loyalty with regard to Alderson.  Bochy would be the guy who showed a lack of loyalty by electing to quit his job and seek greener pastures.  I'm not saying he shouldn't have done so or that I fault him for it, but if people are going to bring up loyalty, I can't understand how that wouldn't be the way in which they adress it.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-31125"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of loyalty, I don&#8217;t understand the guys talking about a lack of loyalty with regard to Alderson.  Bochy would be the guy who showed a lack of loyalty by electing to quit his job and seek greener pastures.  I&#8217;m not saying he shouldn&#8217;t have done so or that I fault him for it, but if people are going to bring up loyalty, I can&#8217;t understand how that wouldn&#8217;t be the way in which they adress it.
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That little bit about Bochy and Towers surprised me, I'd hope we get the full story on that in the future. 

The comments by the players, while not surprising, does worry me. Does this move affect the Padres ability to sign or resign veteran players because they might perceive this as a lack of loyalty, not to mention players loved Boch.&lt;p class="top-comments"&gt;Current score: &lt;span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-31123"&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That little bit about Bochy and Towers surprised me, I&#8217;d hope we get the full story on that in the future. </p>
<p>The comments by the players, while not surprising, does worry me. Does this move affect the Padres ability to sign or resign veteran players because they might perceive this as a lack of loyalty, not to mention players loved Boch.
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