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Perhaps you could compare the upkeep on your house to the upkeep on a building like the ballpark, but the Padres pay for that already out of the revenues they bring in as a result of their business. Oops, analogy fails again.

re 62: If fans expected more than what they were actually promised, who is responsible for such unreasonable expectations? The fans themselves and not the Padres. If a fan used the 1998 payroll in relation to other team’s payroll as a baseline for determining how they would vote on Prop C, then that fan was a fool.

Believe it or not, most people who voted on Prop C do not attend baseball games. They had many motivations to vote for or against the measure, one of which included keeping the Padres in San Diego. Another was the prospect for redevelopment of a dilapidated area. If people had irrational motivations for voting for or against Prop C, well, you can’t take away someone’s vote just because they vote for or against something for the wrong reason.

What is the $400 million number about? I am pretty sure the City’s contribution was around $200-250 million, and the bonds floated to pay for that contribution could be repaid faster than expected due to far more development happening in that area than was foreseen, were it not for the fact that the extra money being brought in is being siphoned off to try to address the City’s budget woes. All that does anyone is give the City ownership of most of the stadium, and a right to receive revenue from certain events. No more, no less. Besides, unless you stay in a hotel or pay property tax in the redevelopment area, the City’s share has not been passed onto you.

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If I don’t do those things (all involve spending money) my house will fall into disrepair…my house would not be very appealing…I would not be able to convince my friends to come to dinner…the idea that they would come to dinner just because I live in Coronado would not fly. “Your house is a dump CM, why would we want to spend our money on $3.50 gas to drive out to your 80 year old house that you don’t invest enough to take care of?”

Am I “losing money”…sure am…Thousands of dollars each month…but the bank seems to think that I made money on the deal. They keep saying that I am better off than I was last year.

Maybe I should just look at my wife and say, nah…I have spent enough. I am not going to do it anymore. I really did not mean to tell you that we could afford to own a house in Coronado…We are losing so much money each month, we are going poor. Sure, we own a house in Coronado, but we are losing money…we must be poor.

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Also agree with you on the off-season wise spending.

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Steve: I’ve never been really upset with Moores and his spending outside of the Matt Bush draft. KT (deserved or not) is one of the higher paid GM’s in the business and I’m not sure on actual figures but I doubt bringing in people like Alderson and Gayton was a very cheap thing to do. I do question some decisons he’s made and things like that but I think our payroll is pretty much in line with our market. I will be mad if in the off-season they don’t make a play at a top teir free agent. I’m not talking about throwing $100 million at Soriano I’m talking about trying to wisely get some key pieces with the flexibility they will gain.

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Voters in 1998 couldn’t use 2002 or 2003 payrolls as the baseline for their expectations.

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The Dodgers and the Giants are outspending the Padres and yet the Padres are only 1/2 game behind the Dodgers. Spending money doesn’t equate better team not better record. Spending money wisely and being lucky in getting valuable contributing players is what gives better chance at winning.

The fact of the matter is the Padres do spend money. Some money are tied up with players like Klesko and Chan Ho Park, one of which is contributing nothing to the success of the team. Getting a talented bunch of young players like Barfield, Gonzales, Greene, Johnson and veterans like Roberts, Cameron, Piazza to contribute is what keeps the Padres from having a losing record.

Yes, I’d like to see them more successful. Having gone into the season with Vinny Castilla as the starting 3B without a viable backup was not a good decision. However, spending money just to bring a 3B is not a wise move either. As the Betemit trade that never happened, we’d never know what was going on behind the scene, would we? What did the Braves want from the Padres?
By the way, that trade would not have involved spending lots of money.

And by the way, the Dodgers was 1-13 before the current winning streak, so in essence they’ve been playing .500 ball since ASB.
The fact that the Padres couldn’t pull away doesn’t prove that the Dodgers is a better team. They actually needed that winning streak to catch up to the Padres.

Yeah, this team needs to get in gear and starts winning. Being behind by 1/2 game after having a losing record since the ASB is not bad and their luck should turn around.

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Since it is not my money, as a Padre fan, I would love if Moores pulled all of his many millions out of his development projects and charitable endeavors and gave the Padres $150 million payrolls as long as he could until all of his funds were exhausted, just so that I could witness the other teams in the NL West being crushed for a few years. The other teams’ owners would have to promise that they wouldn’t also take their own vast personal fortunes and similar put money into their teams. Then Moores could sell his team to an even wealthier person to repeat the process.

However, since it is not my money, I have no right to demand that Moores put one further penny of his own money into the team. Baseball brings in enough money on its own to pay the exorbitant salaries to its players, so I am not in favor of owners meddling in that. The Padres bring in enough revenue to be self-sufficient and competetive three years straight. God forbid that a business run itself as such.

As a ticket buying fan, I would like them to spend the money that I provide them efficiently and effectively. They currently appear to be spending all or nearly all of the money that they are bringing in, whether they are doing it as I would hope is iffy. Since I love the game, I probably won’t punish them if they don’t. I’ll still keep going unless I feel I am being defrauded.

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We will obviously never agree on the subject, its just intesting seeing his responces they seem very well though out.

But I still think he works for moores. Let me know if im wrong (with the exception of fathers) but I would think 99 out of 100 Padre fans feel the way I do on the subject and I couldn’t see any of them defending moores to this extent unless they had a vested intrest in it.

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