Comments on: How High Hoffy? http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html Blogging the San Diego Padres baseball club. Established 1997. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:02:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Richard Brian Wade http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13016 Richard Brian Wade Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:05:01 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13016 MC: Good points on Armas. It's also worth noting that Colorado depresses strikeouts. <p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-13016">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> MC: Good points on Armas. It’s also worth noting that Colorado depresses strikeouts.

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]]> By: Medea's Child http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13015 Medea's Child Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:21:15 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13015 Geoff, I mentioned Hidalgo, White and even Eduardo Perez because with Klesko (and with Giles apparently staying), I think it would be a good idea to have a RH 1B/OF type. Armas is a risk, but he can't be a bigger risk than Miller (who I did think was a good gamble). Armas is always nicked up, but we KNEW Miller had a rotator cuff problem and opted for rehab over surgery. There's no way Armas is a bigger risk than that. The key is price. You're not sure Kim has anything left? Look again. He had 4.86 ERA in Coors. He struck out 115 batters in 148 innings. 17 homers allowed in that many innings doesn't seem horrible for a Colorado pitcher. His control deteriorated (71 BB, 14 HBP, 11 WP), but he's only 27 years old and there are a fair amount of positives. I wouldn't long term him, but I'd give the guy a shot. http://www.baseballreference.com/k/kimby01.shtml (In fact, until I looked it up, I didn't even realize he'd done as well as he had. I may have to take a good look at him in several leagues depending on where he ends up) Medea's Child<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-13015">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Geoff,

I mentioned Hidalgo, White and even Eduardo Perez because with Klesko (and with Giles apparently staying), I think it would be a good idea to have a RH 1B/OF type.

Armas is a risk, but he can’t be a bigger risk than Miller (who I did think was a good gamble). Armas is always nicked up, but we KNEW Miller had a rotator cuff problem and opted for rehab over surgery. There’s no way Armas is a bigger risk than that. The key is price.

You’re not sure Kim has anything left? Look again. He had 4.86 ERA in Coors. He struck out 115 batters in 148 innings. 17 homers allowed in that many innings doesn’t seem horrible for a Colorado pitcher. His control deteriorated (71 BB, 14 HBP, 11 WP), but he’s only 27 years old and there are a fair amount of positives. I wouldn’t long term him, but I’d give the guy a shot.

http://www.baseballreference.com/k/kimby01.shtml

(In fact, until I looked it up, I didn’t even realize he’d done as well as he had. I may have to take a good look at him in several leagues depending on where he ends up)

Medea’s Child

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]]> By: Geoff Young http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13014 Geoff Young Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:41:48 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13014 Paul: Thanks for the thoughts. Yeah, with each reliever that signs, it seems less and less likely that Hoffman will return. This market really scares me. MC: Some interesting names on your lists. I've liked Kim in the past but I'm not sure he has anything left. Takatsu isn't a bad idea. His biggest problem last year was keeping the ball in the yard, which is less of a concern at Petco. I'm assuming Wickman will be prohibitively expensive in the current market. Hidalgo is a guy I was advocating last winter. He or Rondell White wouldn't be the worst fallbacks if Giles walks (pun intended). White in particular was a class act in his first tour with the Pads. Armas is a fascinating idea. The guy hasn't been healthy since 2002, but could grabbing him on the cheap be any worse than the Red Sox' signing of Wade Miller last off-season? (Hint: Just because it didn't work out for Boston doesn't mean the logic behind the move was faulty.) Good food for thought...<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-13014">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Paul: Thanks for the thoughts. Yeah, with each reliever that signs, it seems less and less likely that Hoffman will return. This market really scares me.

MC: Some interesting names on your lists. I’ve liked Kim in the past but I’m not sure he has anything left. Takatsu isn’t a bad idea. His biggest problem last year was keeping the ball in the yard, which is less of a concern at Petco. I’m assuming Wickman will be prohibitively expensive in the current market.

Hidalgo is a guy I was advocating last winter. He or Rondell White wouldn’t be the worst fallbacks if Giles walks (pun intended). White in particular was a class act in his first tour with the Pads.

Armas is a fascinating idea. The guy hasn’t been healthy since 2002, but could grabbing him on the cheap be any worse than the Red Sox’ signing of Wade Miller last off-season? (Hint: Just because it didn’t work out for Boston doesn’t mean the logic behind the move was faulty.)

Good food for thought…

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]]> By: Medea's Child http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13013 Medea's Child Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:25:26 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13013 Free Agent Relievers There are some intriuging guys out there. I particularly like, if the price is right (caveat to the below--I'm doing this without looking at stats): Ugueth Urbina (if he'd sign for incentives and is not in jail) Jay Witasick Hector Carrasco Byung-Hyun Kim Shingo Takatsu Rudy Seanez Mike Myers Bob Wickman Shigetoshi Hasegawa (only if the defense figures to be very good) Elmer Dessens (see above) Non bullpen guys I'd gamble on if the price is right: Richard Hidalgo Eli Marrero Rondell White Eduardo Perez Tony Armas, Jr. Numerous utility infielders and backup catchers. Other bullpen guys that might be worth a look at the back of the pen: Jason Christiansen Matt Mantei Scott Sullivan Alan Embree Felix Rodriguez Ricardo Rincon Jeff Nelson Doug Brocail Steve Karsay Tim Worrell Chad Fox Antonio Alfonseca Paul Quantrill Russ Springer Roberto Hernandez Terry Adams Jose Mesa Rick White Chris Hammond Joey Eischen Hope this helps, Medea's Child<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-13013">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Free Agent Relievers

There are some intriuging guys out there. I particularly like, if the price is right (caveat to the below–I’m doing this without looking at stats):

Ugueth Urbina (if he’d sign for incentives and is not in jail)
Jay Witasick
Hector Carrasco
Byung-Hyun Kim
Shingo Takatsu
Rudy Seanez
Mike Myers
Bob Wickman
Shigetoshi Hasegawa (only if the defense figures to be very good)
Elmer Dessens (see above)

Non bullpen guys I’d gamble on if the price is right:
Richard Hidalgo
Eli Marrero
Rondell White
Eduardo Perez
Tony Armas, Jr.
Numerous utility infielders and backup catchers.

Other bullpen guys that might be worth a look at the back of the pen:
Jason Christiansen
Matt Mantei
Scott Sullivan
Alan Embree
Felix Rodriguez
Ricardo Rincon
Jeff Nelson
Doug Brocail
Steve Karsay
Tim Worrell
Chad Fox
Antonio Alfonseca
Paul Quantrill
Russ Springer
Roberto Hernandez
Terry Adams
Jose Mesa
Rick White
Chris Hammond
Joey Eischen

Hope this helps,
Medea’s Child

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]]> By: Paul R http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13012 Paul R Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:58:54 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13012 I agree with Geoff that the bullpen is the place to take inexpensive flyers on high risk, high reward, relatively inexpensive guys. One of the things that Towers has done best in his tenure is fill in pieces that make a solid bullpen. If they can add a Dotel or Fox or Mantei inexpensively, I think that Towers whould probably see if the inflated market for prospects can make Hammond or Otsuka worth more in the trade market than they are to the Padres bullpen. Also, there's no way that the Pad's should go to either 3 years or more than 8mil/year for Hoffy and I don't think that there is much chance that he will sign for less (unless he really wants to be on the same team as his brother).<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-13012">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> I agree with Geoff that the bullpen is the place to take inexpensive flyers on high risk, high reward, relatively inexpensive guys. One of the things that Towers has done best in his tenure is fill in pieces that make a solid bullpen. If they can add a Dotel or Fox or Mantei inexpensively, I think that Towers whould probably see if the inflated market for prospects can make Hammond or Otsuka worth more in the trade market than they are to the Padres bullpen.
Also, there’s no way that the Pad’s should go to either 3 years or more than 8mil/year for Hoffy and I don’t think that there is much chance that he will sign for less (unless he really wants to be on the same team as his brother).

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]]> By: Matthew Thompson http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13011 Matthew Thompson Tue, 29 Nov 2005 22:57:00 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13011 A Yankee friend fan of mine (don't ask) used to refer to the Quantrill - Gordon - Rivera sequence as "Quangormo, the three headed monster." Another friend and I began using "Quanlinehoffy" to refer to, well, you know who. Didn't really work since it was something more akin to Akilinehoffy or something, but whatever. My point being, in a silly little way, I think "Brink" ends the whole thing better. But what would the current version be? Somthing Akibrink. Do I waste too much time thinking about this to not remind myself that we have one number one starter and seven number five starters?<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-13011">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> A Yankee friend fan of mine (don’t ask) used to refer to the Quantrill - Gordon - Rivera sequence as “Quangormo, the three headed monster.” Another friend and I began using “Quanlinehoffy” to refer to, well, you know who. Didn’t really work since it was something more akin to Akilinehoffy or something, but whatever. My point being, in a silly little way, I think “Brink” ends the whole thing better. But what would the current version be? Somthing Akibrink. Do I waste too much time thinking about this to not remind myself that we have one number one starter and seven number five starters?

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]]> By: Geoff Young http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13010 Geoff Young Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:07:49 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13010 Unrelated, Dennis Tankersley has a new home: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2241203&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines Remember when folks were debating whether he or Jake Peavy was the better prospect?<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-13010">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Unrelated, Dennis Tankersley has a new home:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....BHeadlines

Remember when folks were debating whether he or Jake Peavy was the better prospect?

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]]> By: Peter Friberg http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13009 Peter Friberg Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:35:55 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13009 I'm a writer not a speller ;-) Yes "woes" LOL Last year Dotel said he'd play in Oakland for next to nothing in thanks for the way they handled his injury situation. Now that he may be on the market, it is interesting. What I don't want to see, is any non-major signings before Dec. 19 (the day teams have to offer arbitration) it's not that I'm UNWILLING to give up a draft pick, but for a medium-tier player I want to be certain of what's happening before I commit to that.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-13009">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> I’m a writer not a speller ;-)
Yes “woes”

LOL

Last year Dotel said he’d play in Oakland for next to nothing in thanks for the way they handled his injury situation. Now that he may be on the market, it is interesting.

What I don’t want to see, is any non-major signings before Dec. 19 (the day teams have to offer arbitration) it’s not that I’m UNWILLING to give up a draft pick, but for a medium-tier player I want to be certain of what’s happening before I commit to that.

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]]> By: Richard B. Wade http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13008 Richard B. Wade Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:09:40 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13008 You mean "woes," right? Also, I'd like to see Dotel in a Padre uni, too.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-13008">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> You mean “woes,” right?

Also, I’d like to see Dotel in a Padre uni, too.

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]]> By: Peter Friberg http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13007 Peter Friberg Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:24:47 +0000 http://ducksnorts.com/blog/2005/11/how-high-hoffy.html#comment-13007 Can anyone help me out with this? Toronto had 14th worst record, the X worst teams do not lose their 1st round pic regardless of signing free agents or not.. X=13? *** Mantei's injury woos scare me. I like Dotel (a lot).<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-13007">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p> Can anyone help me out with this? Toronto had 14th worst record, the X worst teams do not lose their 1st round pic regardless of signing free agents or not..

X=13?

***

Mantei’s injury woos scare me. I like Dotel (a lot).

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